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Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:24 PM

LAPD chief to fugitive former cop: 'No one else needs to die'

Source: Los Angeles Times

LAPD chief to fugitive former cop: 'No one else needs to die'
February 7, 2013 | 10:50 am

As the search continued Thursday for a former police officer suspected of a double homicide and shooting three police officers, one fatally, Los Angeles police Chief Charlie Beck called the situation "extremely worrisome and scary."

Beck said suspect Christoper Jordan Dorner, 33, had multiple weapons at his disposal, including an assault rifle, and called the ex-LAPD officer and former Navy reserve lieutenant "armed and extremely dangerous."

"Of course he knows what he's doing we trained him," Beck told reporters Thursday morning. "It is extremely worrisome and scary, especially to the police officers involved."

When asked what he might say to Dorner, Beck replied: "I would tell him to turn himself in. This has gone far enough. No one else needs to die."

Read more: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/lapd-chief-on-wanted-ex-cop-nobody-else-needs-to-die.html



Let's hope this man is apprehend with no further injury and loss of life.

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Reply LAPD chief to fugitive former cop: 'No one else needs to die' (Original post)
ellisonz Feb 2013 OP
goclark Feb 2013 #1
ellisonz Feb 2013 #3
L.A.dweller Feb 2013 #21
panzerfaust Feb 2013 #40
Katashi_itto Feb 2013 #2
Lurks Often Feb 2013 #4
Mosby Feb 2013 #6
Kingofalldems Feb 2013 #7
Lurks Often Feb 2013 #8
Kingofalldems Feb 2013 #10
coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #15
tama Feb 2013 #32
Ash_F Feb 2013 #39
Tom Ripley Feb 2013 #45
ellisonz Feb 2013 #5
libdem4life Feb 2013 #9
KurtNYC Feb 2013 #25
panzerfaust Feb 2013 #41
tama Feb 2013 #34
ellisonz Feb 2013 #11
coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #16
BootinUp Feb 2013 #12
Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #13
magellan Feb 2013 #18
coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #14
Socal31 Feb 2013 #22
coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #24
tama Feb 2013 #35
TomCADem Feb 2013 #17
apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #20
Socal31 Feb 2013 #23
TomCADem Feb 2013 #31
tama Feb 2013 #36
kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #33
panzerfaust Feb 2013 #42
TomCADem Feb 2013 #43
kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #44
apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #19
Macoy51 Feb 2013 #26
Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #27
coalition_unwilling Feb 2013 #30
appacom Feb 2013 #28
libdem4life Feb 2013 #29
tama Feb 2013 #37
Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #38

Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:42 PM

1. It's all over the television here in Los Angeles


The Wild Wild West is going full blast!

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Response to goclark (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:50 PM

3. CNN was covering too.

I hope they catch this whackjob ASAP

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Response to goclark (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:44 AM

21. Is anyone else skeptical about this operation

Of the militarized police sweeping in to homes and conducting a man hunt from San Diego to Riverside!?!

Just like Sandy Hook

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Response to goclark (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 03:00 PM

40. The Guardian (UK) has the most coherent article I have seen on this

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/09/lapd-christopher-dorner-evade-police?commentpage=1

Most distressing to me, is that the cops have now shot up two vehicles thinking they had their comrade. Two people were wounded in one of the incidents.

Also distressingly, I do not doubt for an instant that this psycho-cop's story of his firing is true. I expect that he did witness the abuse that he said that he did, and no one does retribution quite like cops do retribution and so he was fired.

Clearly, this probable injustice completely unhinged his already damaged mind and he now is no better than any other murderer.

Looking at the repeated attacks by the LAPD on unarmed civilians, one cannot escape the belief that our police have become so militarized that they consider all civilians as fair targets and have adopted, as we have in our Arabian Wars, a "shoot first, asked questions later" policy.

Good to see such values introduced into this country along with Obama's killer drones.

My belief is that the Great American Experiment is failing in this century, as an American police state comes ever closer to reality.


FEAR, Fear, fear ... 21st Century Life in the Home of the Brave, the Land of the Free.

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:49 PM

2. This isn't going to end well...

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:50 PM

4. Just read the former cop's "manifesto"

Last edited Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:38 PM - Edit history (1)

In it he said goodbye to his friends, he has no intention of being taken alive and every intention of killing as many police officers as possible. And if he is HALF as good as he thinks he is, then law enforcement is going to need a lot of luck to end this without further loss of life.

Here is the manifesto for those who wish to read it: http://pastebin.com/TAzPRfPy


Edited to find a source that did not seem to have an agenda

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Response to Lurks Often (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:24 PM

6. could you find another source to link to?

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Response to Lurks Often (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:36 PM

7. Well well

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:40 PM

8. Well, Well, What?

Don't be shy, say what you want to say

Didn't like the first link and thinks it means something? Not quite, didn't even see the top of the blog until some else asked for a different source.

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Response to Lurks Often (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:51 PM

10. Coincidence of course.

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Response to Lurks Often (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:06 AM

15. He's bringing the war home. His manifesto declares his intent to wage

 

'asymmetrical warfare' against the LAPD. 'Asymmetrical warfare' is a synonym used sometimes in place of 'terrorism.'

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:54 AM

32. Yup

 

And threatening and killing family members is standard counterinsurgence (in what Dorner is trained) practice to demoralize enemy - and what US military has been doing and is doing in Iraq, Afganistan and elsewhere.

And yes, war is much less fun when it hits home as not just something in Otheristan. This issue is so highly emotional because this is just another burst of the American Bubble. You can't keep on killing "Others" in "Otheristans" and imagine that that has nothing to do with what happens in "homestan" of frackistan and keystonepipelinestan and NDAAstan etc. -stan.

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Response to Lurks Often (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 04:08 AM

39. I like the part at the end...

Last edited Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:05 PM - Edit history (1)

...where he said that the LGBT community doesn't 'help their cause' by spraying graffiti on Chick Fil-A's when this is a person who is shooting people in protest of police corruption. Irony overload.

Also, he is really into pop culture for a serial killer. Not that I know about how much serial killers are usually into pop culture. Still, it was a surprising read.

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Response to Ash_F (Reply #39)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 09:49 PM

45. That is an interesting question. Now I am wondering how many cut out pictures from People and Us...

Weekly when they make their collages on their "great big wall of crazy"

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:21 PM

5. According to the local NBC4 news - he has a house in Las Vegas.

Also, LAPD is at extremely high security - all motorcycle officers have switched to cruisers, LAPD headquarters has armed guards at the doors.

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:45 PM

9. "Of course, he knows what he's doing...we trained him?" Doesn't seem to be reassuring to

to others around. Multiple weapons at his disposal...former cop at age 33 usually means he was "unfit" in some way or other.

3, 2, 1 ... calls for an increased mental health program that could have done something for this guy. Facts are that those more in need of mental health care don't go even when provided or available...particularly borderlines...particularly males...because they think they are perfectly normal.

And a parent or spouse or family member attempting to get someone "help" they don't want or think they need, may put themselves in a potentially dangerous, incredibly complex, expensive chain of events that are usually a failure.

Now, back to 300 million weapons hanging out there... much more doable than paying for atrociously expensive mental health services/incarceration for everyone who needs it or whose family thinks they need it.

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:47 AM

25. That IS an odd phrase considering what "he's doing" is terrorism. n/t

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Response to KurtNYC (Reply #25)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 03:05 PM

41. LAPD has been doing terrorism for years

 



Rodney King, enjoying American Justice.

The officers who beat this unarmed man were, of course, acquitted.
http://uprisingradio.org/home/2007/04/30/1992-la-riots-special-voices-from-the-past/

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 01:05 AM

34. Mental health care?

 

Instead of empathy and compassion, this guy has been taught nationalism and art and psychology of killing all his life, and according to his manifesto had severe depression which ended his military career in navy, for which he didn't get good treatment and real help.

Mental health care? This guy is product of collective nationalistic and militaristic insanity, so for health care you need to stop training people into killers, rationalizing mass murders of "others" in "otheristans", end absurd wars against concepts and plants. Treating symptoms with pills, so that soldiers can go on killing and wage slaves can stay slaves is not mental health care. We need to move on from treating symptoms to healing and getting better. That means first of all stop doing what is hurting us and making us sick.

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 04:40 PM

11. They found a burned out vehicle matching his truck in the San Bernardino mountains near Big Bear

Massive manhunt in the mountains. Live images of SWAT officer being inserted in the mountains by helicopter.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #11)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:09 AM

16. AKA: closing the barn door after the horses have escaped. The car had stopped burning

 

as of 8:30 a.m., per KCAL 9 and KTLA 5. SWAT officers inserted into scene at roughly 4:30 p.m. by my watch.

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 10:55 PM

12. I was in the area this morning

Corona/Riverside. Police were everywhere, closing roads etc. I was listening to classic rock and unaware what was going on. They need to catch him, this is bad.

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 11:27 PM

13. Having seen LAPD close up in person, I'd say they should take their own fucking advice

 

and stop training people to be "extremely worrisome and scary".

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #13)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:52 AM

18. +1000

No personal experience other than traffic stops, but lived there through the Rodney King trial and other incidents and have kept tabs on that area since (as I still love it). Don't know if it's true but if anyone asked me, I'd say the LAPD remains one of the most corrupt police forces in the country. It's waaay past time their house was cleaned.

I'll add, in no way does that mean I condone this guy's actions.

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:03 AM

14. Hey Beck, you putz! No one needed to be brutalized by your forces

 

when they busted up Occupy Los Angeles on November 30, 2011. But you went ahead and brutalized them anyway.

So just STFU.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #14)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 02:04 AM

22. So let us be clear here....

More people need to die? More civil servants who have wives and kids to come home to?

How about the non-police who have died because of this whack-job? Did they deserve it as well?

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Response to Socal31 (Reply #22)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:42 AM

24. They deserved it about as much as the peaceful, non-violent Occupy Los Angeles

 

occupiers 'deserved' to be brutalized and have their civil rights violated by Beck's and Villaraigosa's goon squads.

Funny I don't recall hearing you raise your voice back on Nov. 30, 2011.

We can play tit-for-tat as long as you would like.

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Response to Socal31 (Reply #22)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 01:18 AM

35. More people need to die?

 

Who do you consider people, who are in your in-group circle of empathy, where you feel the hurt of another human being?

Just civil servants and their families?

How many more victims of LAPD need to die and ruin in name of racist drug war etc. corruption? How many more victims of US military imperialism?

You see how all those levels of insane killing and hurting are connected in this case. What can you do, or stop doing, to stop giving support to all that insanity? Don't think big steps, name just one little thing, one little step you can take and change in your own life.

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:38 AM

17. I Wonder About The NRA's Endorsement of Vigilante Justice Now?

The NRA has opposed gun control citing Jews during the holocaust and even slaves during the civil war era as examples of why folks need guns to take the law into their own hands against an oppressive state. Well, here we see that principle applied in practice with a former cop who believes that he was screwed by the system taking the law into his own hands.

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Response to TomCADem (Reply #17)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:18 AM

20. Yep: Spot. On. Reply. +1,000.

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Response to TomCADem (Reply #17)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 02:29 AM

23. Unfortunately this man is more dangerous because of his .gov training.

The NRA is to gun-owners what ELF is/was to environmentalists. There are plenty of threads to talk about their idiocy.

Here are a couple other murderers whose footsteps he is following in. They may be obscure, but there is a theme:


Timothy McVeigh - U.S. Army Combat Engineer School

John Allen Muhammad - Expert Rifleman's Badge - US Army

Eric Robert Rudolph - Specialist, Explosives Expert - US Army

Nidal Malik Hasan - Major, US Army

Charles Joseph Whitman - US Marine

Lee Harvey Oswald - US Marine

Wade Michael Page - US Army


Can you at least wait until people are done dieing before you use this tragedy to make a point? And when you do such a thing, make sure you aren't arguing against your own point.

Mental illness and the need for better monitoring have no preference for civilian or military. Hell, one of those listed above was in fact a psychologist, and nobody caught it.

I am the proud brother of a US Army soldier, and the proud friend of more than one SoCal Police Officer. They are "the State", and they I guarantee they would be as sad to read this is I am.




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Response to Socal31 (Reply #23)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 03:08 PM

31. I'll Make A Deal With The Pro-NRA Types

I will stop raising the NRA's contradictory positions in favor of the spread of guns when we get universal bankground checks and a ban on assault rifles.

Also, is your point is that former service members should be subject to more stringent gun control requirements? Afterall, the Alabama anti-government kidnapper who hid in a bunker designed to withstand an attack by the government was also former military. Likewise, the world's greatest sniper was against gun control was, of course, a former member of the service and was also killed by a former service member. So, you make a very powerful point about having more stringent gun control laws applied toward those in the military, but I think that would unduly discriminate against the men and women who served our country.

Instead, rather than targeting former members of the armed forces, as you do in your list, I would push for gun control laws that apply uniformly.

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Response to Socal31 (Reply #23)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 01:20 AM

36. He's also strongly anti-NRA according to his manifesto nt

 

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Response to TomCADem (Reply #17)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:59 AM

33. Excellent point. He's doing battle against tyranny, at least his own

definition of it.

Teabaggers should be applauding this guy and his Second Amendment solution to his problems.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #33)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 03:12 PM

42. Sadly, some 'Baggers and Other Losers are supporting this psycho.

 

"Christopher Dorner Fans On Facebook, Twitter Call Alleged Cop Killer A 'Hero,' Citing Police Brutality ..."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/08/christopher-dorner-fans-facebook-twitter_n_2647754.html

No worse than supporting Rmoney though, I suppose.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #33)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 06:51 PM

43. The Killer's Specific Crusade Is Irrelevant, Its The Vigilantism Generally...

...the idea that if you disagree with the Government about something, anything, strongly enough, it is okay to start killing to make your point. It could be Timothy McVeigh, Dr. Tiller's killer, or this guy. At the bottom of it, you think of the NRA's blatant promotion of guns to protect people from tyranny and invocation of Nazi Germany and the plight of slaves and you will always get kooks who think they have the green light to start sparing bullets because they were wronged.

This is the danger of Fox News, the NRA and the whole glorification of the Preppers. They demonize the "Government" and warn of its collapse or takeover by foreign interests that every so often you have someonly like the Alabama kidnapper or this guy jumping the gun and starting their own unilateral war.

During the Bush era, the right wing punished dissent as unpatriotic. Now, with a Democratic President, the Government itself is portrayed as illegetimate and on the verge of collapse. Guns sales go up as the NRA promotes hysteria about the federal government taking their guns and pushes the idea that people need to protect themselves against the Government.

Well, this is what happens when individuals decide to actively take on the government.

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Response to TomCADem (Reply #43)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 09:41 PM

44. Yep. A Second Amendment "solution", just like the baggers want.

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:17 AM

19. Bad situation all the way around - hope it can be resolved with no more loss of life. n/t.

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Response to apocalypsehow (Reply #19)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:04 AM

26. I wonder how the supervisor feels about all this.

 

When I heard the cop was fired for lying, I wondered what was up with that. Cops lie on a regular basis, and then I found out he accused a supervisor of abusing a disabled prisoner. I wonder how the supervisor he accused feels about all this.

One way to defuse the situation would be if the supervisor came clean and admitted on national TV that she indeed did kick the prisoner. May calm him down enough to get him to give him self up.


Macoy

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Response to Macoy51 (Reply #26)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:18 AM

27. Completely agree n/t

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Response to Macoy51 (Reply #26)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:02 PM

30. OMG, your suggestion would actually require a few adults in the room. One

 

thinks of Othello:

"Reputation is an idle and most false imposition; oft got without merit, and lost without deserving."

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:20 AM

28. Sounds like he got screwed by LAPD and snapped

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:54 AM

29. "bringing the war home" "just snapped" "trained to kill" "doesn't end well"

Law enforcement has been the primary job destination of Iraq and Afghan war vets. They are already government trained from the military, then given some departmental training and put on the streets.

Deep, hidden fears, PTSD, anger, de-humanization, family problems and stress ... no more Officer Friendly walking the beat. Most of these stories seem to begin with ... "He was so normal...didn't see anything wrong..."

I remember how disoriented I was in returning to the US just after a few traveling months in Europe. I so support these soldiers getting home and back to normal...easier said than done.

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #29)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 01:30 AM

37. Don't know much

 

but from the little I've heard, even those serving Europe don't mingle much with locals and are told to fear and avoid them - "if you see a demonstration, get the hell out cause they are likely to attack you" is what someone told on some other forum, believing that crap.

Breaking and conditioning human beings into killing machines is dehumanizing and causing mental health problems, army training as such causes insanity, fear and paranoia, on purpose.

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 02:32 AM

38. LAPD chief to media: Use of water-soluble children's chalk is against the law.

 



This is from after LAPD shot up Artwalk with tasers and rubber bullets:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1240&pid=219076

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