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Wed Feb 27, 2013, 02:39 PM

Americans worry more about gun violence than losing their jobs

Source: Washington Post

The Kaiser Family Foundation asked adults how much they worry about a certain situations, ranging from their ability to afford health care to the possibility of being a victim of a terrorist attack.

It found, in a new poll out Wednesday, that Americans worry more about being a victim of gun violence than they do about losing a job or being unable to pay their mortgage.



Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/02/27/americans-worry-more-about-gun-violence-than-losing-their-jobs



More evidence that the tipping point has been reached, gun nuts.

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Reply Americans worry more about gun violence than losing their jobs (Original post)
onehandle Feb 2013 OP
patrice Feb 2013 #1
Bay Boy Feb 2013 #3
derby378 Feb 2013 #7
frylock Feb 2013 #37
derby378 Feb 2013 #41
frylock Feb 2013 #42
LeftInTX Feb 2013 #5
Bay Boy Feb 2013 #26
Smilo Feb 2013 #36
Bay Boy Feb 2013 #2
Kingofalldems Feb 2013 #4
Bay Boy Feb 2013 #17
roxy1234 Feb 2013 #44
Bay Boy Feb 2013 #45
roxy1234 Feb 2013 #47
patrice Feb 2013 #8
Bay Boy Feb 2013 #16
patrice Feb 2013 #19
Bay Boy Feb 2013 #22
patrice Feb 2013 #23
patrice Feb 2013 #24
patrice Feb 2013 #20
patrice Feb 2013 #21
frylock Feb 2013 #38
Bay Boy Feb 2013 #39
frylock Feb 2013 #40
upaloopa Feb 2013 #12
patrice Feb 2013 #18
Bay Boy Feb 2013 #25
patrice Feb 2013 #27
slackmaster Feb 2013 #29
patrice Feb 2013 #32
slackmaster Feb 2013 #33
patrice Feb 2013 #34
derby378 Feb 2013 #6
jtuck004 Feb 2013 #9
slackmaster Feb 2013 #11
jtuck004 Feb 2013 #13
slackmaster Feb 2013 #14
jtuck004 Feb 2013 #15
Posteritatis Feb 2013 #35
slackmaster Feb 2013 #10
robinlynne Feb 2013 #28
slackmaster Feb 2013 #30
robinlynne Feb 2013 #43
slackmaster Feb 2013 #46
graham4anything Feb 2013 #31
spin Feb 2013 #48

Response to onehandle (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 02:41 PM

1. I am not comfortable in movie theaters & it IS difficult to put out of my mind. nt

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Response to patrice (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 02:54 PM

3. A quick quiz

How many movie theaters are there in the USA?

Name all those that you have heard of gun murders at.
(did you name more than one?)

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 03:17 PM

7. I went to see THE DARK KNIGHT RISES in a theater and thought nothing about it

I will not live in fear. I'll go wherever I damn well please.

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Response to derby378 (Reply #7)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 07:41 PM

37. i love the gun nuts telling us how THEY WILL NOT LIVE IN FEAR!!1

you're whole life is based on fear, dude.

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Response to frylock (Reply #37)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 07:55 PM

41. And of course, you're an expert on what MY personal life is, right?

One more thing - I went to the theater unarmed. Boo.

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Response to derby378 (Reply #41)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 07:57 PM

42. you didn't have to use your AK?

damn it was a good day.

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Response to patrice (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 03:13 PM

5. I'm the same way too

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 05:17 PM

26. Seems to be a common response

to uncommon occurrences. A plane crashes "I'll never fly" A cruise ship has a problem "I'll never go on a cruise". etc.

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Response to patrice (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 06:41 PM

36. I'm not comfortable in movie theaters either

but it has nothing to do with the thought of violence - I hate paying the ticket prices only to have my viewing experience ruined by some loud mouths talking all the way through.

You can't let fear rule your life - if you give into fear then those that have carried out any kind of attack - have won.

If you are having difficulty putting violence out of your mind you may need to go talk to someone professionally.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 02:52 PM

2. They worry about gun violence and yet...

...I hear so many members here deriding people who choose to carry concealed with the words "In all my years I've never had a need for a concealed gun, you are just paranoid if you carry".

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 02:57 PM

4. Links please

'so many members' --- Callout, now please prove it.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 04:53 PM

17. I'm too lazy for that...

...but if you have read the gun forum you've seen it yourself.

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #17)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 08:31 PM

44. Any chance

 

You can direct me to the gun forum(with link? I have been hearing about it for years now but I have never been able to locate it.

Thanks

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Response to roxy1234 (Reply #44)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 09:04 PM

45. Serious!?!

See that tab on the top that says "Forums & Groups"? click that

(or click this)http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1172

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #45)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 09:37 PM

47. Ah never thought of looking there

 

I have gone through all the topics and sub topics on the left side hoping to find the infamous gundeon there but got no where until now. Anyway thanks, I have a lot to catch up on

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 03:35 PM

8. For some of us, it is simply a matter of freedom of association. Why would others carry guns unless

they think there's a possibility that they will need them? Are they a fashion accessory? A status symbol? A political statement?

No if it weren't for what guns do, no one would be carrying them for these other possible reasons either. So, I can assume that if I am in the presence of people who are carrying guns, they are doing so because there is some threat. My rights to freedom of association allow me to CHOOSE those with whom I associate. If I choose not to associate with persons who are under so much threat that they are carrying guns in my presence, that is my rightful choice. If you interfere with my right to this kind of self-determination by preventing the exercise of my right by hiding some essentially determinative factor, e.g. the possibility of violence proven by the necessity of weapons, then you are claiming a PRIVILEGE over my rights which you did not seek from me in any way shape or form, because the whole point of CC is to be secret, nor did you offer me compensation for whatever risk I might have chosen if you had allowed me to decide for myself.

CC claims a secret privilege that it does not grant to others, self-determination, and it claims that privilege by means of threat of the most ultimate violence there is. That pretty much fits my definition of fascism.

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Response to patrice (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 04:51 PM

16. Or:

Why would others (wear seatbelts/have a fire extingquisher)unless
they think there's a possibility that they will need them? Are they a fashion accessory? A status symbol? A political statement?

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #16)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 04:56 PM

19. You just proved my point: You think GUNS are the same as FIRE EXTINGUISHERS so YOU ARE DANGEROUS.

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Response to patrice (Reply #19)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 05:02 PM

22. Thank you for letting me know that...

...I actually thought I was a safe person with the ability to tell the difference between disimilar objects. But I stand corrected.

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #22)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 05:05 PM

23. You're the one who said they should be regarded as enough alike that there is no need to treat them

differently.

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #22)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 05:06 PM

24. BTW, do you conceal your seat-belt, your fire-extinguisher? Why not? nt

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #16)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 04:58 PM

20. If guns were the same as seat-belts why are there any guns at all, why don't you just carry a

seat-belt?

Please read up on a flaw in logic called "false equivalence".

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #16)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 05:00 PM

21. Echoing my questions back to me only shows you don't have any original questions of your own AND

you either can't or, more interesting and tellingly, DON'T WANT TO ANSWER my questions to you.

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #16)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 07:44 PM

38. are you fucking shitting me?!

wearing a seatbelt is mandated by law. you've been exposed to too much lead.

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Response to frylock (Reply #38)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 07:47 PM

39. LOL Carrying concealed

( I typed this wrong)
is mandated in the law

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #39)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 07:52 PM

40. are you grinding up bullets and snorting the lead?

CCW is a CHOICE. you need to apply for CCW. wearing a seatbelt is also a choice, but unlike carrying concealed, most NORMAL people NEED transportation to get to work. they work so they can DRIVE to the grocery store, purchasing food necessary to sustain LIFE. not going to continue this conversation with your obtuse bullshit. go troll someone else.

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 03:48 PM

12. It's not the same thing. People are worried they will

be involved in an act of gun violence because of the latest shootings in the news. They are not afraid someone will attack them on the street.

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 04:53 PM

18. Hello? Hello? WHAT ARE GUNS USED FOR? Q. Why are people carrying them everywhere? A. Danger.

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Response to patrice (Reply #18)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 05:13 PM

25. I carry for the potential of danger

much like I wear my seat belt for the potential of a crash or have a fire extinguisher at my house for the potential of a fire. I've never made use of any of the three so far in my 60 years of life.

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Response to Bay Boy (Reply #25)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 05:26 PM

27. But there are differences in the functions of those three objects in response to danger. It isn't

about whether you have used them or not, but about what the objects do if you did use them and what essential differences there in what they do. It's much harder to kill someone with what comes out of a fire-extinguisher, or with a seat-belt, than it is with a gun.

Because of that specific difference, IN PUBLIC PLACES, I have legitimate concerns about the presence of guns that I am unaware of. Guns are for certain events that fire-extinguishers are not. Go head and carry a fire extinguisher around with you, if you feel you need one; I bet you won't also feel like you have to HIDE the fire-extinguisher in a public place. People might think it odd, but their reaction to it's FUNCTION wouldn't necessarily be such that hiding it would become part of its function. Guns aren't like that and yet, because of what they do, I do have a particular reaction to them, IN PUBLIC PLACES, that is part of my rights to self-determination, especially in regards to what affects my safety and that of my loved ones in those same public places - WITHOUT ANY OF OUR knowledge or opportunity to decide whatever we can about any given public situation.

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Response to patrice (Reply #27)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 05:31 PM

29. You're not going to get your way on this, patrice. There will always be a possibility that somone...

 

...in your vicinity will be carrying a concealed firearm, either legally or not. The ones who are carrying illegally merit more concern than the ones doing so legally.

Because you can't do anything about it, I suggest that you teach yourself to accept it and not worry about it. There are a lot of things in life that pose greater risks to your health and safety than do people who are licensed to carry weapons.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #29)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 05:42 PM

32. Say that sort of thing to the kid who was shot outside of some club on the east side of my city

last night, NOT an unusual occurrence here at all, in fact, practically normal.

And I have FRIENDS who live over near there too, someone in particular who REALLY didn't get MOST of the breaks, and probably never will, that middle-class concealed carriers have already receive and will continue to receive. How much time does my beloved friend have?, compared to all of these other people who regard what could happen to her and others as just another ir-relevant statistical probability?



God! I'm sorry, sometimes I think I hate this country.

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Response to patrice (Reply #32)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 05:54 PM

33. I'll take a wild guess that the kid wasn't shot by someone who was carrying a gun legally

 

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #33)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 06:06 PM

34. You may know more about those probabilities, but PLEASE consider that not much of that matters

to the boy and his family and others in those situations and yet the whole culture of this issue, including its LEGAL dimensions, makes their situation increasingly more dangerous . . .

but then I imagine you know that, because you are paying attention, so thanks for what you do, slackmaster.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 03:16 PM

6. Some "tipping point"

I notice that data point has been greatly eclipsed by the next topic: "Not being able to afford the health care services you think you need." This after Obamacare was signed into law and upheld by the Supreme Court. Are we supposed to take on Obamacare next, by your logic?

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 03:38 PM

9. Americans are not very good at math, and they stink at probabilities, so this isn't

all that surprising.

Over 5 million homes foreclosed since the criminal enterprise of the banks collapsed, and over 50,000 families a month still being yanked out of their homes. Millions of good paying jobs are now so much smoke, continuing to be replaced with shit jobs by the millions, where they are replaced at all.

Shootings don't even come close to that. On the other hand, viewing multiple news reports about any shooting is far more likely than a story about how your corporation is screwing you, or about families being made homeless by criminals who are being funded by our tax dollars.

Thanks for posting that. It does a good job of showing the effectiveness of propaganda and television "news" at distracting people from the real dangers in their lives.

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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #9)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 03:46 PM

11. It's not just Americans. Humans in general are not very good at understanding probability.

 

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #11)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 03:56 PM

13. Tru dat. Not entirely bad, has to do with stuff deep in our brain that protects us from


deadly snakes and a few other ancient hazards. But because many people don't realize this, and aren't taught, (tougher to control a populace that thinks critically, eh?) it exposes people to a lot of hazards that are far more common and deadly.

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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 04:03 PM

14. One of my friends from undergraduate days now has a PhD in Epidemiology. He has a very different...

 

...view of the world than most people as a result.

He often says things that seem counter-intuitive but can be easily shown to be true. For example "If you make it to age 85, you're pretty much a shoo-in to make it to 100." That's because by 85 you have surpassed the ages at which heart disease, common cancers, diabetes, and other big killers take people out.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #14)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 04:28 PM

15. That's interesting.


I had read about propaganda and lies and their effectiveness, but when I got into dog rescue many years ago I ran headlong into the hysteria I encountered about dog bites, so-called pit bulls, etc. But when I started looking at the stats I realized that it was mostly driven by news, not facts, and "true believers" who want to push their own agenda of hate, more like Rush Limbaugh. A book that addresses some of that is "Dogs Bite: But Balloons and Slippers Are More Dangerous" by Janis Bradley, lists the CDC stats on choking, tripping, drownings - far more actual injuries and death from those than any dog or group of dogs has ever presented.

But, as the article above shows, people often ignore data, letting their actions be guided by over-hyped or salacious news, even to their own peril or detriment.

As people we are odd that way.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #11)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 06:24 PM

35. I need to find my copy of Dan Gardner's "Risk" again now. (nt)

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 03:45 PM

10. It's clearly a result of misleading vividness in media coverage of selected violent crimes

 

If people worried about things in proportion to the actual risk they posed, they would worry a lot more about motor vehicle accidents, poisoning, and slip/fall injuries than they do about crime.

People are FAR more likely to die of cancer than to be murdered; and terrorist attacks are so rare that worrying about them at all makes no sense.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 05:28 PM

28. just one thing. unemployed people left out of the equation. not counted.

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #28)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 05:32 PM

30. It wouldn't make sense to include unemployed people in the survey...

 

...because they have no reason to fear losing their jobs.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #30)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 08:31 PM

43. actually you just dont know how terrifying it is. much higher on my fear scale.

(no I dont have a job.) That is my point. when you are not earning a living, you pretty much live in fear.

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #43)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 09:19 PM

46. Sorry if that seemed insensitive, robinlynne. I have been laid off numerous times, and dead broke

 

...three times in my life: The day I was born, the day I was awarded my BA degree, and the day my divorce was final. The last was at age 40, and I knew I had just been through a period of unemployment. I was 40 and terrified of losing the home that I managed to keep in the divorce.

Now I'm 55 and have recovered from that, but the prospect of every being able to retire on what I've managed to save seems daunting.

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Wed Feb 27, 2013, 05:34 PM

31. Of course. If one is shot dead, losing their job is the last thing on their mind

 

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Response to onehandle (Original post)

Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:55 PM

48. Do you realize that many "gun nuts" worry about being the victim of gun violence ...

and consequently buy firearms for self defense?

It would be my guess you never considered this as you finished your post by saying ...

"More evidence that the tipping point has been reached, gun nuts."


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