Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:19 AM
Eugene (17,350 posts)
Italian ex-spy chief gets 10 years in CIA case
MILAN | Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:30am EST
(Reuters) - Italy's former military intelligence chief was sentenced to 10 years in jail on Tuesday for his role in the kidnapping of an Egyptian Muslim cleric in an operation organized by the United States.
An American former CIA station chief was this month sentenced in absentia to seven years in jail after imam Abu Omar was snatched from a Milan street in 2003 and flown to Egypt for interrogation during the United States' "war on terror".
The Milan appeals court sentenced Niccolo Pollari, former head of the Sismi military intelligence agency, to 10 years in prison and his former deputy Marco Mancini to nine years.
The court also awarded a provisional 1 million euros in damages to the imam, the Ansa news wire reported, as well as 500,000 euros to the imam's wife.
Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/12/us-italy-rendition-verdict-idUSBRE91B0OS20130212
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Italian ex-spy chief gets 10 years in CIA case (Original post)
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|Peace Patriot||Feb 2013||#7|
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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #3)
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:42 PM
rachel1 (538 posts)
6. Because they're been implemented in the name of security/freedom/democracy
or whatever reasons the warmongers can pull out of their asses.
"The power to question is the basis of all human progress." - Indira Gandhi
Response to Eugene (Original post)
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:14 PM
AntiFascist (10,799 posts)
4. That name brings back memories...
we can thank him for working with the neocons in staging false evidence leading to the illegal invasion of Iraq.
Response to AntiFascist (Reply #4)
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 02:49 AM
Peace Patriot (21,827 posts)
7. Yup, you got it, AntiFascist! Same guy.
Niccolo Polari was at that Rome meeting, where the Niger forgeries were concocted and then passed back to Rumsfeld. Another notorious participant at that meeting was Manucher Ghorbanifar (weapons dealer and real dirty Iran-Contra Reagan player). What was HE doing there? My guess: That was the hatchery for a plan to PLANT nuclear weapons IN Iraq, to be "discovered" by the U.S. troops who were hunting for them, thus to "confirm" all the lavish anticipation built up by the Bushwhacks and by Pentagon operatives such as Judith Miller* (New York Slimes) that such weapons would be found. I tend to think, these days, that the plan was to place the weapons on route to Iran (from Iraq), or from Iran (to Iraq) and to thus expand the war, then and there, right across the border into Iran, chasing those planted weapons.
Either way--planted weapons found in Iraq or in Iraq involving Iran--the foiling of such a plan is my guess for what was really behind Cheney-Rumsfeld's outing of the entire CIA counter-proliferation project (Valerie Plame's project), putting U.S. counter-proliferation agents and contacts around the world in peril of their lives. I think it's likely that one of those agents or contacts acted to foil the movement of the weapons, and thus foiled a plan to plant them in Iraq. Cheney-Rumsfeld were left flat-footed. No weapons of mass destruction. All that buildup for nothing! They must have been furious. David Kelly was murdered in the middle of all this which points to him as the possible foiler of the plan.
Ten years in prison for Polari, on an entirely different charge? Interesting. I tend to doubt, though, that he will see the inside of a prison, any more than Cheney or Rumsfeld will, or Pope Benedict. (I figure somebody's got hard evidence on Benedict, but, unlike a lot of people, I think it may be related to the new Vatican banking scandal, not his coverup of the child abuse.) As to Polari, Italians, who tend to be much better informed than our people are, about horrors like the Iraq War, maybe resent their intelligence chief being such a tool, and maybe will put him in prison--but frankly I expect Miami to have a new Italian resident soon (or maybe Bogota? John Kerry said that Colombia is "the model for Latin America," so maybe they need some model dirtbags to fill out the expatriate community.) (Gawd, Kerry! Did you really say that? I still can't believe it--but it's in black and white.)
*Judith Miller was David Kelly's last correspondent, before he was found dead near his home in England, under highly suspicious circumstances. They exchanged emails on his performance before a British intelligence committee that week, at which, visibly upset, he had waffled on his charge that the Blairites had "sexed up" the evidence for WMDs in Iraq. This was the brief email exchange in which he wrote to Miller (on the day he died) about the "many dark actors playing games" (he didn't explain this). My feeling about this latter is that he meant it ironically--that is, that he suspected that she was one of the "dark actors" and perhaps the one who had fingered him to British intelligence as the BBC whistleblower. She had written to say he had done well before the committee according to a "fan" of his who had reported to her; he replied, rather curtly, it seems to me, about "the many dark actors."
Miller and Kelly were colleagues and had written a book together about germ warfare. He was a top British WMD expert and a UN weapons inspector in Iraq (also in Russia). He had supported the Iraq war but then seemed to turn sharply against it, in May 2003, two months after the invasion. It should also be noted that Miller accompanied the U.S. troops who were supposedly hunting for the phantom WMDs in Iraq, and was so involved in the search that she annoyed local commanders by trying to direct it. She claimed to have a signed commission from Donald Rumsfeld giving her authority in that situation. She must have been bitterly disappointed that her "big scoop" didn't materialize. She herself had been instrumental in building up the phantom WMDs.
Kelly, for his part, had gone along with the "Dodgy Dossier" (the "sexed up" case for WMDs in Iraq), but had participated in internal scientific dissent that it was overdone. Later he seemed to regret the "Dodgy Dossier," at which point (May '03) he began whistleblowing, anonymously, to the BBC, thereby became a hunted man and ended up (very probably) murdered, followed by the Hutton report coverup. Many British experts--doctors, coroners, MPs and others--have called for a re-opening of that investigation, most recently last week. There is considerable evidence that he was "suicided" and he may have been one of the victims of Cheney-Rumsfeld's vendetta against the CIA's counter-proliferation project, and perhaps THE one who had foiled their phony WMD scheme (if they had one). He had friends and contacts in Iraq, from his UN inspections, and was in a position to have heard tell of odd weapons movements.
Note: The above narrative is theory--my theory--of the series of events that led to Kelly's death. There are no solid facts about a plan to plant WMDs in Iraq, though there were several intriguing reports--one of them a report about Manucher Ghorbanifar, that he allegedly disguised himself and tried to lure a CIA agent to a location in Iraq where he said that transported nukes had irradiated their carriers, and another separate report that a group toting nukes had met with "friendly fire" out in the desert. My theory makes sense of a lot of things that happened in the spring and summer of 2003, especially July 2003--for instance, the Plame outing and Kelly's death within 3 days of each other, both events intimately connected to the WMDs that weren't in Iraq, and the Bushwhacks' heavy investment in there being WMDs in Iraq. What wouldn't they have done to make it seem true? And what wouldn't they have done to anyone who foiled such a plan, or whom they believed had foiled their plan? But it's the sort of thing that won't be verifiable for many decades, by which time all the "dark actors" will be beyond human justice.
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Response to Peace Patriot (Reply #7)
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:40 AM
AntiFascist (10,799 posts)
9. Thanks for all the details Peace Patriot!
Last edited Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:01 AM - Edit history (1)
In addition to the Niger yellowcake hoax there were also the aluminum tubes imported from Europe which Pollari indicated would allow for enrichment of the uranium using centrifuges. There were no centrifuges in Iraq, but Judith Miller dutifully wrote an extensive article in The New York Times explaining that Saddam could have built an atomic weapon with the tubes:
Double-Crossers and Dilettantes - the Men Behind Nigergate Were All Italians
The military intervention in Iraq was justified by two revelations: Saddam Hussein attempted to acquire unprocessed uranium (yellowcake) in Niger (1) for enrichment with centrifuges built with aluminum tubes imported from Europe (2). The fabricators of the twin hoaxes (there was never any trace in Iraq of unprocessed uranium or centrifuges) were the Italian government and Italian military intelligence. La Repubblica has attempted to reconstruct the who, where and why of the manufacture and transfer to British and American intelligence of the dodgy dossier for war.
óC-SPAN VIDEO: President Bush's 2003 State of the Union Address, Including the 16 Words About Niger Yellowcake, Feb, 28. 2003, 01:05:21
They are the same two hoaxes that Judith Miller, the reporter who betrayed her newspaper, published (together with Michael Gordon) on September 8, 2002. In a lengthy investigative piece for The New York Times, Miller reported that Saddam could have built an atomic weapon with those aluminum tubes. These were the goods that the hawks in the Bush administration were expecting.
The "war dance" which followed Judith Miller's scoop seemed like "carefully-prepared theater" to an attentive media-watcher, Roberto Reale of Ultime Notizie (The Latest News).
So on September 8, 2002, Judith Miller portrays the aluminum tubes as "a smoking gun." The next day, Pollari is seated in front of Stephen Hadley. So what does he tell him? Pollari keeps his mouth shut. He doesn't reveal what he knows about the aluminum tubes, which are the source of so much concern (or even enthusiasm) for the Bush Administration. The shame is that those 7075-T6 tubes, 900 millimeters long, 81 millimeters in diameter, 3.3 millimeters thick, are well-known hardware to the Italian Army. They are 81-mm rocket artillery shells used in the Medusa air-to-ground missile system installed on Italian Army and Navy helicopters. In reality, the Iraqis are merely attempting to reproduce weaponry with which they became familiar during the long years of economic, military and nuclear cooperation between Rome and Baghdad. (Iraq's top army and air force officers trained in Italy during the 1980's). Saddam's General Staff needs to duplicate them, so to speak, because their inventory is stockpiled outdoors and is now corroded. That was the reason behind the new anodized aluminum tube purchases.
Why does Pollari not utter a word? If you ask Greg Thielmann, ex-chief of the State Department Intelligence Service, he'll tell you: But seriously, haven't you yet understood why the chief of Italian military intelligence did not provide us with any indication that would have allowed us to definitively discard the notion that the tubes would be used in someone's nuclear program? Well, I have an idea for you. SISMI, like the CIA and the entire Anglo-Saxon intelligence community, is ready and willing to satisfy the hawks in the US Administration. Thielmann's assertion echoes like a shotgun blast. And the dates will yield solid confirmation.
Response to Eugene (Original post)
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:35 PM
Octafish (37,160 posts)
5. Torture is Freedom's Friend.
Destroying Democracy to save it.
'Those of us who had worked for the Kennedy election were tolerated in the government for that reason and had a say, but foreign policy was still with the Council on Foreign Relations people.' -- J.K. Galbraith