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Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:21 PM

McConnell not ruling out Hagel filibuster, says opposition to nominee ‘intensifying’

Source: The Hill

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) refused to rule out a GOP filibuster of former Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.) in an interview with a local Kentucky TV station this weekend.


McConnell said it was “not clear yet” whether Hagel’s confirmation to become President Obama’s next Defense secretary would be filibustered, and he said opposition to Hagel was “intensifying.”


Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill/policy-and-strategy/280919-mcconnell-doesnt-rule-out-hagel-filibuster#ixzz2JxoKEKBN
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I am not usually much of a Reid critic, but in this case "you gave us hell, Harry"

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Reply McConnell not ruling out Hagel filibuster, says opposition to nominee ‘intensifying’ (Original post)
Inuca Feb 2013 OP
TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #1
Inuca Feb 2013 #3
TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #9
Dustlawyer Feb 2013 #2
Lasher Feb 2013 #6
madokie Feb 2013 #4
Cosmocat Feb 2013 #5
maxsolomon Feb 2013 #14
Cosmocat Feb 2013 #18
JoKandice Feb 2013 #7
Pab Sungenis Feb 2013 #8
Inuca Feb 2013 #10
TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #15
chuckstevens Feb 2013 #11
Cleita Feb 2013 #12
Coolest Ranger Feb 2013 #13
Shadowflash Feb 2013 #16
Ian Iam Feb 2013 #17

Response to Inuca (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:28 PM

1. They know he will be confirmed. This is their only way to stop him.

The "unprepared" media theme is just--bullshit. Quoting anonymous White House "advisors" on Iran who insulted Hagel--also smells like bullshit. The neocons, Kristol, Abrams, and Adelson are pulling the levers in a panic now. They never thought he would get this far.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:11 PM

3. About that "unprepared" thing

a good analsis here http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/02/03/1184379/-Was-Chuck-Hagel-Just-Plain-Bad-in-His-Confirmation-Hearing

A couple of quotes from the lengthy article

What was Hagel's main task in the confirmation hearing?

Wasn't Hagel's main task to avoid saying anything that would give any Senator a reason or excuse to vote against his confirmation? In particular, wasn't it to avoid saying anything that contradicts current Administration policy, or that might unnecessarily put the Democratic Senators and reasonable Republican Senators who are expected to vote for his confirmation - people like Chuck Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand - in a politically awkward position? Whatever one may think of Schumer and Gillibrand otherwise, they're playing on the Hagel team now. Wasn't it part of Hagel's task to protect all the players on the Hagel team, by avoiding unnecessarily saying things or behaving in a way that would make their vote for his confirmation politically more difficult?

If Hagel is confirmed as Secretary of Defense, as people in Washington overwhelmingly expect, doesn't that mean that he successfully completed his assigned task?

Wasn't part of Hagel's task to show that he will have no problem acting publicly as a loyal lieutenant to President Obama? Doesn't one want from a loyal lieutenant that he keeps his focus on the assigned task, keeping his cool even as arrows rain down upon him?




What happened in this exchange? In clarifying that terrorism can never be justified, Hagel said exactly what he had to say. But in defending the principle that you can't separate innocent Israeli and Palestinian victims, Hagel didn't give an inch. In fact, it was Senator Lee who had to give ground, conceding that in considering victims, one cannot morally distinguish between Israelis and Palestinians.
And this is about as close as you can come to a pure test of character in Washington. Because everyone knows that there is absolutely zero political price to be paid in Washington for throwing the Palestinians under the bus. If someone presses you to throw the Palestinians under the bus, you know that political expediency says: go ahead. There's no price to be paid for this. There's no-one who'd like to punish you for it politically who has the capacity to do so.

There is exactly one reason and one reason only not to throw the Palestinians under the bus in Washington, and that is that throwing the Palestinians under the bus is not the act of a righteous man. And that's why Chuck Hagel didn't do it.

Now tell me again how Hagel flubbed his hearing. I'm thinking that maybe some of the people saying this don't follow these issues very closely.

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Response to Inuca (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:48 PM

9. I watched almost all of it on CSPAN, having been home that day.

I heard that pundits on MSNBC and elsewhere were repeating the same "unprepared" "hesitant" "fumbling" talking points within the first couple hours of testimony. 5 hours left to go, they had already decided what happened at the hearing. Kind of almost...coordinated. But since it's a subjective assessment, it's hard to argue with, isn't it? No mistakes or bad statements on the record to reject him, just a "sense" that he was unprepared? Had he tried to defend himself more forcefully (had they even let him) it would have been all about his combativeness or hair-trigger temper, of course.

That exchange between Lee and Hagel in the article you posted was more representative of what I saw--rational and correct answers being given. He said the right things to get confirmed, over and over again, because Hagel certainly knows how Senate confirmations work--play it safe, avoid mistakes, say what you need to say to overcome opposition to you.

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Response to Inuca (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:47 PM

2. That didn't take long! Harry Reed must have been bought off, no one is that stupid!

Show me a spineless Democrat and I will show you a corrupt politician! Both sides are bought and paid for, with few exceptions. We need COMPLETE CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM (CCFR)!!!

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Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:32 PM

6. Senators love the filibuster because it gives them power.

There are times when a Senator can use the filibuster to declare themselves king, so to speak, whether they are a member of the majority party or not. I don't think Senator Reid ever really had his heart into filibuster reform, but most of his fellow Democratic Senators certainly share the blame.

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Response to Inuca (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:15 PM

4. Its becoming obvious that turtle man

is holding our form of government hostage so he might. Can. Get. His. Way

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Response to Inuca (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:30 PM

5. Fucking jackasses ...

they pre-emptively destroy Susan Rice, one of the two candidates, now are throwing a conniption over the REPUBLICAN the President picked.

BO could reanimate fucking Eisenhower and these morons would stone it.

But, tune into the "liberal" media nodding obediently as republicans blame the President for their being jackasses because he won't invite them over to the white house for tea (which they decline when he does ...)

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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:26 PM

14. Susan Rice was potential Sec of State

But I hear ya

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:03 PM

18. Oh ...

right ...

This shite just pisses the fuck out of me.

Only reason they took it so easy on Kerry was their thinking it handed the job to Brown.

I have NO doubt in my mind, if these scumbags knew Brown was not going to run, they would have raked Kerry over the coals.

He is in the senate, so they could not have done to him what they did to Rice, but, they still would have been jackasses about it.

The NEVER ending stream of complete, brazen bullshit the republicans pull, and the "liberal" media spends the last few days ... Harping about the a picture of the President skeet shooting.


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Response to Inuca (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:36 PM

7. McConnell Is A Punk

 

Just Follow The Chicken Droppings

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Response to Inuca (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:46 PM

8. Do it.

 

Save us from this jerk. Then maybe you'll get someone you REALLY don't like at the Pentagon and we LGBT*.* people will be happy, too. Win-win situation for us. Do it.

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Response to Inuca (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:23 PM

10. OTOH - McCain: Don't filibuster Hagel

Sen. John McCain said Monday he opposes using a filibuster to block Chuck Hagel’s nomination as defense secretary, an announcement that could pave the way for his eventual confirmation by the Senate.

Given his clout within his caucus on national security matters, McCain’s decision will almost certainly help sway enough Senate Republicans to unite with Democrats to defeat any attempt to derail the Hagel nomination after his shaky performance in his confirmation hearings last week.

While McCain said he would vote to break a filibuster, he may vote against the Hagel nomination on its merits because of the nominee’s refusal to answer his question at last week’s hearing over whether the 2007 Iraq troop surge was a success. Nevertheless, Democrats will have more than enough votes to confirm the nomination once any filibuster attempt is defeated.

“I just do not believe a filibuster is appropriate, and I would oppose such a move … I will try to make that argument to my colleagues,” the Arizona Republican told reporters outside the Senate chamber


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/mccain-dont-filibuster-hagel-87159.html#ixzz2JyIUXT9u

Maybe all he heard and saw these last dew days about hid despcable performance at the hearing made a difference, I don't know.... Loyalty to a former friend is definitely not the reason.

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Response to Inuca (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:26 PM

15. Then Hagel only needs (by my calculation) one more vote to overcome

a filibuster and get to a confirmation vote--he would have 55 Dems plus Cochran, McCain, Johanns, and Roy Blunt (who said he wouldn't support Hagel, but also wouldn't support a filibuster. Time to call Susan Collins or Lisa Murkowski.

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Response to Inuca (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:47 PM

11. Thanks Harry!

This just illustrates that you're whimpiness on stopping the GOP obstruction through filibuster reform will now enable it to continue on for at least two more years. WAY TO GO! Maybe it's time to retire, old man.

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Response to Inuca (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:02 PM

12. Is there any way we can get these people arrested?

They are and have been holding a whole nation hostage. There should be repercussions for it. We need Representatives and Senators who are willing to get the business of running the nation done. I'm beyond disgusted with these games. Congress is not a chess board and the people are not the pawns of kings, queens, knights and bishops.

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Response to Inuca (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:10 PM

13. I lost what respect I had for harry Reid.

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Response to Inuca (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:44 PM

16. Gee. I'm shocked. What a surprise.

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Response to Inuca (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:47 PM

17. So much for 'gentlemenly agreements," Mitch.

 

And Harry!

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