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Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:23 PM

 

DC Comics under fire for hiring anti-gay writer to pen Superman

Source: The Guardian

Superman fans are up in arms at the decision of the publisher to appoint a noted anti-gay writer to pen the Man of Steel's latest adventures.

Comic giant DC has commissioned Orson Scott Card, author of the award-winning and best-selling Ender's Game sci-fi series, to write for DC's Adventures of Superman series. The digital comic is set to be published in April.

The news has sparked a furious backlash from Card's critics. Card is a long-time critic of homosexuality and has called gay marriage "the end of democracy in America". In 2009 he became a board member of the National Organization for Marriage, a group that campaigns against same-sex marriage.

"Superman stands for truth, justice and the American way. Orson Scott Card does not stand for any idea of truth, justice or the American way that I can subscribe to," said Jono Jarrett of Geeks Out, a gay fan group. "It's a deeply disappointing and frankly weird choice."

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2013/feb/11/dc-comics-homophobic-writer-superman



I've rather enjoyed some of Mr Card's writings, and am sad to learn he holds such utterly daft opinions.

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Reply DC Comics under fire for hiring anti-gay writer to pen Superman (Original post)
Ian Iam Feb 2013 OP
Coolest Ranger Feb 2013 #1
cstanleytech Feb 2013 #5
Coolest Ranger Feb 2013 #6
geomon666 Feb 2013 #24
Coolest Ranger Feb 2013 #27
Blue_Tires Feb 2013 #49
Coolest Ranger Feb 2013 #50
DeSwiss Feb 2013 #2
WCGreen Feb 2013 #4
Bucky Feb 2013 #7
DeSwiss Feb 2013 #10
Posteritatis Feb 2013 #3
obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #44
SansACause Feb 2013 #8
Orrex Feb 2013 #12
SansACause Feb 2013 #14
Orrex Feb 2013 #15
cstanleytech Feb 2013 #19
tblue37 Feb 2013 #34
Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #30
ET Awful Feb 2013 #28
theHandpuppet Feb 2013 #29
Posteritatis Feb 2013 #58
McCamy Taylor Feb 2013 #9
Abnredleg Feb 2013 #11
Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #31
onehandle Feb 2013 #13
blkmusclmachine Feb 2013 #16
SansACause Feb 2013 #23
kimmylavin Feb 2013 #17
Ian Iam Feb 2013 #26
kimmylavin Feb 2013 #37
ChaoticTrilby Feb 2013 #18
cstanleytech Feb 2013 #20
ChaoticTrilby Feb 2013 #40
Bradical79 Feb 2013 #45
ChaoticTrilby Feb 2013 #56
Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #32
ChaoticTrilby Feb 2013 #39
indie_voter Feb 2013 #42
ChaoticTrilby Feb 2013 #43
GaYellowDawg Feb 2013 #48
ChaoticTrilby Feb 2013 #55
Tom Ripley Feb 2013 #21
AnnieBW Feb 2013 #22
The Magistrate Feb 2013 #25
Kelvin Mace Feb 2013 #33
Zorra Feb 2013 #35
MicaelS Feb 2013 #36
geomon666 Feb 2013 #38
indie_voter Feb 2013 #41
Codeine Feb 2013 #51
daleanime Feb 2013 #46
sofa king Feb 2013 #47
Nika Feb 2013 #52
Pterodactyl Feb 2013 #53
marshall Feb 2013 #54
Exultant Democracy Feb 2013 #57
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Response to Ian Iam (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:26 PM

1. Superman sales will suffer now because of this

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Response to Coolest Ranger (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:23 PM

5. Do you mean in writing or do you mean because of the backlash?

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:25 PM

6. Because of the backlash

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Response to Coolest Ranger (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:55 AM

24. They've been suffering for a while now. n/t

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Response to geomon666 (Reply #24)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 06:52 AM

27. Wasn't aware of that

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Response to Coolest Ranger (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:19 PM

49. I don't know...Maybe the controversy will boost sales

This whole thing just reeks of a publicity stunt...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #49)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 07:44 AM

50. Because of my partial blindness I haven't bought comics in forever

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Response to Ian Iam (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:43 PM

2. I still prefer when superman.....

...was drawn as a PI.


link


- And his girlfriend was into BDSM......

K&R

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Response to DeSwiss (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:00 PM

4. I got that for Christmas last year....

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Response to DeSwiss (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:28 PM

7. PI? Private Investigator? Public Inquisitor?

Protease inhibitor? Personal injury lawyer? (Data) Processing Instructor? Public intoxication? 3.14?

Argh! I'm so confuse!!








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Response to Bucky (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:56 PM

10. Penile Innoculator

- ''Super'' Penile Innoculator.

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Response to Ian Iam (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:59 PM

3. I like that OSC's being invoked in headlines simply as "anti-gay writer," now. (nt)

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Response to Posteritatis (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:22 PM

44. True, he is also a "misogynist writer"

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Response to Ian Iam (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:36 PM

8. don't confuse an artist with their work

The guy has won a Hugo and a Nebula award for his writing. He may be a douche bag, but that doesn't he's going to write some "anti-gay" storyline, and additionally DC has editors. He previously wrote "Ultimate Iron Man" for Marvel comics, and nobody complained about it.

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Response to SansACause (Reply #8)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:05 PM

12. When an artist foregrounds his political/social views so aggressively...

it's entirely appropriate to consider those views when assessing the author's work. The artist can't rail so vociferously against homosexuality and then complain afterward when people use that as a lens for critiquing his work.


Personally, I don't care for Card's work. I tried--really tried--and failed to get into it about 20 years ago, and that was long before I knew about his primitive and offensive bigotry.

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Response to Orrex (Reply #12)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:29 PM

14. Through a lens, darkly

It's one thing to critique someone's work through in the context of them having a certain belief. It's another to dismiss an author outright because of his views prior to actually reading what he wrote. The thread is that DC hired an "anti-gay" writer to write Superman. If you told me that his other works were anti-gay, including the Iron Man comic that he previously wrote, then I'm inclined to agree that this is an outlet for him to advance his bigoted agenda. However, to my knowledge, no such criticism has been leveled against his previous writings.

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Response to SansACause (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:37 PM

15. A fair point, but I believe that the objection is still valid

I'm honestly not familiar with enough his work to say whether it's anti-gay or not. Contrast that with alleged writer Michael Crichton, some of whose later works were straight-up climate-denier propaganda.

Even so, since Card has foregrounded himself and his bigoted views, there is nothing wrong with a would-be reader electing not to read a work specifically because that author is an offensive bigot. His views may or may not inform his work, but the author himself can certainly inform a critic's choice to avoid him.

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Response to Orrex (Reply #15)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 10:04 PM

19. Oh there isnt any doubt that he is a bigoted ass but as for his writing....

*shrug* Everyone has a different opinion on that.
I for example enjoyed Enders Game and Speaker for the Dead but not the rest of his works just like I enjoyed David Weber and John Ringos Marching Upcountry series even though Ringo comes across as a complete and utter asshole in the novels he has written on his own.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #19)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:42 AM

34. In the Ender series, the best book is _Xenocide_, I think. nt

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Response to SansACause (Reply #14)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 07:51 AM

30. Orson made the decision to exploit his bigotry as what he thought would be a marketing tool for

his own profit, but instead his views make people dislike his work. That's the market at work, kid, he thought being anti gay would sell books, he was wrong.
Clearly, his objectives in life have to do in part with communicating his anti gay sentiments more than any other, for that is what he made famous.

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Response to SansACause (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 06:57 AM

28. Yes, but based on his stance, hiring him in any capacity is like hiring Fred Phelps.

If a business I frequent hires an outspoken bigot, I'll stop frequenting that business.

An author is no different, nor is a publication that employs that author.

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Response to ET Awful (Reply #28)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 07:29 AM

29. Exacty. Thanks.

DC has a right to hire him as I have a right to boycott.

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Response to SansACause (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:12 PM

58. Card lost the ability to separate his politics from his work years ago.

Also, given a lot of DC's stunts the last few years, the existence of their editors doesn't fill me with boundless optimism.

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Response to Ian Iam (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:44 PM

9. Why is Mr. Card so fixated on homosexuality?

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:58 PM

11. Religion plays a role

He's very active in the Mormon Church.

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Response to Abnredleg (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 07:55 AM

31. So his religion just 'plays a role'?

He believes in the God of Kaloob, a planet which does not exist.
The idea of a sci fi writer who buys into such nonsense being worth reading is just laughable.

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Response to Ian Iam (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:11 PM

13. I had no idea about that, but I've met him. He's a douchebag. nt

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Response to Ian Iam (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:43 PM

16. Boo!

Stick to Marvel. I know I will!

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Response to blkmusclmachine (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:03 PM

23. Ultimate Iron Man

Card wrote "Ultimate Iron Man" for Marvel. From 2005-2008.

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Response to Ian Iam (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:43 PM

17. It really bothers me that he can hold such hateful views...

He has also written some very nasty things about President Obama.

I hate it, because I truly loved his books.
Haven't been able to read one in a while, though...

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Response to kimmylavin (Reply #17)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:16 AM

26. Totally in the Dark

 

I hadn't realized he was anti-Obama, either.

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Response to Ian Iam (Reply #26)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:34 PM

37. Oh, he came around to that position.

Here's one of the nicer essays, in that his attack is on the media...
http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2012-11-08-1.html

And the DU thread on that one...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021822389

Seems he started out as a self-identified Democrat with social conservative leanings, and then lost his ever-loving mind.
Just google "Orson Scott Card Obama."

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Response to Ian Iam (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:44 PM

18. The only book of his that I've read was "Ender's Game"

I actually loved it a whole lot. Heck, I even found its message to be a very sweet, melancholy, one...I was sad to learn about his views. However, for the most part, he seems able to keep his horrid views from interfering with his writing. So, I have mixed feelings on this news. On the one hand, I'm always glad when a racist/homophobe/anti-semite/misogynist/etc. is called out for it. As far as I'm concerned, these views need to become steeped in as much infamy as possible.

And yet...

The guy is a pretty good writer, from what I've read. So, the idea of him having his creativity stifled by society because he's a rotten-to-the-core ass-hole makes me, well...uncertain. Should he go on to write the comics anyway, I'm pretty sure that this backlash will make editors HEAVILY weary of any homophobia that could leak into the comics and react accordingly. With that in mind, I'd kind've be interested in seeing what his ideas are for Superman.

And, if any of his comics are shown to have homophobic undertones, well, get rid of him and make a sincere public apology. That's just the way I see it. Of course, with this backlash, there's a good chance that the Superman comics are going to go down in sales if they keep OSC at the helm, so...we'll just have to see where this goes.

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Response to ChaoticTrilby (Reply #18)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 10:06 PM

20. You might want to consider trying Speaker for the Dead then.

I wouldnt recommend the other novels in the series though nor do I claim to have enjoyed his other works but Speaker wasnt to bad as far as sequels go.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #20)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:07 PM

40. Thank you.

I'll keep that in mind, though I'm now a little weary about supporting his sort...Maybe I'll read Speaker for the Dead if I get the chance to do so without paying for it. Again, thanks for the recommendation.

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Response to ChaoticTrilby (Reply #40)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:10 AM

45. To the library!

Not sure what your local library system is like, but mine has saved me a fortune on books

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Response to Bradical79 (Reply #45)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:07 PM

56. I move around a lot.

Thus, I've found it difficult to keep track of local libraries, but I think my current one is pretty good. It's just difficult to drive over to, since that area is always heavy in traffic.

Nevertheless, I can imagine that using the library more often would save me a good deal of money, just as it has for you. Happy reading.

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Response to ChaoticTrilby (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:04 AM

32. So your idea is that creativity requires millions in compensation or it is 'stifled'?

I can not stand his writing it is dogmatic, brittle, mean of heart, cold, and nonsensical. His books all reek of homophobia and other bigotry, if you can't see that, that might be why you are promoting this crap here today.
DC can go to hell, no more of their products, period, for all time. They want to hire hate, what they will get in return is apathy and lots of jokes about the fact that they hire fundie bigots to lead their creative team.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #32)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:03 PM

39. Woah, nelly! That was not what I meant.

I apologize if my post came off that way. I meant that, should a writer avoid discussing their personal neo-con views in the actual writing they're being hired for, I could understand giving them as much of a shot as any other more progressive-minded writer would get unless they prove to be unable to keep from proselytizing via art. To do otherwise does make it more difficult for some creative minds to get their ideas out than it does for others, though I'll admit it doesn't exactly "stifle" - not the right word choice on my part, I suppose, and I apologize for that - them.

Also, I was not promoting his works - just offering an opinion of what I have read. Ender's Game had absolutely no homophobic undertones, as far as I could tell. Perhaps, I just didn't squint hard enough? If his other works are bigoted, then I've not caught any whiffs of it from the few plot summaries and excerpts I've read. Maybe they are, and maybe I would see it if I went and read them. I don't know, so I'll have to take your word for it. If he cannot keep his horrid views to himself, then I would agree with heaping scorn on DC for even considering him. At the time, I didn't blame them, since I just assumed they liked his writing style and possibly didn't know about his views (as a lot of people apparently don't.)

Please note, I am completely pro-LGBT, anti-bigotry, and progressive. I am also an amateur writer and major reader. I just happened to like one book of this guy's and, at the time, liked the idea of maybe seeing what OSC had in mind for Superman. If he really can't keep from going on author tracts and coloring his works with fundamentalist crap though, then (as I saw it) to Hell with him and DC if they hire him. I'm genuinely sorry if I offended you with my post. Perhaps, I was blinded by how much I liked the book I read that I didn't mind the idea of OSC being hired as a writer so long as he kept his blasted views to himself? Maybe. I now realize it would be best if his sort were kept from being given any spotlight at all, as it is not deserved.

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Response to ChaoticTrilby (Reply #39)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:23 PM

42. It's not just his views though. He actively lobbies to curtail rights.

He was (is still, I don't know) on the board of directors of NOM. He is a vocal voice in the fight to deny people their rights.

He might be the best writer known to man but that doesn't excuse what he does with his life. He is dedicating part of it to the anti marriage equality.

He isn't a passive bystander who disagrees with marriage equality, he's player in the fight against it.

Everyone of course has the right to buy or not buy his work. I personally refuse to support this man with a cent of my money.

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Response to indie_voter (Reply #42)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:02 PM

43. I agree that his writing does not excuse his actions.

I don't remember ever saying otherwise, though I'll admit that I was not informed about what exactly he had done against my cause at the time I wrote that post. I can't stand the man's views or what I've read of his horrible "articles" on the subject and I admitted in the end of the post you replied to that I'd changed my mind, and that I'd been blinded from by my love for one of his books as well as my curiosity about what other (non-bigoted) ideas he had. This guy does not deserve any spotlight or money, as I know now. He is an unequivocal ass about trying to stifle other peoples' rights, so I won't support him.

Indeed, even before I knew about his views, I didn't pay to read Ender's Game. Thankfully, I borrowed it from my school library. I have not given a single cent to him and, for that, I'm glad. And, for that matter, I'll never give him my money. Even if DC weren't to get its act straight and get rid of him, I wouldn't buy his comic. I might flip through it while standing in a store, just out of curiosity, but I wouldn't buy it.

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Response to ChaoticTrilby (Reply #43)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 03:48 PM

48. I have liked a lot of what he's written

When I found out about his views, I started buying his books at used bookstores. I still got to read them, and he didn't get a penny.

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Response to GaYellowDawg (Reply #48)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:04 PM

55. Good idea.

That, or the library, ought to work. No need to support him, even if some of his art is good.

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Response to Ian Iam (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 10:13 PM

21. I thought Card would just create a new character...Morman

Faster than a speeding Amway scam
Able to leap tall marks in a single con
It's a shuck
It's a jive
It's Morman!

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Response to Tom Ripley (Reply #21)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 10:16 PM

22. Flies around in his Magic Underwear!

Able to spew fabricated history in one breath!

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Response to Tom Ripley (Reply #21)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:58 AM

25. Excellent, Sir!

Very nicely done....

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Response to Ian Iam (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:34 AM

33. Yeah, he lives in my back yard

and disgraces himself and humanity regularly writing for a local right-wing weekly.

DC has the right to hire whoever they wish, and we are free not to buy the comic (and to let DC know why we will not but the comic).

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Response to Ian Iam (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:07 PM

35. It may soon be discovered that Superman is actually an angel from the planet Kolob. nt

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Response to Ian Iam (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:18 PM

36. DC Comics went to shit after Dan DiDio...

Rammed the "reboot" of the Dc Continuity through. So I'm not surprised that anything that happens with DC these days.

Looking forward to the "Man of Steel" movie, as well as the Justice League Movie (assuming they ever make it).

The best thing about DC these days is the DC Universe Animated Original Movies.

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Response to MicaelS (Reply #36)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 06:45 PM

38. +1

I stopped reading DC after the reboot and I tried to give it a chance but it's just unreadable to me. I have to thank them for turning me towards more independent work. I've found some really good stuff I wouldn't have otherwise bothered looking for.

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Response to MicaelS (Reply #36)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:17 PM

41. I'll never understand how he was promoted.

He was responsible for that awful Countdown (to nowhere) among other things. Promoting him to put out the many fires he was directly responsible for amazed me.

This current reboot was not thought out well at all and it shows.

Fortunately Adventures of Superman is a digital first out of continuity anthology series, Card will be writing the first couple issues and then another creator comes on board.

I am not going to check it out until Card finishes his run. I refuse to support this man with my money.

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Response to MicaelS (Reply #36)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 08:08 AM

51. My family and I have really enjoyed the reboot.

Getting out from under a lot of suffocating continuity that only really appealed to a bunch of middle-aged men opened up reading opportunities for people who didn't want to spend their funnybook time trying to piece together a half-century of convoluted and contradictory backstory and let them get on with enjoying the characters. We used the reboot to get into DC in a big, big way.

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Response to Ian Iam (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 02:48 AM

46. It sad that such a good writer....

turns out to be a twit.

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Response to Ian Iam (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 04:22 AM

47. Good luck with that, Orson.

Let's see. Superman:

* Wears a speedo;

* Lives alone;

* Leads a double life, literally hiding in the closet to change into his preferred clothing;

* Refuses to seal the deal with Lois Lane;

* Has a thing for crystal.

Nope, nothing gay about Superman. Nothing at all.

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Response to Ian Iam (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 07:42 PM

52. I liked Ender's Game and books in that story line

But Mr. Card's opinions came to light to me after reading those books and I confess it has put me off him as an author.

He gets no more business from me. Even if I get other books gratis by him, I'll just pass them along without a read.

Life is too short to do business with haters of this gendre.

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Response to Ian Iam (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 09:54 PM

53. The should not have used "under fire" in the title.

It might encourage someone to go on a shooting rampage.

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Response to Ian Iam (Original post)

Fri Feb 15, 2013, 09:59 AM

54. Dale Lazarov has it right, in my opinion

He is truly fair in saying : "I've known Orson Scott Card is a raging homophobe since the early 90s. I refuse to buy or read his work. But asking that he be denied work because he is a raging homophobe is taking it too far. Asking for workplace discrimination for any reason is counterproductive for those who want to end discrimination on their own behalf."

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Response to marshall (Reply #54)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:07 PM

57. Bigot isn't a protected class, it's not discrimination it is discernment to avoid hiring bigots.

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Response to Exultant Democracy (Reply #57)

Wed Feb 20, 2013, 06:21 PM

59. Particularly when said bigots actively, stridently work to curtail others' rights

Card's not just upset that gays can marry in some places, he's upset that they aren't being imprisoned or worse when discovered. He's upset that they exist, that they're allowed to live. He's donned the white hood for any number of other groups as well. The guy is actively harming others and intends to continue to do so, and on a more immediate level he's been less and less able to keep his views out of his work for years.

When someone's as outspoken in their hatred as Card's gotten in the last decade - pushing that's as much his day job these days as writing has ever been - actively seeking him out to hire him is at least an acceptance of his views, and possibly an active endorsement of them. If a company pulls a move like that, they're going to get a bucket full of Reaction dumped on their head. DC might have been too naive to consider the reaction from this one, or they might not have, but if a company does something staggeringly offensive and faces public pressure as a result it's, as you say, absolutely not a case of their (or Card's) civil rights being violated.

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Response to Ian Iam (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2013, 10:25 PM

60. I think all the hype about this will unintentionally increase sales.

Frankly, I had no idea Card was going to write for Superman, but now it is all over the internet. I think it will actually increase interest in the books.

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