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Mon Apr 8, 2013, 07:57 AM

Ex-Prime Minister Baroness Thatcher dies

Source: BBC

Former Prime Minister Baroness Thatcher has died at 87 following a stroke, her spokesman has said.

Lord Bell said: "It is with great sadness that Mark and Carol Thatcher announced that their mother Baroness Thatcher died peacefully following a stroke this morning."

Baroness Thatcher was Conservative prime minister from 1979 to 1990.

She was the first woman to hold the post. Her family is expected to make a further statement later.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22067155



Former UK Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher has died from a stroke

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Bosonic Apr 2013 OP
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pipoman Apr 2013 #2
Champion Jack Apr 2013 #3
Ghost of Tom Joad Apr 2013 #78
DainBramaged Apr 2013 #4
Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #5
In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #7
KatyMan Apr 2013 #18
In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #20
KatyMan Apr 2013 #22
In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #24
KatyMan Apr 2013 #25
In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #28
BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2013 #128
Kelvin Mace Apr 2013 #42
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In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #110
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In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #122
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pangaia Apr 2013 #36
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pangaia Apr 2013 #40
Kelvin Mace Apr 2013 #61
Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #62
Kelvin Mace Apr 2013 #63
ButterflyBlood Apr 2013 #89
Kelvin Mace Apr 2013 #102
ButterflyBlood Apr 2013 #114
Kelvin Mace Apr 2013 #115
ButterflyBlood Apr 2013 #66
Beacool Apr 2013 #79
ButterflyBlood Apr 2013 #85
Kelvin Mace Apr 2013 #82
LeftishBrit Apr 2013 #97
devilgrrl Apr 2013 #52
Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #53
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Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #56
devilgrrl Apr 2013 #57
muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #64
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Beacool Apr 2013 #59
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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:03 AM

1. K&R

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:06 AM

3. Roger Ebert, Andy Johns, Les Blank.....

It's one of those weeks

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Response to Champion Jack (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:00 AM

78. Don't forget Milo O'Shea

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:07 AM

4. Just heard

go gently into the night Prime Minister

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:11 AM

5. RIP Mrs Thatcher. Obviously I did not agree with all of her policies,

but give her credit for being the first female Prime Minister. Also, excellent job with the Falklands war.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:24 AM

7. May she rest in peace.

No one is perfect. She did what she could.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #7)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:49 AM

18. Did what she could???

to ruin Britain?? Yes, she did that.

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Response to KatyMan (Reply #18)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:51 AM

20. Do you honestly think that was her desire?

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #20)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:53 AM

22. Yes n/t.

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Response to KatyMan (Reply #22)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:59 AM

24. Really

I was only thinking of her as a human being.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #24)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:00 AM

25. as was I.

Not all human beings are good people. Some are evil.

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Response to KatyMan (Reply #25)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:07 AM

28. I know that better than anyone.

As a survivor, I can show compassion to many but not all.

I am sorry for your troubles in life that her actions cause you.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #28)

Wed Apr 10, 2013, 01:51 PM

128. ..

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #20)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:29 AM

42. Her desire was to enrich the people who bought her

and in that, she succeeded brilliantly.

She may have deluded herself into believing that serving the rich was serving Britain, but her legacy of austerity and dismantling of the social safety net lives on, to the great suffering of millions.

My condolences to her family, but her actions were self-serving and corrosive to society.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #42)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:32 AM

43. Thank you for bringing that to my attention. I truly am sorry for the ones she hurt.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #20)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:28 PM

100. who cares?

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #100)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:04 PM

110. .

Not you. Obviously.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #110)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 03:29 PM

121. Look, I understand the need to find some good in a person who has passed away

I actually share that desire.

But I can look for redeeming qualities in Thatcher but her governance and policies is not where I'd look because I find them abhorrent.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #121)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 03:32 PM

122. Well, I learned quite a bit today that I honestly didn't know before.

So ... now I do agree with you.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #7)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:27 PM

99. to get rid of England's safety net and health care system

she did what she could.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:19 AM

36. Excellent job with the Falklands war! I must disagree.

Can I suggest you may wish to do a little research into that insane little event.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #36)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:22 AM

37. An Argentinian military dictatorship decided to invade British territory,

and got their asses handed to them. As a result of which Mrs Thatcher was re-elected in a landslide victory.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #37)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:27 AM

40. Sort of true.

But maybe dig a little deeper--

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #37)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:33 AM

61. And Britain's claim over the Falklands was

based on what legal principle? Oh yeah, "right of conquest". Pretty much the same reason they are holding on to Northern Ireland.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #61)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:36 AM

62. Should all non-native Americans be forced to leave the USA?

If not, why not?

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #62)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:37 AM

63. Well, yes actually,

unless we are willing to pay the remaining indigenous tribes the fair market value of the land we stole.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #63)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:25 AM

89. There's no one to pay in regards to the Falklands

There are no indigenous inhabitants.

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Response to ButterflyBlood (Reply #89)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:41 PM

102. Then they can pay the Argentine government

And end the matter.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #102)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:28 PM

114. Pre-1982 maybe that'd be a reasonable suggestion

However after seizing them by military force I'm just going to say fuck Argentina in regards to them. They've lost any moral standindg they ever might've had (which I'll dispute). The inhabitants of the Falklands have clearly shown they want to be British and want Argentina to fuck off.

Besides thanks to that the military junta in Argentina was toppled. That alone is something that I consider far more important than whoever governs those islands.

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Response to ButterflyBlood (Reply #114)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:34 PM

115. Somebody needs to be the adult

Yeah, Argentina was wrong to seize the islands, but the question is, does Britain want to end the matter, or continue to leave it dangling? Britain's imperial sins are legion, and it, along with the U.S., do not have clean hands as far as Argentina's military junta is concerned. At this point it is hard to find ANY nation with moral standing, so isn't it time for some of the worst offenders to start behaving morally?

Britain certainly needs to leave Northern Ireland, yet still refuses. At least by paying for the Falklands it would finally have an unambiguous claim.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #61)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:42 AM

66. And what's Argentina's based on?

The Brits do have one solid justification for holding the Falklands, it's quite obvious who the residents of the islands support and want to be governed by.

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Response to ButterflyBlood (Reply #66)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:03 AM

79. The British residents of Las Malvinas wouldn't have even been there

if Britain hadn't taken the islands from Argentina in the mid 19th century. The British were as bad as the Spanish, vultures that took whatever they wanted due to their military power. Look at how the British treated the people of Ireland and India. They committed genocide with impunity for centuries.

As for the Spaniards, they decimated every native tribe that they found in their path (Aztecs, Mayans, Incas, etc.)

A pox on their heads!!!!



BTW, I'm referring to these countries' governments. I have nothing against the people of Spain (heck, I have family there) or Britain.



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Response to Beacool (Reply #79)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:17 AM

85. There have been lots of other territory changes in the last 150 years

Most make no sense to rectify because the current population wouldn't approve. At least on the Falklands there was no genocide because there are no indigenous inhabitants. If you are going to propose rolling back every single territorial change in the last 150 years, there's going to be some far bigger ones than the Falklands.

And that's not even getting started on the absurdity of effectively punishing the Islands' current inhabitants for something over a century old.

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Response to ButterflyBlood (Reply #66)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:14 AM

82. Pretty much the same

But from what I read, the Falklands wasn't inhabited until the British (and later the French) established a colony in the 18th Century.

My personal view is that former imperialist nations should simply return land they stole from other people OR make fair restitution.

In the case of the Falklands, the inhabitants wish to remain in the British Commonwealth. Fine, then PAY Argentina a fair price for the islands and have them sign over the title.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #37)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:13 PM

97. While I have no sympathy for Galtieri et al...

Last edited Mon Apr 8, 2013, 06:48 PM - Edit history (1)

the whole thing might never have happened if our government, specifically John Nott the Defence Secretary, had not announced the withdrawal of our ships from the South Atlantic. People from the Navy warned at the time that this might give a signal to Argentina that it was safe to invade. And their warnings were proved right. The invasion probably wouldn't have happened with a bit of common sense and proper planning on the part of our Defence Department.

Anyway this could hardly outweigh all the harm she did at home. Incidentally a 'landslide victory' means 42.4% of the vote, and a lot of this was due to divisions and infighting on the left, rather than any positive achievement by Thatcher.

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Response to devilgrrl (Reply #52)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:06 AM

53. OK. I will self-delete the post.

Just kidding! Instead, I will post another picture of Billy Bragg's mansion:

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Response to devilgrrl (Reply #54)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:15 AM

56. If she was alive today, I wonder whether she would be advocating "chained CPI" (nt)

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Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:40 AM

64. I'm sure she would

unless shw could cut them even more:

1980 Social Security Act - Link between state pension increases and average earnings broken by Margaret Thatcher's Conservative government. If the link with earnings had not been broken, a basic state pension for a single pensioner would worth about £30 a week more.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2488513.stm


That was written in 2002, when it was £75.50. Meanwhile, her Tory successors switched the state pension from RPI to the lower CPI.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #56)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:01 PM

92. I daresay. She advocated everything of that nature that she could.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:21 AM

59. Oh yeah, great job on the Falklands........

That's one thing that the Pirates of the Sea were always good at, taking over other people's land.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #59)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:25 AM

60. Remember when Hoboken, NJ belonged to the Native Americans?

I think we should give it back.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #60)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:45 AM

67. The natives got screwed in the whole American continent.

The Europeans took their lands from Canada in the North to Argentina and Chile in the South.

That still does not excuse colonial powers from taking land from other independent nations. At the time, Argentina was already a sovereign nation and they had a garrison on the islands. The British surrounded them and gave them 24 hrs. to vacate the islands.

I attended a high school run by Argentine/Irish nuns in Buenos Aires. Double whammy, they liked the Brits as much as they liked the plague. So I have strong feelings on the subject.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #67)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:11 AM

81. The Falklands have been British since 1833. Argentina did not exist as a country until 1853. (nt)

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #81)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:46 PM

104. What are you talking about????

Argentina became one of the first nations in the continent to become independent from Spain. Their independence day was July 9, 1816.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #104)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:49 PM

105. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Argentina_of_1853

And yes, the Spaniards did displace the indigenous peoples in the process. Which is ironic in itself.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #105)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:00 PM

109. That's the year they approved the Constitution.

Furthermore, in 1809 and 1810 the British invaded Buenos Aires and tried to take control of the city away from the Spaniards. The population was able to repel the invaders twice. They were so disgusted with the Spaniards' performance during both British invasions, that they declared that from then on they would be governed by "criollos" (people of Spanish ascendancy, but born in the colony). That upheaval became known as the "Revolucion de Mayo". It took place on May 25th, 1810. On July 9, 1816 the Declaration of Independence was finally signed in Tucuman (about 800 miles from Bs. As.).

Forgot to add, there's a big tower in downtown Buenos Aires near a railway station that was given to the Argentines by the British government in 1910 to commemorate the May Revolution of 1810. The tower is called "La Torre de los Ingleses".

Here's a link to info. on the tower:

http://www.andrewcusack.com/2006/01/14/the-english-tower-and-kavanagh-building/

Here's the Wikepedia link on Argentina. Notice the independence date.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina



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Response to Beacool (Reply #59)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:24 AM

88. The Falklands are whose land?

They have no indigenous inhabitants.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:51 AM

75. I'll admit it: I liked her

 

I think we've forgotten that you can disagree with somebody's politics without hating them. This mostly occurs on the right here, though I've seen a few cases on the left, too.

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Mon Apr 8, 2013, 06:52 PM

125. A miner? Do you mean a minor? A miner is the last person who could support Maggie!

She destroyed the mining industry in the UK - and other industries too - out of spite against the unions.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:12 PM

96. the problem is not speaking ill of her will help enhance what she did

the people who consider her heroes for what she did to the poor, to the unions, to her enemies, will be touting those things.

a story of her death, with those things highlighted and none of us who disagreed with her offering criticism in response means that we will be helping enable an erroneous and dangerous image of her as a positive force in politics and the world --which she may have intended to be, but in mine and others opinion was quite the opposite.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #96)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:37 PM

116. People need to consider their legacies

It's important to speak out when people who do evil pass away, and not gloss over their malfeasance in the name of respect. People like the Bushes and James Baker, etc., and those who would become like them, need to know that history will remember them badly and that their misdeeds will be brought to light for all of posterity to remember once they've gone to their "rewards".

It's very important for future leaders to take this into consideration in all their dealings. Prominent evildoers of earlier times got away with too much because the media coverage of their deaths was often far too respectful than the record warranted. In the Internet age, though, such niceties no longer have to be, nor will they be, tolerated without challenge.

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Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:31 AM

8. right wing, yeah, but intelligent and eloquent

You gotta give her credit for that.

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Response to bigworld (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:37 AM

12. The people of Britian truly disliked her

Check out their final words for her

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/

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Response to amuse bouche (Reply #12)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:45 PM

118. This just about says it all.

"She created today's housing crisis, she produced the banking crisis, she created the benefits crisis. It was her government that started putting people on incapacity benefits rather than register them as unemployed because the Britain she inherited was broadly at full employment.

"She decided when she wrote off our manufacturing industry that she could live with two or three million unemployed and the legacy of that, the benefits bill that we are still struggling with today.

"In actual fact, every real problem we face today is the legacy of the fact she was fundamentally wrong."

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Response to Beacool (Reply #118)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:57 PM

120. Yes

They really disliked her. I learned lots from the comments, even though they are heavily censored and disappear quickly

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Response to bigworld (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:23 AM

38. Right wing is right.

How can anyone as right wing as her actually be intelligent. She was a fascist from the get go.
As was mentioned in another thread, or was it this one, they should privatize her funeral.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #38)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:45 AM

47. I am sorry.

She was many things. Some negative. But the word fascist is inappropriate. She was democratically elected several times. When her own party got tired to her she stepped down willingly.

And you said to a little deeper on the Falklands war.

There was an election there a few weeks ago. Nearly 100% of the residents voted to remain part of Britain .

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Response to bigworld (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:31 AM

91. That's what made her dangerous.

The ones who are smart, good at bullshitting, and charismatic enough to get the LIV's drooling are the ones that fuck us the worst.

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Response to bigworld (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:03 PM

95. Being intelligent and eloquent are gifts not virtues.

They can be used for evil as well as good, and in her case mostly were.

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:32 AM

9. You know, this is Obama's fault.



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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:33 AM

10. I was intereseted to see how the Brits were

taking the news. So checking out the front page of HuffPo UK tells how they feel and it ain't warm and fuzzy.

They truly loathed the woman

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Response to amuse bouche (Reply #10)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:36 AM

11. As we all should

She was not a good woman.

But Rest in Peace and sympathy to those who loved her.

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Response to amuse bouche (Reply #10)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:43 AM

16. It varies a lot

though I wouldn't say HuffPost UK looks particularly anti-Thatcher at the moment; and the earliest comments are more likely to be anti- than pro-, because the pro-Thatcher people are sad, not energised.

The obvious comparison is with Reagan; loads of Tories still regard her as the 'true' Conservative leader, and all they want from one now is to behave exactly like her. Perhaps the neutrals aren't as favourable to her as many seem to have been to Reagan. But, against that, pretty much everyone acknowledges her ability (studied science at Oxford when it was rare for women to, especially from a modest background; made her way in an undoubtedly sexist party).

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #16)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:51 AM

21. Well Huffpo

doesn't let all comments through. So the numbers have to be adjusted

I know their censorship was insane when Breitbart died.

The people did not like her.Many are saying she ruined their lives

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #16)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:12 AM

30. I went back to check again

The censors are working overtime. It's worse than here and that's saying a lot

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:37 AM

13. I'm sure her family is very proud of her

She did break new ground.

Her and ray gun seemed as they were the same person back then, didnt they.

Wish her time in power could be looked back to fondly, but it's not the case

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:41 AM

14. Now do we have to wait for white smoke from Parliament to see who will be the new Baroness?

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:42 AM

15. Some poignant words from John Lydon come to mind.

Peace and condolences to her family, anyway . . .

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Response to HughBeaumont (Reply #15)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:49 AM

19. These days Mr Lydon is worth $10 million+ and advertises butter in Country Life magazine. nt

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #19)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:15 AM

31. What, is he supposed to "maintain integrity" and live in squalor forever?

Even the members of Crass got pissed that designers forged their logo on their shirts (worn by one David Beckham) and they saw not pound note one from it.

My focus is on Reagan's Girlfriend, thanks.

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Response to HughBeaumont (Reply #31)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:18 AM

34. Not at all. Good luck to him.

Just like Billy Bragg lives in an enormous mansion in the country.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #19)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:27 AM

39. Johnny Rotten selling butter!

In the end, it was about the money.

Cheers!

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Response to Vinnie From Indy (Reply #39)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:51 PM

106. nah, Johnny's cool

new PIL album and tour he financed with the butter money were great

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:48 AM

17. My condolences to her family.

 

That's all I got...

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 08:54 AM

23. Congratulations, Mr. Costello...

"Oh I'll be a good boy, I'm trying so hard to behave / Because there's one thing I know, I'd like to live / long enough to savour / That's when they finally put you in the ground / I'll stand on your grave and tramp the dirt down."

I will be there with you in spirit, brother.

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Response to Tom Ripley (Reply #23)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:07 AM

27. If you're in the mood today for a slow dance to a fine ballad, here's the tune . . .

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Response to leveymg (Reply #27)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:12 PM

111. Great lyrics:

I saw a newspaper picture from the political
campaign
A woman was kissing a child, who was obviously
in pain
She spills with compassion, as that young child's
face in her hands she grips
Can you imagine all that greed and avarice
coming down on that child's lips
Well I hope I don't die too soon
I pray the Lord my soul to save
Oh I'll be a good boy, I'm trying so hard to behave
Because there's one thing I know, I'd like to live
long enough to savour
That's when they finally put you in the ground
I'll stand on your grave and tramp the dirt down

When England was the whore of the world
Margaret was her madam
And the future looked as bright and as clear as
the black tarmacadam
Well I hope that she sleeps well at night, isn't
haunted by every tiny detail
'Cos when she held that lovely face in her hands
all she thought of was betrayal

And now the cynical ones say that it all ends
the same in the long run
Try telling that to the desperate father who just
squeezed the life from his only son
And how it's only voices in your head and
dreams you never dreamt
Try telling him the subtle difference between
justice and contempt
Try telling me she isn't angry with this pitiful
discontent
When they flaunt it in your face as you line up
for punishment
And then expect you to say "Thank you"
straighten up, look proud and pleased
Because you've only got the symptoms, you
haven't got the whole disease
Just like a schoolboy, whose head's like a tin-can
filled up with dreams then poured down
the drain
Try telling that to the boys on both sides, being
blown to bits or beaten and maimed
Who takes all the glory and none of the shame

Well I hope you live long now, I pray the Lord
your soul to keep
I think I'll be going before we fold our arms
and start to weep
I never thought for a moment that human life
could be so cheap
'Cos when they finally put you in the ground
They'll stand there laughing and tramp the
dirt down

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Response to Tom Ripley (Reply #23)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:18 AM

35. George Galloway has quoted that on Twitter

and I think he's enjoying the backlash:

https://twitter.com/georgegalloway

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Response to Tom Ripley (Reply #23)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:48 AM

71. I have still got that on vinyl

I think I'll cue it up tonight.

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:03 AM

26. I'm supposed to speak good of the dead.....

She's dead. Good.

Saint Ronnie's been saving her a seat in hell. People compare her to Reagan; I prefer to think of her as Dick Cheney in a dress and high heels.

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Response to lastlib (Reply #26)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:12 PM

124. Agreed

I simply can't bring myself to mourn the death of someone who caused so much suffering to so many. Perhaps dead her remains can fertilize a tree or something and finally do something positive.

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:10 AM

29. oh god, here we go:

She was evil!

You are speaking ill of the dead!

So what? She was horrid....wars...bleah bleah bleah...people suffered under her!

What if her FAMILY is reading this?

You are speaking ill of the dead.

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Response to JanMichael (Reply #29)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:17 AM

32. I agree completely

The Brits are desperately trying to dance on her grave, but the censors at HuffPo U.K are working overtime to stop the party

Their censors are actually worse than here. And that's saying something

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Response to JanMichael (Reply #29)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:18 AM

33. I'm quite positive her family has never heard of an American Democratic website such as DU.

Sure there are more than a thousand sites across the U.K. and other nations where Mag's family can read about her . . . "legacy" . . . first hand.

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Response to JanMichael (Reply #29)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:46 AM

48. Why should I show respect in death for someone I disrespected in life? n/t

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:27 AM

41. I have nothing to say about her.

n/t

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:35 AM

44. Any comment from Billy Bragg?

Or has he not yet emerged from his mansion?

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #44)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:51 AM

50. That's what you're using to trash Billy?

Looks like any McMansion built in the last twenty years here in the States.

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:45 AM

46. Half of Britain is singing a dirge for her death...

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:48 AM

49. RIP

 

n/t

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:53 AM

51. She was in power before I really became politically aware, but...

Never in my life have I ever heard her referred to as Baroness Thatcher. I mean, it's not as though I followed her career with any particular attention, and I didn't even see the Streep film, but you'd think I'd have picked up on the Baroness thing at least once in all that time.

Hmm.

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Response to Orrex (Reply #51)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:25 AM

90. I highly recommend The Iron Lady, the film with Streep as Thatcher

It is really very good, the piece is far more than a simple bio pic. Loved the screenplay and direction as much as the performances. She got the title in 92.

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:14 AM

55. Pictures are starting to arrive

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Response to Warpy (Reply #55)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:42 AM

65. I should have expected that .. but I still choked! nt.

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:17 AM

58. Took a look at some right wing sites this morning.


Let me save you folks the trouble: Maggie Thatcher, Ronnie Reagan and Pope John Paul II were the Blessed Trinity who presided over the apex of human achievement in the entire history of the world, AND it's fortunate that they're all gone now, because liberal socialism is about to destroy all life on the planet.

I kid you not: that is the tenor of the posts over at Lucienne.com and FreiRepublik right now......

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Response to Paladin (Reply #58)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:46 AM

68. You're forgetting one.

He didn't get as much international awareness, but he was voted Canada's most hated politician.

Thatcher, Reagan, and Mulroney: In Search of a New Bureaucracy

Donald J. Savoie

University of Pittsburgh Pre, Jan 15, 1994 - Political Science - 432 pages

Savoie considers the war of reform waged by the leaders of these major industrial countries. Reagan declared that he had come to Washington to “drain the swamp” of bureaucracy, and set up the Grace Commission to investigate the operation of the U.S. government. Thatcher and Mulroney were equally committed to reform and initiated wide-ranging changes. By the end of the 1990s, the changes were dramatic. Many governments operations had been privatized in all three countries, and new management techniques had been introduced. In Great Britain, one observer judged that the changes were historically as important as the collapse of Keynesian economics.


http://books.google.ca/books/about/Thatcher_Reagan_and_Mulroney.html?id=FHKmP7Mhn_gC&redir_esc=y

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Response to polly7 (Reply #68)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:50 AM

72. Hey, if you want to check for Mulroney's presence, be my guest.


I've done all the conservative site lurking I'm going to do, today.....

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Response to Paladin (Reply #72)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:57 AM

76. Agree.. not the most pleasant thing to be doing, by any means. nt.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #76)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:07 AM

80. Gotta take one for the team every once in a while, don't we? (nt)

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Response to Paladin (Reply #58)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:52 PM

119. I can't stand that woman!!!

Lucienne, Thatcher too, come to think of it............

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:46 AM

69. I guess the Scots are getting to work on the hole straight to Hell then...

..if someone funds them. Maybe we can get a kickstarter going...



"For 3 million you could give everyone in Scotland a shovel, and we could dig a hole so deep we could hand her over to Satan personnally" -- Frankie Boyle

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:47 AM

70. Lots of Brits are popping champagne bottles now

I mean that literally, not as a figure of speech. I've been told saving a special bottle for when she went was a fairly common practice in some circles. Well to those enjoy, and condolences to her family.

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Response to ButterflyBlood (Reply #70)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:51 AM

74. I'm sure that "lots of Brits" aren't as classless as you think.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #74)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:58 AM

77. You'd be surprised

Parties are being planned in Yorkshire and Wales, especially, where the scars left by her destruction of the main industry, coal, are still painfully felt.

She was willing to destroy a profitable industry just to get rid of some of the unions.

You'd better believe glasses are being lifted in honor of her death. Lack of class has nothing to do with it. Being working class does.

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 10:50 AM

73. I'm sorry to hear that.

Though I didn't know she was still alive. She must have stayed out of public life.

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:14 AM

83. I love George Galloway's tweet- Tramp the dirt down.

Hell just got a little bit worse.

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:16 AM

84. I might well go to hell for this, but...

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:17 AM

86. Rust In Pieces.

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:20 AM

87. This has to be posted:

I sometimes wonder if I'll ever get the chance / Just to sing to my children in a holiday jam / Our lives seem petty in your cold gray hands / Would you give a second thought, would you ever give a damn? / I doubt it / stand down Margaret



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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:02 PM

93. Rest In Peace PM.

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:02 PM

94. and there was much rejoicing

yay!

RL

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:27 PM

98. She was a pioneer in the art of waging stupid, pointless little wars for fun and profit.

In a last-gasp of a dying empire, over some rocks in the South Atlantic nobody wants or needs.

Fortunately, Reagan and the Bushes have carried on with useless, pointless little wars ever since.

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:40 PM

101. I disliked Thatcher as much as I disliked Reagan.

Two peas in the same evil pod. Having said that, she was a human being and there are people grieving her loss. My condolences to her family.

Rest in peace.

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:42 PM

103. margaret thatcher proved that women can be equally agressive, sociopathic and cruel as men.




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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:51 PM

107. From the time...



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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:53 PM

108. Now who's going to defend the murderous Gen. Pinochet and his regime?

I imagine it's a little hot where they're reuniting

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Response to Adenoid_Hynkel (Reply #108)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:13 PM

112. I think she

had a crush on ol' Pinochet. Must have been the uniform and all those gee gaws pinned to his chest.

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:43 PM

117. All I can say, is...

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 04:06 PM

123. She and Ronny are probably together now right where they belong

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 07:23 PM

126. Now, now. We should only say good about the dead. She's dead...

Good.

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Response to Bosonic (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:51 PM

127. RIP Thatcher

Its a shame that in life you didn't see the damage you were doing by destroying a great nation. The trade unions were an integral part of the nation and you ruined something that helped the poor and middle class. Now they are at the mercy of the corporations, as we are now as well it seems.

Any of your accomplishments on the world stage should be measured against what you did domestically and if judged together and taken as a whole you were a miserable failure.

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