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Wed Feb 13, 2013, 01:54 PM

Boehner Shoots Down Obama’s Minimum Wage Hike - UPDATED: WH Hits Back Against Boehner

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Source: TPM

House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) on Wednesday shot down President Obama's proposal unveiled at the State of the Union to raise the federal minimum wage from $7.25 to $9.

"I've been deadling with the minimum wage issue for the last 28 years that I've been in elected office," he told reporters. "And when you raise the price of employment, guess what happens? You get less of it. At a time when Americans are still asking the question 'Where are the jobs?' why would we want to make it harder for small employers to hire people?"

He argued that raising the minimum wage makes it harder for low-skilled workers to enter the workforce and acquire skills to advance up the ladder.

"Listen, I've got 11 brothers and sisters on every rung of the economic ladder. I know about this issue as much as anybody in this town. And what happens when you take away the first couple of rungs on the economic ladder -- you make it harder for people to get on the ladder," Boehner said. "Our goal is to get people on the ladder and help them climb that ladder so they can live the American dream. And a lot of people who are being the paid minimum wage are being paid that because they come to the workforce with no skills. And this makes it harder for them to acquire the skills they need in order to climb that ladder successfully."

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WH Hits Back Against Boehner:

Minimum Wage Hike Won’t Harm Job Market

White House Defends Minimum Wage Increase


SAHIL KAPUR FEBRUARY 13, 2013, 2:35 PM

House Speaker John Boehner’s (R-OH) swift rejection of President Obama’s proposal during the State of the Union to raise the federal minimum wage from $7.25 to $9 has reignited a long-running, contentious battle over the economic consequences of a price floor for labor. Perhaps predictably the latest skirmish has begun with a salvo of economic studies from each side.

“hen you raise the price of employment, guess what happens? You get less of it,” Boehner told reporters Wednesday morning during a Capitol Hill press conference with the House GOP leadership. “And what happens when you take away the first couple of rungs on the economic ladder? You make it harder for people to get on the ladder. Our goal is to get people on the ladder and help them climb that ladder so they can live the American dream.”

The White House shot back against Boehner’s claim that the policy would lead to job losses and particularly harm low-skilled workers.

“We have a lot of empirical evidence on this question, and the best studies consistently find that the minimum wage has no adverse effect on unemployment,” a senior administration official told TPM on Wednesday afternoon.

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Reply Boehner Shoots Down Obama’s Minimum Wage Hike - UPDATED: WH Hits Back Against Boehner (Original post)
DonViejo Feb 2013 OP
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2013 #1
louis-t Feb 2013 #2
RDANGELO Feb 2013 #3
Cobalt Violet Feb 2013 #4
The Magistrate Feb 2013 #5
KG Feb 2013 #6
classykaren Feb 2013 #13
Roland99 Feb 2013 #7
lib2DaBone Feb 2013 #8
indie9197 Feb 2013 #9
dotymed Feb 2013 #24
awoke_in_2003 Feb 2013 #10
midwest irish Feb 2013 #11
CreekDog Feb 2013 #12
truthisfreedom Feb 2013 #14
surrealAmerican Feb 2013 #17
timdog44 Feb 2013 #15
freshwest Feb 2013 #18
timdog44 Feb 2013 #20
freshwest Feb 2013 #21
timdog44 Feb 2013 #22
DallasNE Feb 2013 #16
B-ONE Lancer Feb 2013 #19
bamacrat Feb 2013 #23
timdog44 Feb 2013 #25
Politicalboi Feb 2013 #26
Historic NY Feb 2013 #27
appacom Feb 2013 #28
the devil Feb 2013 #29
Trillo Feb 2013 #30
airplaneman Feb 2013 #31

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 01:56 PM

1. Fuck you Boehner

You don't know shit from shinola.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 02:09 PM

2. No, asshole, you want people working for starvation wages

until they're 75 and drop dead from exhaustion. You ain't foolin' anyone. Did I mention what an asshole he is?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 02:09 PM

3. The low minimum wage

contributes to the income disparity and declining middle class that we now have.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 02:13 PM

4. Fucking jerk!

Guess he thinks we don't deserve to eat.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 02:14 PM

5. Excellent, Sir: Great Campaign Issue For The Upcoming 2014 Congressional Race....

He is wrong, of course: raising wages increases employment, as it increases consumer spending and economic activity over-all, but still, he handed us an excellent tool for nationalizing the election and driving turn-out. It does not get more basic than 'Want more money? Vote for the Democrat!'

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 02:19 PM

6. the same argument that's made every time. and it's always the same lie.

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Response to KG (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 04:02 PM

13. It will make a lot more 10 per hour jobs

No one or hardly anyone in other states want to pay minumun wage. The same Nursing Homes that were paying 10 for a CNA starting paying 8 and less for back breaking work they said there was so many people out of work they could do this

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 02:20 PM

7. LIAR!! >>>>>>

Fact sheet for 2009 minimum wage increase—Minimum Wage Issue Guide
http://www.epi.org/publication/mwig_fact_sheet/

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 02:21 PM

8. 30+ years of Fail... trickle-down ...Supply Side nonsense......

 

30 Plus years of a declining middle class because of Reaganomics.... and they STILL don't get it.

Let me change that.. they "get it"... alright... they just don't WANT people receiving a fair wage for fair labor.

And shamefully, of couse.... the MSM picks it up and repeats it exactly as the Republicans demand... while the economy slips into cardiac arrest.



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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 03:10 PM

9. Wages are way out of whack from what they were in the 70's

My first job was minimum wage at $2.10/hr in a grocery store in 1976. At the time I remember seeing signs at construction sites looking for carpenters at $10/hr and bricklayers at $12/hr. I couldn't wait to learn how to be a bricklayer! Back then you could support a family on $10/hr.

So at that ratio, today carpenters should be making 5X minimum wage but they are not. I don't have any answers I am just saying that minimum wage should not be so close to that of skilled labor. I wish carpenters could make $30-$40 an hour but for whatever reason, illegal immigrants, etc. it is not happening. That used to be a great profession but it has disappeared as a way to make a living (in general).

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Response to indie9197 (Reply #9)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:46 PM

24. A Union carpenter DOES EARN $30-$40 an hour in most states.

As they should. Collective bargaining is the key. A damned wall street broker ( much easier skill set) gets paid about about 30-40 x times that amount. They take phone orders and stand on the trading floor shouting their orders.....that is fucked up and they have no Union (as far as I know). Some DU'er said that TPTB was nonsense, there is no such thing....


Collective bargaining is the only way a trades person can earn what they're worth..

Contractors are a different thing, especially residential ones. In TN. most of them pay $8-$10 an hour. No benefits and they 1099 the workers and claim they are "independent contractors." I remember when the wages were better but they still told you, "if you fall, you're fired before you hit the floor." I am sure that they are not all this way, I'm just relating my personal experience (and that of all the carpenters I know). Most residential contractors now use immigrant labor, they are easier to control...

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 03:25 PM

10. Boot straps and ladders...

they really need to come up with new BS.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 03:30 PM

11. Ohio minimum wage is 7.85

 

In fact, it was just raised to that by Boehner's Republican buddies in the state house and gov seat. So he doesnt want it raised federally by a democrat but thinks its great policy when republicans do it?





http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/01/02/a-few-dollars-more.html

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 03:39 PM

12. Here's the thing, Boehner knows that it would pass the House of Representatives

the only way it doesn't is if Boehner can keep it from coming to a vote.

there have always been a substantial number of Republicans who cross the line to vote for increased minimum wages. there will be enough this time to pass it.

so when you see Boehner's comments, note what he DOES NOT SAY:

1) he doesn't say it can't pass the house
2) he doesn't say it's not popular

he just says it's a bad idea. because that's all he's got.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 04:12 PM

14. Obama should factor in age.

Under 18, one level. 18-21, another level. 21+, $9/hr.

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Response to truthisfreedom (Reply #14)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:21 PM

17. Wouldn't that just encourage low-wage employers ...

... to replace older workers with younger ones?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:01 PM

15. I really wonder.

Does JB really have a brother or sister making only 7.25 an hour and is supporting a family on that? Boehner should have his house and car taken away from him, and his bank accounts and investments. Then keep him in DC at even $9/hour. I'll bet he would not be so tan. Then he might understand what things in the real world are all about.

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Response to timdog44 (Reply #15)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:28 PM

18. I don't believe ANY of those 11 are making under $9 an hour, unless they're in a sheltered workshop.

Those are jobs most people would not consider meaningful employment, but are a huge challenge to those who are lucky enough to get them and get to feel pride of being workers. If he doesn't want to show the pay stubs of his siblings to prove his case, I'm sorry, but IMO, Boehner is flat out lying.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #18)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:34 PM

20. I kind of think he lying too.

It would be hard for me to believe any of those pay stubs to indicate anything less that $20/hour, because that is not even a lot of income. Family of 4, buying a house and a car and meals, etc. on $40,000 is almost impossible.

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Response to timdog44 (Reply #20)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:50 PM

21. Not only that, I suspect his position in Congress helps them out. Not a sure thing, but still.

GOPhers are into nepotism as part of their family values spiel. For their own families, not anyone else's.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #21)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:02 PM

22. Agreed.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:17 PM

16. The "American Dream" Is $14,500 A Year For Full Time Work?

But let's call Boehner's bluff. Have CBO score raising the Minimum wage to $9 an hour. That is a straight forward thing to measure. How would that affect employment, inflation, aggregate demand and GDP growth.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:30 PM

19. Dic--Head

 

There has been over 2,500 comments on what the DIC-HEAD, has said.
Now the DIC--HEAD wants to tell us his family likes making shit for money and everyone else should like it too and they ( his family and us ) should also figure out how to find the next rung of a ladder---really---with a family member like that who needs enemies.

This DIC--HEAD said he's been dealing with this issue for 28 years---REALLY---lets divide his 28 years of god damn right wing experience and lack of service on screwing citizens of this country and see how much money he has given to the poor/high school student/and the middle class living on $7.25 hour ( $7.25 / 28 years = $0.25 DIC---HEAD cents a year.
Better yet lets divide the the wage back when it $2.95 when he came into office and see what we get, shall we---$7.25-$2.95 = $4.30 a hour so $4.35 / 28 = $0.15 a hour raise every year of DIC ---HEAD money.

So for 10,220 days ( 28 years of golf ) this DIC--HEAD has been in office he has given this country and its citizens and his family members $0.15 cents a year more to live on---oh whoopee.

Now this DIC---HEAD wants, and his side kicks: Cantor/ Hersling/ Blackburn ( who drink $780 dollar bottles of wine while trying to undermine the country at lobbistist behests) and others of this DIC---HEAD ilk, are going to take another week off to do what---collect millions from DIC---HEADS like the John Birchers ( Kochs) to further damage the economics of this country.
This DIC ---HEAD and his DIC---HEAD buddies made the sequester deal and now there going to take break----REALLY, what about a standard of living wage.
My answer to him take your DIC---HEAD $7.25 and live on it for a hour while your not in office doing your DIC ---HEAD job---what a full blown DIC---HEAD drunk.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:02 PM

23. At some point we need to admit the American Dream is just that...a dream.

It means different things to different people. Some people see it as becoming an uber rich person who is powerful and connected. Others see it as simply not having to worry about money. They don't want to be rich, they just want to be able to buy a house, a car, send their kids to a good school. The people the minimum wage applies to have no chance at attaining anything other than the American Nightmare. This has become more of a reality than the dream. Hard work means nothing if you aren't paid for the work you do. Lack of skill is a problem, but it is a problem because the stupids in our government won't invest in people to ensure we all have the chance to attain our version of the dream. You do not care about humans if you are more concerned with the few that have most instead of the many that have the least. We will be judged by history and the world by how we treat those less fortunate in our society, not by the billionaires we have created on their backs.

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Response to bamacrat (Reply #23)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:17 PM

25. I don't think we can give up on a dream.

Actually, I think "two cats in the yard" is a guarantee. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Should be a bare minimum for all Americans.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:30 PM

26. WTF?

"And a lot of people who are being the paid minimum wage are being paid that because they come to the workforce with no skills. And this makes it harder for them to acquire the skills they need in order to climb that ladder successfully."

This IS the going wage no matter how many years experience you have asshole.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:36 PM

27. HEy Bohner how much did your salary go up in 22 yrs?

$125,100 (Representatives) January 1, 1991
$223,500 as speaker 2013.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:08 PM

28. Congress should be paid minimum wages for a month and get no health care or food stamps

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:47 PM

29. Minimum wage...

When you raise the minimum wage, you put money into the hands of people who are going to spend it. Now, more money being spent means more products being purchased or services being rendered. That means that more products are going to be produced, or more services are going to be done for people. More money exchanging hands means a healthier economy.

Which is why I don't understand economics. Those who have a lot of money want to have more of it, but they are unwilling to give more to their employees, even though it could mean that their own incomes would increase as a result. Businesses are in business, it seems, to reward business owners and shareholders, but it's the workers who are going out and buying what they need. The workers are the ones who are driving the economy...when they have money.

Put it this way...if you give your child $20 a week as an allowance, the gifts you get for holidays are going to be nice. If you give your child $1 a week, you're getting dollar store gifts.

Raise the minimum wage. Here in Ontario (yes...Canada...), we went from $6.25 when I was younger to $10.25 an hour. The young people have a lot of spending power. Businesses passed the cost on to consumers (a coffee went from a buck to being about a buck and a half over those years) and not too many people complained.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:08 PM

30. Dear Boehner

In America, the ladder is placed much like a carrot in front of a horses mouth. When someone starts climbing it, some one else comes along and kicks it out from underfoot. That person could be a banker, it could be an employer, it could be a school, it could be another malicious human, that fact remains that someone is always there to kick the ladder down when someone is on it. People are resilient, and great propaganda can convince them to get up and try again. After doing this umpteen times, people begins to question whether the ladder is really there, if instead there is merely the illusion of a ladder. Few question that there are a very small minority of folks that seem to be at the top of the ladder. Perhaps they are directing the kickers on the ground, paying them perhaps to kick the ladder away.

By not getting on that ladder, illusion or not, nobody can kick it out from underneath. The lie is "work to get ahead", the truth is, "Work to get someone else ahead." The transformation is "Work to get someone else ahead?"

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 12:20 AM

31. I agree that raising the minimum wage will improve the economy and the people that get it.

I think the reason why corporations are against it is because american capitalism has gotten really good at making lots of money only for a few. They figured out that screwing the employee was one of the greatest ways of getting there. This is a change that has occurred in the last 30 years. You never hear them say that raising the CEO pay from 10 million to 50 million is bad for business even if the company is going bankrupt. With this mentality ruling american capitalism how could they ever give a shit about their workers or see a different model.
-Airplane

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