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Judi Lynn (77,643 posts)

Comedienne Sarah Silverman’s sister arrested at Western Wall in Jerusalem for wearing male prayer sh

Source: Independent

Comedienne Sarah Silverman’s sister arrested at Western Wall in Jerusalem for wearing male prayer shawl
Alistair Dawber
Monday 11 February 2013

The sister of comedian Sarah Silverman was arrested at Jerusalem’s Western Wall today for wearing a male prayer shawl during an attempt by women to pray at Judaism’s holiest site.

Rabbi Susan Silverman – a member of the liberal Reform movement - and her daughter Hallel, were detained by police for wearing a blue and white tallitot, a shawl reserved only for orthodox men. Rabbi Silverman belongs to ‘Women of the Wall’ – a group that visits the site each month wearing traditionally male religious garb. Yesterday as many as 300 people gathered at the Western Wall in Jerusalem’s Old City, to protest at the orthodox control of the site.

The issue of women praying at the Western Wall is fraught. Only a small section of the ancient site is reserved for women, with the rest given over to male worship. Before last month’s general election, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that he would consider ways of making the situation more equitable, despite a 2003 Supreme Court decision that upheld the divide.

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The police confirmed that the arrests of 10 women were connected to the wearing of “male style” tallitot. The monthly prayer sessions are usually highly charged, and often there are arrests.

Read more: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/comedienne-sarah-silvermans-sister-arrested-at-western-wall-in-jerusalem-for-wearing-male-prayer-shawl-8490591.html

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Comedienne Sarah Silverman’s sister arrested at Western Wall in Jerusalem for wearing male prayer sh (Original post)	Judi Lynn	Feb 2013	OP
I thought Israel was a democracy? I guess it is more of a demockracy.	CBGLuthier	Feb 2013	#1
Careful.	ForgoTheConsequence	Feb 2013	#3
A friend of the family is a Reformed Rabbi that moved to Jerusalem from New York .	Ikonoklast	Feb 2013	#46
That's just awful nt	DesertRat	Feb 2013	#65
+1	sakabatou	Feb 2013	#82
It's their parliamentary system that is causing the problem.	R Merm	Feb 2013	#18
That, and it is a religious state...	SkyDaddy7	Feb 2013	#78
Only if the voters elect representatives who want equality	Freddie Stubbs	Feb 2013	#91
"YOU CAN"T PRAY AT MY SECTION OF THE WALL!!"	louis-t	Feb 2013	#2
god's rules, ya know	Voice for Peace	Feb 2013	#17
The Orthodox/Ultra-Orthodox rules are backward.	sakabatou	Feb 2013	#83
Well. what do you know?	warrant46	Feb 2013	#4
Arrest them !!! for praying in OUR spot !!!	tomm2thumbs	Feb 2013	#5
Why must you women vex us men so?	maxsolomon	Feb 2013	#6
I'm guessing that God really doesn't give a shit.	Brickbat	Feb 2013	#7
I'm guessing there is no god to give a shit. nt	msanthrope	Feb 2013	#22
Exactly.	Brickbat	Feb 2013	#23
Thank you	Scairp	Feb 2013	#40
do you feel that way about every country with a state religion or just Israel?	Mosby	Feb 2013	#43
Oh, I most certainly do!	GliderGuider	Feb 2013	#35
I can't wait until alien life visits us..	snooper2	Feb 2013	#8
{{{chuckle}}} eom	Purveyor	Feb 2013	#13
What makes you think	relayerbob	Feb 2013	#27
Pretty long trip to make from anywhere..	snooper2	Feb 2013	#37
backwards religion	RedstDem	Feb 2013	#9
It sure does seem that way! n/t	Wind Dancer	Feb 2013	#36
Maybe some members of a religion but not necessrily all .....	meti57b	Feb 2013	#74
There is progress, the Independent did not really report the story	Mosby	Feb 2013	#10
This is different from the Taliban, how?	SCVDem	Feb 2013	#11
Well, they didn't beat or shoot them.	Xithras	Feb 2013	#14
Good point. nt	ZombieHorde	Feb 2013	#62
Unless your name is Rachel Corrie, then they just run you over with a bulldozer (nt)	The Straight Story	Feb 2013	#81
Seriously?	leftynyc	Feb 2013	#19
Someone's never seen Palestine...	Katashi_itto	Feb 2013	#49
what the hell?	Mosby	Feb 2013	#70
whats yours? Anyone who spouts "agenda" has an agenda	Katashi_itto	Feb 2013	#73
Forgetting is easy even if history repeats itself	davidpdx	Feb 2013	#76
You don't know what you are talking about	Ash_F	Feb 2013	#77
lol, you need to update your talking points	Mosby	Feb 2013	#87
I'm not going to waste my time on you	Ash_F	Feb 2013	#88
Perfectly sensible practice deserving of our respect.	Iggo	Feb 2013	#12
Wait, you have to orthodox to wear a blue and white tallis?	surrealAmerican	Feb 2013	#15
No - the tallot is reserved for men	leftynyc	Feb 2013	#21
It is a smaller section.	R Merm	Feb 2013	#26
Is that a recent picture?	leftynyc	Feb 2013	#31
I was there this past summer, and that is how it looked then.	R Merm	Feb 2013	#61
It is less than half, and I have a friend who was attacked at the Wall	obamanut2012	Feb 2013	#68
This message was self-deleted by its author	Mosby	Feb 2013	#71
She should have paid a visit to the beard seller!	klook	Feb 2013	#16
This reminds me so much of seeing blacks only restrooms and whites only restrooms as a kid	groundloop	Feb 2013	#20
Yep	relayerbob	Feb 2013	#28
I remember segregation well. I grew up in the South in the '50s.	RebelOne	Feb 2013	#50
i remember seeing signs when i went through the south in the late 50`s	madrchsod	Feb 2013	#63
I'm surprised that this post hasn't been "censored."	RoccoR5955	Feb 2013	#24
There's still time	DesertRat	Feb 2013	#66
I'm sure it's been "reported"	davidpdx	Feb 2013	#75
I guess the world would go all topsy turvy for them if women prayed at "their" spot.	TwilightGardener	Feb 2013	#25
Tell me that isn't a Theocracy	libodem	Feb 2013	#29
There is	obama2terms	Feb 2013	#42
I watched a Saturday's morning	libodem	Feb 2013	#48
No, it's not a familiar prayer and only the Orthodox use the traditional version	Mosby	Feb 2013	#53
Are there any women here today?	Xipe Totec	Feb 2013	#30
Guardian:Sarah Silverman's sister among 10 detained in Jerusalem	Judi Lynn	Feb 2013	#32
Blog by a Rabbi who was there	R Merm	Feb 2013	#67
Meanwhile: COMEDIAN	cactusfractal	Feb 2013	#33
+1000	Cal Carpenter	Feb 2013	#84
Israel is not a 51st State.	Cary	Feb 2013	#34
It's not THAT hard to understand!	Wind Dancer	Feb 2013	#38
Yes, Orthodox Judaism is sexist.	Cary	Feb 2013	#39
"Outsiders" like women on this board noting sexism? Well, let me tell you something, Cary---	msanthrope	Feb 2013	#44
That's nice Msanthrope	Cary	Feb 2013	#45
Israel doesn't sound like a very secular state to me if they have to make compromises, as you claim,	msanthrope	Feb 2013	#47
It IS a secular state. It was founded by	marybourg	Feb 2013	#52
Indeed. A friend of mine described to me her problems with trying to get married in Israel.	msanthrope	Feb 2013	#54
As I said, the moral authority has been ceded to those who claim it as their right.	marybourg	Feb 2013	#55
You're entitled to your opinion.	Cary	Feb 2013	#58
Violations of women's rights are a universal concern.	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#56
Of course you wouldn't be pre-disposed towards this conclusion?	Cary	Feb 2013	#60
What part do you dispute? nt	geek tragedy	Feb 2013	#69
My sarcasm was specific.	Cary	Feb 2013	#72
Oh please	Cal Carpenter	Feb 2013	#85
You don't know me and it's pretty clear to me you don't know much about Israel.	Cary	Feb 2013	#89
Oh orthodox Judaism	obama2terms	Feb 2013	#41
Thank you for sharing your insights	libodem	Feb 2013	#51
So they would probably beat all Reform and Conservative Jews?	Manifestor_of_Light	Feb 2013	#57
I could give you a worse story...	Cary	Feb 2013	#90
This is why I hate religion	PasadenaTrudy	Feb 2013	#59
Sad. I hate to see people arrested for victimless crimes. nt	ZombieHorde	Feb 2013	#64
She was released after a few hours	oberliner	Feb 2013	#79
This is a once a month prayer group.	R Merm	Feb 2013	#80
Cross dressing is frowned on in that part of the world	marshall	Feb 2013	#86

Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:01 PM

CBGLuthier (8,943 posts)

1. I thought Israel was a democracy? I guess it is more of a demockracy.

All MEN are made equal. Women, not so much...

Disgusting old world values.

Comedienne Sarah Silverman’s sister arrested at Western Wall in Jerusalem for wearing male prayer sh

1. I thought Israel was a democracy? I guess it is more of a demockracy.

3. Careful.

46. A friend of the family is a Reformed Rabbi that moved to Jerusalem from New York .

65. That's just awful nt

82. +1

18. It's their parliamentary system that is causing the problem.

78. That, and it is a religious state...

91. Only if the voters elect representatives who want equality

2. "YOU CAN"T PRAY AT MY SECTION OF THE WALL!!"

17. god's rules, ya know

83. The Orthodox/Ultra-Orthodox rules are backward.

4. Well. what do you know?

5. Arrest them !!! for praying in OUR spot !!!

6. Why must you women vex us men so?

7. I'm guessing that God really doesn't give a shit.

22. I'm guessing there is no god to give a shit. nt

23. Exactly.

40. Thank you

43. do you feel that way about every country with a state religion or just Israel?

35. Oh, I most certainly do!

8. I can't wait until alien life visits us..

13. {{{chuckle}}} eom

27. What makes you think

37. Pretty long trip to make from anywhere..

9. backwards religion

36. It sure does seem that way! n/t

74. Maybe some members of a religion but not necessrily all .....

10. There is progress, the Independent did not really report the story

11. This is different from the Taliban, how?

14. Well, they didn't beat or shoot them.

62. Good point. nt

81. Unless your name is Rachel Corrie, then they just run you over with a bulldozer (nt)

19. Seriously?

49. Someone's never seen Palestine...

70. what the hell?

73. whats yours? Anyone who spouts "agenda" has an agenda

76. Forgetting is easy even if history repeats itself

77. You don't know what you are talking about

87. lol, you need to update your talking points

88. I'm not going to waste my time on you

12. Perfectly sensible practice deserving of our respect.

15. Wait, you have to orthodox to wear a blue and white tallis?

21. No - the tallot is reserved for men

26. It is a smaller section.

31. Is that a recent picture?

61. I was there this past summer, and that is how it looked then.

68. It is less than half, and I have a friend who was attacked at the Wall

16. She should have paid a visit to the beard seller!

20. This reminds me so much of seeing blacks only restrooms and whites only restrooms as a kid

28. Yep

50. I remember segregation well. I grew up in the South in the '50s.

63. i remember seeing signs when i went through the south in the late 50`s

24. I'm surprised that this post hasn't been "censored."

66. There's still time

75. I'm sure it's been "reported"

25. I guess the world would go all topsy turvy for them if women prayed at "their" spot.

29. Tell me that isn't a Theocracy

42. There is

48. I watched a Saturday's morning

53. No, it's not a familiar prayer and only the Orthodox use the traditional version

30. Are there any women here today?

32. Guardian:Sarah Silverman's sister among 10 detained in Jerusalem

67. Blog by a Rabbi who was there

33. Meanwhile: COMEDIAN

84. +1000

34. Israel is not a 51st State.

38. It's not THAT hard to understand!

39. Yes, Orthodox Judaism is sexist.

44. "Outsiders" like women on this board noting sexism? Well, let me tell you something, Cary---

45. That's nice Msanthrope

47. Israel doesn't sound like a very secular state to me if they have to make compromises, as you claim,

52. It IS a secular state. It was founded by

54. Indeed. A friend of mine described to me her problems with trying to get married in Israel.

55. As I said, the moral authority has been ceded to those who claim it as their right.

58. You're entitled to your opinion.

56. Violations of women's rights are a universal concern.

60. Of course you wouldn't be pre-disposed towards this conclusion?

69. What part do you dispute? nt

72. My sarcasm was specific.