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Sun Jan 27, 2013, 02:14 AM

 

Obama: Gun-control advocates have to listen more

Source: SFGate

President Barack Obama says gun-control advocates have to do a little more listening than they do sometimes in the debate over firearms in America.

In an interview with The New Republic, Obama says he has "a profound respect" for the tradition of hunting that dates back for generations.
"And I think those who dismiss that out of hand make a big mistake. Part of being able to move this forward is understanding the reality of guns in urban areas are very different from the realities of guns in rural areas," he says.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/news/politics/article/Obama-Gun-control-advocates-have-to-listen-more-4226717.php



Three dimensional chess.

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Reply Obama: Gun-control advocates have to listen more (Original post)
Paul E Ester Jan 2013 OP
alittlelark Jan 2013 #1
napoleon_in_rags Jan 2013 #2
obama2terms Jan 2013 #15
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Why Syzygy Jan 2013 #5
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tavalon Jan 2013 #23
Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #28
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tavalon Jan 2013 #36
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Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 02:21 AM

1. He's playing to their racism....

....nice. I'd like to hear their arguments,

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Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 02:27 AM

2. Obama's cool.

He gets cast as this urban president, but really I think he understands the rural situation, particularly the struggles of poor rural folks who put some game on the table because they have a tough time buying grocery store food.

The movie Winter's Bone

did a great job of portraying the kind of scenes in modern America where folks are dealing with poverty and sometimes guns equal food, and are part of daily life. I know we have a president who takes the whole American scene in and cares about people in these situations too.

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Response to napoleon_in_rags (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 09:29 AM

15. Omg

I'm reading this book right now and it's great I can't believe it's going to be a movie thnx for posting

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Response to obama2terms (Reply #15)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 09:31 AM

16. It's already a movie - came out in 2010. n/t

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Response to bitchkitty (Reply #16)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 01:43 PM

48. Lol

Yeah haha I realized that when I googled it

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Response to obama2terms (Reply #15)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 12:02 AM

78. Yeah, definitely see it.

I didn't read the book, but I loved the movie. They did a really good job of portraying white rural poverty - nobody was "trash" - all were real multi-dimensional people. Very compassionate well done film making.

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Response to napoleon_in_rags (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 09:39 AM

19. Do they hunt with $1500 AR15s in this movie?

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #19)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 02:17 PM

51. Yes. Because it takes about a dozen bunnies to make a decent stew.

(and yes, of course that's sarcasm.)

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Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 02:33 AM

3. "Hunting" wasn't even a consideration when the founding fathers installed the 2A. eom

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Response to Purveyor (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 03:05 AM

5. Horses and bayonets



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Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 02:52 AM

4. Listen more? To what, more screaming and wailing about how teh gubbint gunna tack r gurhns?

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Response to DRoseDARs (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 09:35 AM

17. You would have thought by now that everyone would have figured

that there will no gun confiscation. The types of weapons Americans have now are the same weapons they will have in the future.

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Response to DRoseDARs (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 02:19 PM

52. It would be easier for us to hear them talk about how we are going to

"grab their guns" if they would all just proceed peacefully to the FEMA camps and talk one at a time.

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Response to Paul E Ester (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 03:16 AM

6. I totally agree with Obama.

I have lived in an area in which hunting was a great sport. I love eating venison when it is well cooked.

But I now live in a city. Just tonight, we heard gun shots. And there have been killings in our area, just a couple of blocks from where we live a couple of times this year. Kind of changes your perspective. Killing a surplus of deer in the country is very different from knowing that a neighbor was possibly shot while you sat in your living room a couple of blocks away.

It's so important for gun enthusiasts to understand the reality of city life, but also for city dwellers to understand what it is like to have deer feast on your crops or eat up your garden.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 08:28 AM

12. I've had venison and liked it

I've never had venison that was killed with a semi automatic with 30 rounds. I suspect no one has because the deer wouldn't be anything but a splatter. Much like the children in the Newtown massacre. Associating people's fascination with weapons of war with legitimate hunting is a bizarre strawman.

Just using your post as a jumping off point. I've lived in both places and I don't advocate a no hunting stance. Without hunting season, deer populations would explode followed by their starvation.

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Response to tavalon (Reply #12)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 09:45 AM

20. Isn't It Funny: Watching The Gun Rights People Embrace Hunting.


After years and years of ignoring it, or even insulting those who enjoy it ("Fudds").

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Response to Paladin (Reply #20)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 09:58 AM

23. Truth be told, I had never heard that

and have spent years working myself up to the idea of going hunting myself. I admire the self reliance of those who hunt. I'm not real sure I actually would have it in me. I know I don't have it in me to go on a shooting rampage, hunting children. I don't have it in me to even understand that, in any way, shape or form.

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Response to tavalon (Reply #12)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 10:29 AM

28. you do realize

A semi-automatic only fires one round at a time right? And both of these rifles are functionally identical?

http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire/model-r-15/model-r-15.aspx

http://www.remington.com/en/product-families/firearms/centerfire-families/autoloading-model-750.aspx

I know you are smart enough to know fully automatic firing and semi-automatic firing

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #28)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 10:35 AM

29. You got me, actually, I didn't and don't know my subject well enough

Would that I lived in a world where I didn't have to.

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Response to tavalon (Reply #29)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 10:43 AM

32. thank you for not calling me names

It does seem to be a very common mistake

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #32)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 10:56 AM

36. I've said numerous times in this thread that I'm not against hunting

I admire hunters. I don't admire people who massacre humans. Who could?

And yeah, if I'm going to argue with any authority, I'm going to need to learn more about the types of guns. I don't think I'm alone in not knowing the different kinds.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #28)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 10:42 AM

31. What About The 30-Round Magazine, Mr. Duckhunter?


I know you're smart enough to know that your not mentioning magazine capacity would be noticed. If you really do hunt ducks, your shotgun has a limited firing capacity, by law. How about limiting the size of magazines, as far as human targets are concerned?

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Response to Paladin (Reply #31)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 10:46 AM

34. I have no problems

with magazine limits. Larger magazines tend to jam anyway. My limit would be 20 and what could fit in the pistol grip. I could live with less, just do not think it will do a lot in a rifle. Handguns are the biggest problem.

Do not hunt human targets, I hunt paper target and cans at a range on post.

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