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Thu Jan 17, 2013, 01:14 PM

No Votes Disguise Yes Sympathies for Some in G.O.P.

Source: New York Times

WILLIAMSBURG, Va. — House Republicans have their Tea Party Caucus. They have their G.O.P. Doctors Caucus. And, joining the list of varied special interest caucuses, they recently picked up another influential but much more unofficial group — the Vote No/Hope Yes Caucus.

These are the small but significant number of Republican representatives who, on the recent legislation to head off the broad tax increases and spending cuts mandated by the so-called fiscal cliff, voted no while privately hoping — and at times even lobbying — in favor of the bill’s passage, given the potential harmful economic consequences otherwise.

Representative Tom Cole of Oklahoma, part of the Republican whip team responsible for marshaling support for legislation, said the current makeup of House Republicans could be divided roughly into a third who voted in favor of the bill because they wanted it to pass, a third who voted against the bill because they wanted it to fail, and a third who voted against the bill but had their fingers crossed that it would pass and avert a fiscal and political calamity.

One lawmaker, Mr. Cole said, told him that while he did not want to vote in favor of the bill, he also did not want to amend it and send it back to the Senate where it might die and leave House Republicans blamed for tax increases. “So I said, ‘What you’re really telling me is that you want it to pass, but you don’t want to vote for it,'” recalled Mr. Cole, who voted yes.


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If a third of the Republican Caucus is afraid to do its job, because of political repercussions, perhaps they should do something to expand their base beyond Tea Party members and survivalists...

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Reply No Votes Disguise Yes Sympathies for Some in G.O.P. (Original post)
brooklynite Jan 2013 OP
marble falls Jan 2013 #1
another_liberal Jan 2013 #2
pasto76 Jan 2013 #3
Bradical79 Jan 2013 #7
BumRushDaShow Jan 2013 #4
EC Jan 2013 #5
Bradical79 Jan 2013 #9
Shadowflash Jan 2013 #6
judesedit Jan 2013 #8
eggplant Jan 2013 #10
Skinner Jan 2013 #11
dorkulon Jan 2013 #16
Historic NY Jan 2013 #12
CBHagman Jan 2013 #13
Zoeisright Jan 2013 #14
Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #15
cstanleytech Jan 2013 #17
mwb970 Jan 2013 #18

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 01:33 PM

1. If they'd dump the teabillies, they'd actually expand their base.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 01:37 PM

2. The Koch brothers and a handful . . .

The Koch brothers and a handful of other highly conservative billionaires own the GOP. Eventually, they are also going to be the only people who vote for Republican candidates.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 01:39 PM

3. I could give a fuck about their 'hopes'

that is some serious bullshit behavior. if they wanted the bill to pass, anybody with integrity would vote for it. All these clowns did is identify themselves as cowards.

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Response to pasto76 (Reply #3)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 01:57 PM

7. Pretty much, yes.

They know what needs to be done, but they also know doing the right thing will put their political careers into jeopardy. Politics for a lot of politicians is a career path rather than a public service.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 01:40 PM

4. The "Vote No/Hope Yes Caucus" may be rethugs in swing districts

that a Democrat might win if the effort and the funding are there.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 01:43 PM

5. Really?

Are their districts so full of crazies (that they themselves stirred up), that they can't win an election in their district with sane people?

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Response to EC (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 02:00 PM

9. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

A lot of these guys painted themselves into a corner with redistricting and their various propaganda outlets (like Fox News). They ignored long term effects of their actions in order to further their political careers.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 01:49 PM

6. That's pretty much the definition of 'Spineless'.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 01:57 PM

8. We have to get some adults elected to Congress.This petty bullshit is unacceptable.We are paying

these losers to do the best job they can for this country. Not for themselves and the lobbyists who's pocket they're in. Vote them out of office asap. This is absolutely ridiculous. Now they're trying to come up with every gimmick to rig the vote for themselves in any event. Get rid of the electoral college first. Outlaw gerrymandering.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 02:17 PM

10. They don't even have the fucking courage to vote "present". Ugh. n/t

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 02:45 PM

11. Cowards. (nt)

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Response to Skinner (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:41 PM

16. Yes, I believe that is the technical term for this. nt

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:20 PM

12. No moral courage or back bone....

say what you mean and mean what you say.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 03:39 PM

13. "Profiles in Cowardice."

I really don't think the phenomenon is new, but still, this says something about the 2013 edition of the GOP.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 04:34 PM

14. What a bunch of pussy cowards.

But of course, every repuke is.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:13 PM

15. I'd say if they are afraid to do the job they should step down.

Not all that interested in Republicans expanding their base. At least I'm not.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:06 AM

17. Should they? Yes. Can they? Not sure.

Or atleast I should say that I am not sure if they can do it now when they have pretty much painted themselves into this corner where they have driven away so many moderate and somewhat sane voters from their party by ignoring them to cater to the insane right wing fringe.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2013, 08:16 AM

18. So the practice of voting against their own interests has migrated.....

from republican voters to republican politicians.

It reminds me of the way right-wing Obama hatred has migrated from Obama himself to his supporters. I now see just as many wingnut comments attacking (and threatening) Obama voters as I see attacking Obama. So now they are attacking ME!

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