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Sat Feb 9, 2013, 03:31 PM

US Pulls Plug on Iran Cable News (Press TV)

Source: Common Dreams

As part of the United States expansive new sanctions against Iran, North American cable networks have pulled the plug on the country's state-run, English-language news network Press TV.

Calling the move a "flagrant violation of freedom of speech," Press TV announced Saturday that they had been dropped from the Galaxy 19 satellite platform which had previously broadcast the channel in the United States and Canada.

New sanctions announced by the US Treasury Department this week blacklisted Iran's state-run television network, the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB), as well as its director, Ezatollah Zarghami.

“So long as Iran continues to fail to address the concerns of the international community about its nuclear program, the U.S. will impose tighter sanctions against the Iranian regime,” David S. Cohen, Treasury Under Secretary for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence, said in a statement. “We will also target those in Iran who are responsible for human right abuses, especially those who deny the Iranian people their basic freedoms of expression, assembly and speech.”

Read more: http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/02/09-2

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Reply US Pulls Plug on Iran Cable News (Press TV) (Original post)
alp227 Feb 2013 OP
EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #1
Hell Hath No Fury Feb 2013 #6
PatrynXX Feb 2013 #18
KoKo Feb 2013 #62
pangaia Feb 2013 #9
RKP5637 Feb 2013 #32
pangaia Feb 2013 #36
RKP5637 Feb 2013 #44
pangaia Feb 2013 #46
RKP5637 Feb 2013 #55
Socal31 Feb 2013 #50
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Deep13 Feb 2013 #31
limpyhobbler Feb 2013 #38
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leveymg Feb 2013 #2
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lib2DaBone Feb 2013 #17
Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #28
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daleo Feb 2013 #19
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Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #3
KoKo Feb 2013 #10
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cali Feb 2013 #78
KoKo Feb 2013 #83
Katorama Feb 2013 #34
KoKo Feb 2013 #5
Cleita Feb 2013 #21
KoKo Feb 2013 #26
Cleita Feb 2013 #33
Katorama Feb 2013 #35
dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 #39
KoKo Feb 2013 #60
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bunnies Feb 2013 #8
dlwickham Feb 2013 #11
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alp227 Feb 2013 #14
KoKo Feb 2013 #16
alp227 Feb 2013 #47
KoKo Feb 2013 #49
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dlwickham Feb 2013 #20
KoKo Feb 2013 #27
dlwickham Feb 2013 #65
Katorama Feb 2013 #41
joshcryer Feb 2013 #58
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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 03:39 PM

1. Only American-born citizens should be allowed to broadcast news in the US, anyway. nt

 

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Response to EastKYLiberal (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 03:45 PM

6. Are you sure you're ...

on the right board? CBC, BBC, and Al Jazeera English are some of the best broadcasts out there.

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Response to Hell Hath No Fury (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 04:49 PM

18. albeit

Iran's channel is less outright biased than RT.

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Response to PatrynXX (Reply #18)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 09:11 PM

62. And...what is it that bothers you about RT?

Do you listen to RT/Russia or is it RT/America/Question that you have a problem with?

What exactly is your problem with either or one or the other?

Do you feel that Americans should be denied access to them...if so WHY?

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Response to EastKYLiberal (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 03:50 PM

9. Why do you feel that way?

I have to agree with "Hell hath No Fury." The news available through most American owned outlets is so adolescent, primitive and infantile as to be nearly useless. It wasn't always this way.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 06:27 PM

32. Well said! Most American owned outlets are now absolutely adolescent. If one listens to Press TV, RT

or Aljazeera and then US news, US news is infantile. This reminds me of the Iron Curtain. In the old days, then, the US would have used radio wave jamming, similar to what we criticized others of doing. Herein lies the problem with the internet, and control of content. Some of us like to hear what them, over there are saying ... it's being well informed. During the cold war one could always hear Radio Moscow on SW radio.


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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #32)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 06:50 PM

36. Couldn't agree more.

Just gave you my first heart.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #36)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 07:21 PM

44. Thanks!!!

Just gave you my first heart too!

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #44)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 07:43 PM

46. Ooohh.. now we're lovers.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #46)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 08:42 PM

55. LOL

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #32)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 08:08 PM

50. You had me up until RT.

I like reading it for the entertainment factor, but it is pretty bad otherwise. Still I recommend reading it to people who are bright enough to know who funds it and why the stories are presented like they are.

English Language Al-Jazeera is a much better choice, but I also read English language news from SK, and China. Not so much for the news, but for the message boards. I like to read what the common citizen thinks.

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Response to EastKYLiberal (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 06:14 PM

24. I can't tell if this is sarcastic or merely stupid. (nt)

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Response to Posteritatis (Reply #24)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 08:21 PM

52. I took it as sarcasm, but many others didn't. I'm not going to worry about it much.

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Response to EastKYLiberal (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 06:26 PM

31. "Congress shall make no law...

...respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

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Response to EastKYLiberal (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 06:58 PM

38. You want to ban the BBC from the US? Sounds dumb.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #38)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 07:03 PM

40. Don't forget the bit about citizenship tiers, too. (nt)

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Response to EastKYLiberal (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:44 AM

74. Maybe. Rupert Murdoch's Fox would be silenced. Both Murdoch and his biggest investor

who is Saudi Arabian as I understand it were born outside the U.S.

No. Let them speak.

Who listens to Iranian media anyway. I didn't even know they broadcast into the US.

I don't like censorship of any kind, not even based on the nationality or the financial supporters of the media.

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Response to EastKYLiberal (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:23 PM

89. No more Fox!

nt

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Response to EastKYLiberal (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:58 AM

96. Um. What?

That's just so amazingly stupid I'm not sure I have words for it.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 03:41 PM

2. Does anyone find the stated rationale for this to be a bit strange?

“We will also target those in Iran who are responsible for human right abuses, especially those who deny the Iranian people their basic freedoms of expression


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Response to leveymg (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 03:43 PM

4. +1

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Response to leveymg (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 03:49 PM

7. well....we know that "target" is used very

"broadly" these days.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 04:31 PM

17. Strange rationale for sure....

 

The government is SO concerned about the civil rights of other countries....

At home they impose NDAA, wire tap Emails and phone calls without warrant, and put their hands down the pants of citizens at the airport.

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Response to lib2DaBone (Reply #17)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 06:23 PM

28. +8,034

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Response to lib2DaBone (Reply #17)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 09:08 PM

61. Ain't it great! And we call if freedom! Go USA!!! Go USA!!! Go USA!!!

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Response to leveymg (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 04:58 PM

19. Nice.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 06:57 PM

37. We both know that hypocritical rationale has been a bedrock of gov't hypocrisy for decades.

It is as if the Gov't does not even hear itself anymore.
ok, if ever.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 03:43 PM

3. There's an Iranian news channel on US cable systems?

None I've ever seen.

This won't exactly be a big deal. Something else is going on.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 03:51 PM

10. Oh...Press TV is available and it is a big deal to those of us

who watch media from abroad. Some cables have access to foreign news for those from abroad who live and work here. I guess Iranian citizens and students and others who have Visa's here will now be denied access. Punished for being an ethnic group that our American Govt. has declared on their "unapproved list."

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Response to KoKo (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 03:58 PM

12. I guess I've never been in a big enough market to have seen it.

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Response to KoKo (Reply #10)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 04:08 AM

78. I think it's utterly silly to ban Press. I also think that relying

on state run propaganda for news, is absurd.

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Response to cali (Reply #78)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:13 AM

83. Well..our news is "Corporate/Owned/filtered" Propaganda...in many cases

What's the dif?

Check out the Bill Moyers link downthread here.

Moyers and "Democracy Now" are about it for discussion and diverse opinion on US Media. There are a few online shows that try...like "The Real News" and indies that pick up Sam Seder and a few others...but, they aren't widely available to average Americans.

http://billmoyers.com/

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 06:44 PM

34. Maybe the military is pissed off because Iran figured out how to decode American drones.

 

We live in Mysterious Times.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 03:44 PM

5. I thought America was the Land of Freedom from Censorship

Why are Americans censored from being able to view media from other countries.

What's next? Will our libraries and bookstores, plus E-Book sellers ban books from countries we don't approve of?

This is dangerous stuff.

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Response to KoKo (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 05:39 PM

21. We have always been censored.

When I lived in Chile I had access to Russian movies and periodicals which we weren't allowed to get here in the USA during the cold war.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #21)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 06:18 PM

26. True..We have always been censored..but, we didn't know...Now we know

...shouldn't we do something about it?

Should this be the norm that we are told we are the Land of Free Speech while other countries propagandize their people? We are "supposed" to be bringing freedom and democracy and rights of Free Speech and Though to millions who live under what are known as Regimes who try to suppress their people.

We did it before...should we continue to do it now that we know what has been done that we weren't aware of until after the fact?

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Response to KoKo (Reply #26)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 06:27 PM

33. In my area they are drying up funding for the libraries, so now they are open shorter hours

in shorter weeks. I notice they have more Hannity than Bill Press on their political shelves too. Maybe it's because the Heritage Foundation and other right wing think tanks donate the RW drivelers published works to the libraries who can't afford to buy very much any more. It's like a plan to keep us uninformed. Now they are shriveling the Post Office where many of us get our periodicals by subscription that no longer seem to be available in the mag sections of the stores. It seems they are working on limiting what we can access on the internet too. They just haven't figured out how yet. Welcome to the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany.

I really don't know how we are going to go about getting the attention of those who can do something about this. If we can't get their attention about wars, Gitmo and drones, why would they listen to us about preserving our free speech?

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Response to KoKo (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 06:46 PM

35. Our news media is controlled by advertisers, as is our entertainment industry. No big surprise here.

 

Anyone remember Kimberly Clark vs. Ed Asner/Lou Grant?

One of the best shows ever on television run down by a corporation.

Land of the Free and all that rot.

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Response to KoKo (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 06:59 PM

39. Hve you ever seen the difference between the US version of Newsweek

and the European version?
The covers are very very different.
Thank god the internet does allow wider access to non-US news.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #39)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 09:07 PM

60. Yes, indeed. Also the difference between CNN International and US CNN

also business channel CNBC EUROPE...CNBC AMERICA....it goes on and on.

In a touted by our Government "Global Economy" when we are supposedly Democratizing other Nations and doing Drone Strikes it would seem the American People should be exposed to the views of other Countries and especially those we choose to pick fights with.

I'm from Vietnam Era....I will never forget what was done there. This is our Tax Money going for our battles and now we are denied access to a voice that we hope to Democratize? Tell me how this makes sense?

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Response to KoKo (Reply #60)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 09:39 PM

63. It has never made sense.

"they" just went underground until the 1980s, then become more and more brazen and public.
Tis tje way it has always been.
Peace is the aberration.
War is the norm.
Sigh.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 03:49 PM

8. People will just watch it online.

Big whoop.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 03:52 PM

11. is it real news or just propaganda put out by the government

I'm betting propaganda so I have no problem with what the cable networks are doing

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Response to dlwickham (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 04:01 PM

13. You do realize that we have been using "Voice of America"

for decades to push the "American Viewpoint" on countries that we feel need "enlightening" to our "freedoms."

Edited Post: For current name: VOA.

You do realize that America was settled in large part by those escaping their countries because of oppression of their rights. Including what books they read, how they chose to express their religion and thoughts?

Or have you overlooked that?

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Response to KoKo (Reply #13)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 04:04 PM

14. Do you mean Voice of America? Radio Free Europe?

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Response to alp227 (Reply #14)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 04:17 PM

16. Yes...thanks and Edited my post for the newer name...

's

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Response to KoKo (Reply #16)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 07:49 PM

47. Have you seen the movie Red Dawn? That movie had a fictional "Radio Free America".

I guess you confused real life & the movie.

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Sat Feb 9, 2013, 08:13 PM

51. Some background info on "Radio Free Europe" (I'm a "Cold War Baby")

Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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This article is about the US government-funded radio broadcast service. For the R.E.M. song, see Radio Free Europe (song). For the UCKG UK radio station, see Liberty Radio.
Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty

RFE/RL official logo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:RFE_Broadcast_Regions_crop.jpg
RFE/RL Broadcast Region 2009
Abbreviation RFE/RL
Motto Free Media in Unfree Societies
Formation 1949 (Radio Free Europe), 1953 (Radio Liberty), 1976 (merger)
Type private, non-profit Sec 501(c)3 corporation
Purpose/focus Broadcast Media
Headquarters Prague Broadcast Center
Location Czech Republic Prague, Czech Republic
Official languages English. Programs are also available in Albanian, Armenian, Arabic, Avar, Azerbaijani, Bashkir, Bosnian, Belarusian, Chechen, Circassian, Crimean Tatar, Dari, Georgian, Kazakh, Kyrgyz, Macedonian, Montenegrin, Pashto, Persian, Romanian, Russian, Serbian, Tajik, Tatar, Turkmen, Ukrainian, Uzbek
President Kevin Klose (since January 26, 2013); Dennis Mulhaupt is Chair of RFE's corporate board (since October 2010).
Parent organization Broadcasting Board of Governors
Budget $83,161,000 (FY 08)
Staff 497
Website http://www.rferl.org

Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty (RFE/RL) is a broadcaster funded by the U.S. Congress that provides news, information, and analysis to countries in Eastern Europe, Central Asia, and the Middle East "where the free flow of information is either banned by government authorities or not fully developed". RFE/RL is supervised by the Broadcasting Board of Governors, a bi-partisan federal agency overseeing all US international broadcasting services.

Founded as an anti-communist propaganda source during the Cold War, RFE/RL was headquartered at Englischer Garten in Munich, Germany, from 1949 to 1995. In 1995, the headquarters were moved to Prague in the Czech Republic. European operations have been significantly reduced since the end of the Cold War. In addition to the headquarters, the service maintains 20 local bureaus in countries throughout their broadcast region, as well as a corporate office in Washington, D.C. RFE/RL broadcasts in 28 languages to 21 countries including Armenia, Russia, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iraq.

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Radio Free Europe

Radio Free Europe was created and grew in its early years through the efforts of the National Committee for a Free Europe (NCFE), a US anti-communist organization that was formed in New York City in 1949. The committee was composed of an "A list" of powerful U.S. citizens including former ambassador and first NCFE chairman Joseph Grew; Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) director Allen Dulles; Reader's Digest owner Dewitt Wallace; former diplomat and the co-founder of Public Opinion Quarterly Dewitt Clinton Poole; and prominent New York investment banker Frank Altschul.

Its mission was to support the refugees and provide them with a useful outlet for their opinions and creativity. The NCFE divided its program into three parts: exile relations, radio, and American contacts. Although exile relations were initially its first priority, Radio Free Europe (RFE) became the NCFE's greatest legacy.]

RFE was developed out of a belief that the Cold War would eventually be fought by political rather than military means. American policymakers such as George Kennan and John Foster Dulles acknowledged that the Cold War was essentially a war of ideas. The United States, acting through the CIA, funded a long list of projects to counter the Communist appeal among intellectuals in Europe and the developing world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Free_Europe/Radio_Liberty


AND......................................................................................
Board running Voice of America, Radio Free Europe is condemned in hard-hitting probe
EXCLUSIVE: Board of Broadcast Governors member Victor H. Ashe, a friend of George W. Bush, is criticized

Comments (1)
By James Warren / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Sunday, January 20, 2013, 9:53 AM


Victor Ashe, who roomed with George W. Bush, is under fire

The White House-appointed board overseeing government-funded broadcasts to 100 countries is a dysfunctional mess beset by “acute internal dissension” revolving around a longtime friend of former President George W. Bush, according to a new inspector general’s report obtained by the Daily News.

The damning investigation skewers the Board of Broadcast Governors, which oversees the Voice of America, Radio Free Europe, Radio Liberty and other broadcast entities that together employ 3,500 people and reach 190 million people worldwide each week at a cost to taxpayers of $750 million a year.

The inspector general says the board is hobbled by chronic absenteeism, vacancies that have gone unfilled, outright conflicts of interest and “a degree of hostility that renders its deliberative process ineffectual.”
Though it names no names, the report characterizes board meetings as “dominated by one member whose tactics and personal attacks on colleagues and staff have created an unprofessional and unproductive atmosphere.”


It concurs with accusations that he impedes free board discussion and uses “outside media to support his views and attack colleagues and staff who disagree.”

Several board sources confirmed that the controversial and powerful member is Victor H. Ashe, who roomed with Bush at Yale and served under him as U.S. Ambassador to Poland from 2004-2005. He was previously mayor of Knoxville, Tenn.

The inspector general's report is silent on whether the board's problems are impeding its crucial but tricky mission: overseeing broadcasts that are supposed to inform people around the world while also supporting U.S. foreign policy.


MORE AT...........
ead more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/board-running-voice-america-condemned-article-1.1243471#ixzz2KSCLbc2q

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Response to KoKo (Reply #13)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 05:05 PM

20. I'm sure Iran and other countries are free to block VOA

like the Soviets either did or tried during the Cold War, but that has nothing to do with the fact that the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting is controlled by the Iranian government and only puts out news that the Iranian government approves

Right now, the US and other countries have an embargo against Iran and that includes Iranian businesses. I guess it doesn't matter to you that the Iranian government, which controls the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting, supports terrorism around the world.

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Response to dlwickham (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 06:21 PM

27. One persons "Terrorism" is another persons "Freedom Fighter."

Look at the changing terms that go on. What were our American Revolutionaries? Freedom Fighters or Terrorists against the Crown and the Torries in the US who supported the Crown?

It cuts both ways.

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Response to KoKo (Reply #27)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:09 PM

65. no it doesn't

and if you're not bright enough to understand the difference, nothing I can say will make you see the difference

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Response to dlwickham (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 07:17 PM

41. True, but then again Iran doesn't claim to have unparalleled press freedom.

 

And I'm pretty sure the United States government has supported a number of terrorist organizations.

In fact, America has used terror groups to further our foreign policy objectives.

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Response to Katorama (Reply #41)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 08:45 PM

58. Erm, they call it a "flagrant violation of freedom of speech."

So they don't care about it yet they care about it? I'm so confused.

Both sides are hypocrites. I don't see the big deal. Press TV is propagandistic anyway. Yes, I've seen it. Yes I know what propaganda by omission is. The US media is similarly propagandistic. None are immune except they have different priorities. US media is profit, Press TV is parroting anti-American Emmanuel Goldsteins.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #58)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:11 PM

66. the US government doesn't control all the news coming out of this country

unlike the Iranian government

some people may want to put on their little tin foil hats and say they do but that won't make it true

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Response to dlwickham (Reply #66)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:26 PM

67. That doesn't preclude that a huge chunk of US media is propagandistic.

Yes, commercialistic propaganda is still propaganda. I do think the newswire is relatively good, however, despite what people here will say about it (AP, AFP, Reuters, etc). The main problem with the US is its cable media more than anything else.

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Response to dlwickham (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 06:02 PM

23. Was always a combination

of real news and some spun stuff. Their current headline news concerns your storm.

Still available on line anyway.

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Response to dlwickham (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 06:15 PM

25. Of course PressTV's propaganda, but honestly, so what? (nt)

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Response to Posteritatis (Reply #25)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 06:25 PM

30. Someone or Some Folks High Up...think Americans can't be trusted

to have information that they can decide on themselves as to the validity of it.

"Someone or Some Folks" are happy with Limbaugh and his clones and Fox News and others who have voices like CNN (the war channel) but when Americans want to learn about what goes on in other countries in our "Global Economy" that we've been told to support because its so Good for us....we are told that we need to be denied news from sources that our Government deems..."Propaganda."
We obviously are too stupid or uneducated to have such stuff broadcast in our homes or on our airwaves...because it's not on the "Approved List" declared by those who "know better than we do."
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Sheesh....

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Response to dlwickham (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:16 AM

95. Even if it's "just" propaganda

it's useful to know how other people see the world, and who knows? They may even be right about some things.

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Response to Lydia Leftcoast (Reply #95)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:12 PM

97. so you think "news" organizations like the old Pravda was useful

how about Joseph Gobbels? was he right about anything?

how about the crap put out by that workers' paradise in North Korea?

propaganda by its very definition is biased and designed to evoke emotion rather than inform

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Response to dlwickham (Reply #97)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:17 PM

98. Yes

even people we dismiss for very good reasons can be right, sometime for the wrong reasons.

Prime case in point, the Nazis were trying to create the master race, so they studied people who lived long, healthy lives, i.e. got to be very old without too much physical deterioration. They found out that the healthiest people ate lots of fruits and vegetables, got regular exercise, drank in moderation, and didn't smoke. In fact, they found out that smoking was one of the worst things you can do for your health. They used their propaganda apparatus to convince Germans to stop smoking, limit their drinking, eat healthy foods, and get plenty of exercise.

Was this valid information? Of course. Were the researchers' and propagandists' motives admirable? Of course not.

That didn't change the truth of their conclusions.

For years after World War II, this information was discredited as "Nazi propaganda," especially by the tobacco companies. But it happened to be right, and gradually the rest of the world caught up.

Does this mean that Nazism was a good idea or that every Nazi belief was worthy of consideration?

Definitely not!

Soviet sources were often correct about the skullduggery that the CIA was up to, things that the American people weren't supposed to know about because of "national security," even though the Soviets obviously knew about them anyway.

North Korea is a law unto itself. The Kim family has been crazy since forever, and everyone outside of North Korea knows it. I've actually read some of their propaganda. They've never caught on to the fact that you're not supposed to sound insane in your own external PR.

In any case, it's still good to know what other people are thinking. We used to criticize the Soviets for blocking the Voice of America and Radio Free Europe, and the Republicans still go into mouth foaming mode when they're reminded that Cuba blocks Radio Martí.

What harm is done if the Iranian viewpoint gets through to the U.S.? Are masses of Americans going to convert to Shiite Islam and start advocating an Islamic Republic in the U.S.?

I know, I know, it's useful for the purposes of the foreign policy hawks if Middle America thinks of Middle Easterners as faceless "terrorists."

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 04:14 PM

15. let freedom ring

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Response to frylock (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 08:40 PM

54. There's a Big Bell there in Philadelphia...It's waiting to be Rung Again...

it would seem. Even with that repaired crack....it's worth a try.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 06:00 PM

22. Good riddance to a Sandy Hook truther, anti-Semitic conspiracy theory propaganda outlet

Nothing of value has been lost.

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Response to ButterflyBlood (Reply #22)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 07:18 PM

42. Nah, just our "core values". Whatever those are any more.

 

I don't watch it either, but I sure wish I could if I wanted to.

Land of the Free, and all that.

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Response to Katorama (Reply #42)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:39 AM

84. Watch it online...

http://www.presstv.ir/live/

Land of the free and all that.

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Response to ButterflyBlood (Reply #22)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 07:58 PM

48. Good argument.

"I don't like what you're saying so I don't care if you're prevented from saying it".


Scary.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 06:23 PM

29. So the US will have no credibility when we accuse other governments of censoring the news.

Because we do it too.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 07:19 PM

43. Press TV is so far from the gov't & MSM stereotype of Iran, most people would never connect the two

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Response to yurbud (Reply #43)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 08:43 PM

57. It's always good (if one is curious) to listen to all sides of an issue

and then make up one's mind.

Some of us have more time than others to do it...but, should we be penalized?

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Response to yurbud (Reply #43)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:29 PM

69. Press TV is for export. Much like Russia Today.

It's akin to Voice of America. Of course, whenever we push VOA on other countries it's considered USAID conspiracy stuff, and if those countries refuse to show it, then they're protecting themselves from the US imperialist threat.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 07:25 PM

45. DUers praising PressTV need a reality check.

It is state media. Press TV, and its affiliates, are required by the Iranian constitution to exclusively represent the opinions of the government. That should give you pause.

As I've said before, there's nothing wrong with non-MSM sources. In fact they are largely preferable.

But this PressTV business is another matter; you are praising a source that is part and parcel to a government. You are helping contribute to increasing the reach and influence of a government, not that of an independent news source.

And this is, not parenthetically, a government that makes being gay an imprisonable offense. There is no argument that this is not the case. Whatever else one might believe about Iran, this should be enough for any progressive to steer clear.

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Response to Robb (Reply #45)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 08:29 PM

53. But our Government sponsors Their Opinions (As Part and Parcel of our

Tax Dollars) to help contribute to "... increasing the reach and influence of a government, not that of an independent news source" (Quote from You)

And...up above I have what our "Radio Free Europe/Voice of America" has done and is doing to Propagandize for Our Government Globally.

See....I shouldn't steer clear. I love Free Speech and to read and Listen and Watch what I want to...no matter where it comes from because I am an independent thinker born and bred in AMERICA where FREEDOM OF SPEECH is our FOUNDING!

Just so you know.......that you can't stop folks seeking information by wagging your "personal finger" saying "...this should be enough for any progressive to steer clear."

I think the Nazi's & Fascists tried that before....and it worked out badly for a huge population of the world. Hey...what about that FREE SPEECH for IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN, LIBYA, EGYPT, SAUDI ARABIA, MALI, the AFRICOM CONTRIES, CHINA, and all the other countries we call down for Censorship of their Citizens?

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Response to KoKo (Reply #53)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 08:42 PM

56. Most states have state media. Some ONLY have state media.

That you claim to support the latter and "free speech" in the same breath beggars belief.

It's like saying you support labor and then shopping at non-unionized businesses, because "I want the freedom to shop where I want." No one's saying you can't shop at WalMart, but when you do I'm going to assume you aren't committed to labor in any meaningful way.

When you aggrandize the state-run media of a homophobic state, I've frankly got a lot of assumptions.

..."Nazi's." Spare me.

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Response to Robb (Reply #56)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 08:52 PM

59. So...you hope that people (Progressives) will be FORCED to not ever

Shop at Walmart?

You have got to be kidding! BTW up until recently the USA was a "homophobic state" and before that a Government that denied Blacks and Women the Right to Vote. We invaded Korea and Vietnam and we now fly drones over territories of Sovereign States or Dictator States but it's OTHER PEOPLES LANDS.

Who the hell are you to tell me what to watch and what I can read and where I can shop or I will not be considered a Democrat or a Progressive or a Union Supporter?

Who are you to judge anyone in such an antagonistic way?



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Response to KoKo (Reply #59)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:05 PM

64. Shop where you want, buddy.

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Response to Robb (Reply #45)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:49 PM

90. Indeed, and not to mention all the kooky anti-Israeli conspiracy theories promoted by that network.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_TV_controversies

The Jerusalem Post, together with outlets such as Searchlight Magazine, have criticized Press TV for publishing, on its official website, an article The Walls of Auschwitz: A Review of the Chemical Studies claiming that the Auschwitz gas chambers were used for "benign" purposes only; the article was written by the British science historian, Holocaust denier and conspiracy theorist Nicholas Kollerstrom.


On June 26, 2012, Press TV hosted a panel discussion that included Joachim Martillo, who was presented on the show as a financial analyst. During the panel discussion, which was later posted in toto on the Press TV website, Martillo stated that Jewish social and business networks were important in creating conditions for the 2008 Financial crisis. Martillo stated that "I have worked in Wall Street ... I am always asked whether I am Jewish, so I can take part in the social networks on Wall Street, and whether I can share insider info and help protect other people, and basically exchange critical information that could be extremely valuable." He further stated that "We have these vast, essentially ethnic networks on Wall Street. They have been there for a long time. People have written articles about them, but we are not allowed to talk about them ... So we have to start looking at the ethnic manipulation, the corruption, and conspiracy on Wall Street in a serious way."

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:27 PM

68. Press TV blamed "Israeli death squads" for the Sandy Hook shootings

They should not be seen by anyone as a legitimate source of news.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #68)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 12:00 AM

71. do you have a link to that story?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #72)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 03:35 AM

76. Wow! Thanks for the link! nt

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Response to oberliner (Reply #72)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 12:33 PM

87. the irony is a REPUBLICAN congressman gave the conspiracy theory and they agreed

So at worst, the country conservatives are so eager to bomb are their soulmates.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #72)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:06 PM

88. Agree that's pretty bad...but, we've seen that kind of stuff here in US

from Radio Personalities and even the hate/CT stuff from conservative ravers on CABLE. Remember Hillary accused of killing Vince Foster and some congressperson who staged shooting a melon to show how she could have done it? What about the Clinton Tapes that Limbaugh bloviated about supported. I hear he's on our Armed Services Radio broadcasts and approved still even though there have been efforts to get him cancelled for doing propaganda to our service people.

If it's allowed in MSM here in the US..and we can broadcast news in other countries that is US oriented (remember we did that after we invaded Iraq) then isn't it censorship to deny access to foreign news? After all there's BBC, German, French, Canadian also available to many Cable subscribers along with Asian News for balance.

That's my point...not condoning some of the reports on Press TV that are like your link or even on other countries broadcasts that allow some on to spout (what many might consider CT stuff)....but, if we don't believe in censorship as Americans, then we need to let folks make up their own minds and not shield them from what is going on even if it's vile and ugly stuff that's being promoted it should be confronted with discussion pointing it out rather than hidden in corners of the internet where it festers and grows.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 11:27 PM

70. And yet FOX News is still on the air... n/t

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 12:08 AM

73. As part of Occupy in Los Angeles, I have met a PressTV correspondent several times

 

and in having watched his reports of Occupy and other activism events in and near this area, I have to say he's told the truth and not purposely omitted critical details which would completely change the story (as our mainstream media have oft done). I can't speak of PressTV in general but I applaud the local reporter. PressTV have also continued to put out "OWS Week" segments detailing Occupy and other activism. Of course, they and RT likely grin with glee in being able to broadcast about the States' internal trouble, but quite honestly, after a year of OWS and zero banksters arrested or even charged, and having seen US media LIE their asses off on the same subjects if not ignoring them entirely, that the US deserves it aired like dirty laundry. Fix the problems and they'd have nothing to air.

Example of US mainstream media being bastards:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12525506

Remember that US media are in general, owned by six corporations. Mitt Romney's Bain is involved at some level, such as with Clear Channel, IIRC.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #73)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 03:51 AM

77. And Obama's FCC is pushing for MORE media consolidation.

Moyers: FCC moves toward more media consolidation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021924578

http://billmoyers.com/2012/12/03/fcc-moves-towards-more-media-consolidation/

Moyers: But the chairman of the FCC is President Obama’s own appointee, his own choice to head it. Why would the president be wanting to approve a greater concentration of media?

Aaron: Well, that’s the $64 million question. Barack Obama as a senator was one of the leading voices against the exact same rules that his FCC chairman is pushing forward now. He wrote op-eds, he co-sponsored legislation to throw out these exact same rules, legislation that passed in the Senate. And yet, his own FCC chairman, his appointee, is suddenly in a huge rush to get this deal done....
....
Aaron: "....I don’t think the public’s opinion on this has changed at all — 99 percent are against it. I don’t think the Congress’s opinion has changed. We just saw ten or eleven senators send letters to the FCC saying don’t go forward. And I honestly believe the court’s opinion hasn’t changed. They rejected these same rules twice before, and if the FCC continues down this path they will reject them again. But we shouldn’t have to get to that point. We have an opportunity here to stop the runaway push toward media consolidation. How will this impact diversity of ownership? How will this impact local news? Let’s have a conversation about it — a public conversation — and stop trying to just push through favors for a small handful of moguls.

Moyers: What does it say to you that the chairman of the FCC is running a secret process that would, in effect, gut media ownership limits?

Aaron: Well, I think he’s forgotten who he’s supposed to actually work for. I think the chairman of the FCC thinks it’s his job to just negotiate between companies. And this is an opportunity to remind him that this is actually not his job. His job is to promote diversity. His job is to promote competition. His job is to promote consumer choice. That is not something he has always seen as part of his job, but this is really the time for him to learn that lesson. The Federal Communications Commission is a very captured agency. The big companies have a lot of power there. A lot of people who used to work in the building now work in industry; a lot of people who used to work in industry now work in that building. But at its core, what the FCC is supposed to do is represent the American public. And that’s something unfortunately this chairman is having to find out the hard way.


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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #73)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 04:13 AM

79. As mentioned, Press blamed Sandy Hook on Israeli Death Squads

Press is a wholly owned government Propaganda outlet. Silly to ban it, but defense of it as legitimate is as fucked and stupid as defense of Fox..

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Response to cali (Reply #79)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:46 AM

81. RT/America has a studio in DC and Reporters who are based there

Where they report from. Many of their reporters are American and attended US Universities and Grad Schools. If you go to their website and view their staff for RT America you would be surprised at their diversity. Their reporting, documentaries and discussions are of a caliber you won't see here. Remember....we are at "Endless War" and our news reflects that.

Check out RT.... As for Press TV doing one story with a headline that's offensive. Have you ever wondered what the average Iranian feels about our offensive headlines accusing their country of heinous things that we have no idea the truth of. In their case they have a right to defend their viewpoint. Obviously closing ones ears to other viewpoints got us into an Iraq Invasion and now has us involved in 5 actions in what Cheney/Rumsfeld called 'Our Theaters of Interest."

Anyway...check out both online and see what you think.

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Response to KoKo (Reply #81)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:49 AM

85. Press TV's headlines are not seen in Iran, there is no Persian language version, illegal to own a

sat dish, Press TV is sat only and blocked on Iranian internet. How you can support a State owned media outlet of any State is beyond me, but of an anti gay State that would claim Sandy Hook kids were killed by Israelis is sort of double beyond.
When you claim the content is of a caliber we don't see here, that is ironic because Iranians don't see it there, and that content is created to show here and in the west. I also do not agree with you that it is all that great, content wise. And it is an owned and operated arm of the Iranian State, which is not unique among States in that it serves it's own interests.
I feel sorry that you think that by just not being western, media is instantly good and one should shut down all critical thinking. It is State owned Media, and you like that. Would you also trust US State owned media? Israeli?

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #85)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 09:54 PM

93. "How you can support a State owned media outlet of any State is beyond me"

So you don't trust BBC, RTE, ABC (Australia), CBC (Canada) etc? Lots of countries have state media.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #73)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:39 AM

80. I too found RT and Press TV's coverage of OWS outstanding.

Thanks for your experience with the PTV reporter. RT/America even did a retrospective on OWS this past week. It ran several times a day for the whole week. It was outstanding.

I watch them both and get a perspective of news from different viewpoints lacking for two decades from our Cable/network Media. Aside from Bill Moyers and Democracy Now...there's nothing that passes for "discussion from varying viewpoints" on our US TV.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #73)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:54 AM

86. Did you chat them up without asking questions of them?

The government which employs that reporter jails my people. Occupy should do a mic check on that one. Does this reporter report on those abuses in his own nation? Of course not.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #86)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:01 AM

94. I only speak of one man and that they aired his reports. Just giving credit where it is due. I am

 

sorry (words don't work) about your people and the real, actual crimes done by Iran's and any government in its own self-interest. Peace...

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 02:12 AM

75. Hypocrisy is the tribute that vice pays to virtue.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:12 AM

82. Press TV is still available on the Internet

Not yet blocked by The Great American Firewall".

http://www.presstv.ir/

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #82)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 02:26 PM

91. So is Stormfront. Knock yourself out with these loons.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 09:41 PM

92. Looks like we're giving China a run for their money

in the censorship dept. Go USA! Lady Liberty has a huge wedgie.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:28 PM

99. About damn time! PressTV was always a fascist agitprop organ, anyhow.

There's a reason why I've always called it PreSS TV, folks.....

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