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Fri Jan 27, 2012, 04:01 AM

Shot-Up Image of President Draws a Secret Service Inquiry

The Secret Service said Thursday that it was looking into a photograph posted on the Internet that showed a group of young Arizona men posing in the desert with guns while holding up what appeared to be a bullet-riddled image of President Obama’s face.

The photograph showed seven casually dressed young men, four of whom clutched weapons and one of whom held up a T-shirt covered with small holes and gashes and bearing a likeness of Mr. Obama above the word “HOPE.” The weapons held aloft appeared to be a revolver, a bolt-action rifle and two assault rifles.

“We’re aware of it, and we’re conducting the appropriate follow-up steps,” said Ed Donovan, a Secret Service spokesman in Washington.

The photo, along with the remark “Another trip to the ranch,” was posted on Jan. 20 on the Facebook page of Sgt. Pat Shearer, a police officer in Peoria, Ariz., a Phoenix suburb. The image was removed from Sergeant Shearer’s page on Thursday afternoon shortly after inquiries about it to the Peoria Police Department. Sergeant Shearer, a decorated officer who was honored in 2007 for helping to save a driver trapped in a burning vehicle, did not respond to a request for comment on Thursday.

full: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/27/us/secret-service-looks-into-image-of-obama-riddled-with-bullets.html

Here's a GD thread about this. photo:

And a police officer willfully let this get posted on his Facebook? If so he should be fired. Why is he promoting violent threats to the President?

Oh yeah. Isn't the "Taxed Enough Already" Party supposed to be picketing the Peoria Police Department because their tax dollars are paying for a policeman who encourages crime? (But if it's Obama it's alright! )

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 04:32 AM

1. God, they're stupid.

Funny how you didn't see things like this from us during Idiot McCrackpipe's residency and seems like we see at least 2 a week.

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Response to Ecumenist (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:09 AM

13. Refer back to the thread on low intelligence of conservatives

Just another piece of supporting evidence

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Response to Ecumenist (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 07:37 PM

109. Oh, I didn't realize that the 2006 movie, "Death of a President" was a right wing production

Perhaps because it wasn't.

Memories are very short around here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_a_President_(2006_film)

Updated to add URL

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Response to 24601 (Reply #109)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:04 PM

112. WTF are you talking about? First of all, it was MOCKUMENTARY NOT

a statement of what people are planning to do by individuals. It was also produced by BRITS!!!! This is the latest in a long stream of overtly threatening and/or racists things done by AMERICAN right wing idiots. BIG DIFFERENCE! Don't play stupid. That's a real reach...

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 06:38 AM

2. good

I'm sick of the disrespect that these freaks show for the office of the President. I don't remember seeing pictrures of any liberals shooting images of the worst President Ever (George W. Bush). We may have had disrespect for George but not the office of the President.

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Response to LostinRed (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:47 AM

22. I do...going back to Reagan. Then again it was mostly dart boards

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #22)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 01:49 PM

82. I seem to remember episodes of the sitcom 'Murphy Brown'

which periodically showed a dartboard on the back of her office door, though I can't recall any of the images Still, not nearly as graphic (or fatal) as the OP.


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Response to BrendaBrick (Reply #82)

Fri Mar 2, 2012, 09:21 AM

167. Murphy Brown's dartboard changed constantly

Dartboard of Hate: Murphy's dartboard on the back of her office door was adorned with something new every week, and oftentimes that something was someone's face.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MurphyBrown

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 07:02 AM

3. Eight dickheads in need of an asskicking

with jail time afterwards
This is my President they're threatening so to me they are threatening me too and I don't like to be threatened

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Response to madokie (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 07:59 AM

6. if they do get jail time- the ass-kickings are certain.

like a child molester or rapist- the last place you wanna end up is in prison.

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Response to madokie (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:30 AM

18. Their combined IQ is 7, and their combined pee pee length is 5 inches.

Yes I did. I went there.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #18)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 05:04 PM

137. "Nice guns. Sorry about your pee pees." n/t



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Response to madokie (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:54 AM

26. Hyperbole

Last edited Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:16 PM - Edit history (1)

It is not a threat...this has been going on with politicians and public figures for years.

Chill out and use this as the opportunity it is...

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #26)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:06 AM

52. Just Wondering, Mr. "Progressive":


Is there a bit of far right-wing thuggery you WON'T vigorously defend?

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Response to Paladin (Reply #52)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:11 AM

56. Just wondering if you have taken reading comprehension again

I have clearly said it is about as stupid as it gets and that we should trumpet it far and wide. If that is "defending" it in your book, its no wonder you are so marginalized

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #56)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:45 PM

126. I think it's more like false equivalence than defending it

We just watched Congresswoman Giffords resign, her broken body and unbreakable spirit a testament to the consequences of actions such as this. 2nd amendment remedies. Water the tree of liberty with what? The right wing of this country is violent and has a long history of using that violence against anyone that's different than them. We need to condemn this act loudly, not act like it's balanced out by similar actions of the left, because it's not.

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Response to dreamnightwind (Reply #126)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 01:22 AM

129. Truly. It's not what our side does.

I'm sorry. I can't help but make the comparison. Our side chains ourselves to trees and gates of nuclear power plants and stuff. Our side goes on hunger strikes. Our side doesn't go all macho and para-military and "settle things" with guns & ammo. It's just not who we are.

We're not the ones always shoving our gun ownership and our "right to bear arms" in everyone else's faces. We're not the ones out there swaggering around with our six-guns and our holsters. We're not the ones talking openly and longingly, and yes - even ominously and threateningly, about "second amendment remedies." Shit like that comes from the CON side.

False equivalency absolutely! It's like comparing a brick to a grain of aquarium gravel and saying they're both alike. And you better believe some idiot pundit will try to make that comparison as they all do.

These guys are domestic terrorists. These guys need to be taken into custody for making threats against the President. They're manifestly dangerous and reckless as hell! What's to stop one of them in some macho lather from trying to prove how much more alpha-male he is than all the other Yosemite Sam wannabes?

These guys are a threat to society!

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Response to calimary (Reply #129)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 01:42 AM

131. Yeah, it's a seed you don't want planted


"What's to stop one of them in some macho lather from trying to prove how much more alpha-male he is than all the other Yosemite Sam wannabes?"

Indeed, or one of the thousands of small-brained big-gun Loughners who never had an original thought of their own that are chuckling at this pic on the internet then deludes himself into thinking he has a brilliant idea...


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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #26)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 03:59 PM

92. Just members of the right wing "gun culture" having a big old time. Screw em.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #26)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 07:43 PM

110. Check your grammar, "Professor." n/t

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #110)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:17 PM

115. Thank you

The English language needs a compiler like the other important ones have

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 07:07 AM

4. Gunstremists.

I am so shocked.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 07:49 AM

5. The teabaggin' kkkluckers seem to forget something...........

Some of their opposition have been trained in the use of weapons of war, own them and will not hessitate to return fire.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:03 AM

7. Dumbasses n/t

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:06 AM

8. Love the guy on the right, with the semi-automatic...



His T-shirt reads JUST DO IT.

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Response to secondwind (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 01:54 PM

83. Yep. "JUST DO IT"

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Response to secondwind (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 02:35 PM

86. I'm wondering when the guy on the left is gonna shoot his own foot off.

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Response to caveat_imperator (Reply #86)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 03:11 PM

88. or the guy with pistol shooting the guy next to him

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:33 AM

9. "... LET this get posted"? Dumb Facebook question ...

The comments in the OP indicated that Sgt Shearer "let" this get posted on his Facebook page. Can other people post a picture on somebody's Facebook page, or is that limited to the "owner" of the page? I figured if it was on Sgt Shearer's page, then Sgt Shearer had to post it.

This seems like weak security in Facebook. Or is it a "setting"?

I'm not a Facebook user, though I admit to sometimes enjoying "Failbook".



First, we had photos from Abu Graib, then Marines pissing on corpses, now this. Dumb.

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:42 AM

10. Pictures have been posted

by others on my wall and I don't know how to delete them. It's a Facebook flaw. Facebook has several flaws. Too many bells, whistles and distractions.

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Response to The Wizard (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:10 AM

14. You can have your account settings not allow that

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Response to The Wizard (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:02 AM

48. Posting on your wall is one thing

The article doesn't say if it was part of a post on his wall or in his personal gallery.


rockivity

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Response to The Wizard (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 12:17 PM

72. You should be able to delete them. If you can't delete them,

ask the person who posted them to delete them.

If all else fails, I think if you block a person it will delete any stuff they posted off your wall. (I'm not 100% sure but I think it does.) You could always unblock and re-add them back if it's someone you want to keep as a 'friend'. Presumably anyone in that category will understand and comply if you let them know you don't want the picture on your wall for some reason. (Tell them it's because you have friends from work or something.)

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Response to MH1 (Reply #72)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 01:19 PM

80. fixed (NT)

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:09 AM

12. You have to approve photos posted to your wall by others

Before they are actually made public on your wall. I do not always approve what people want to put on my wall.

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:57 AM

46. You can post on other's pages

but you have to be on Facebook, be a "friend" and it's not anonymous.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:52 AM

11. Is the idiot on the left about to shoot their foot off? It looks like it. n/t

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:11 AM

15. Yep- that's bunch of real macho he-man badasses right there...

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:23 AM

16. DU-Friendly adjectives fail me.

Implied assassination. Classic.

Anyone still want to play the "we do the same thing" false equivalency card?

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:24 AM

17. Seven losers toting deadly weapons

what a sickening thought.

Oops! The dumb fuck in the middle is about to blow red-shirt away - Correction: make that six losers.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:38 AM

19. The fact that it's a tee shirt implies they did violence to an Obama supporter.

I think I'd be looking for bodies at that ranch.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:42 AM

20. Look at them. If any ONE man every confronted them, they'd run like babies....unless, of course,

they had a gun in their hand. Who or what the hell ever gave white, especially males, the idea that they were/are any better than ANYONE else????? That's my question. This is just an example of their lack of education and their prejudice, which may have stemmed from the same illiterate upbringing. I know the Bible NEVER said white people are any better. They claim to be Christians and love God so much, yet they practice the exact OPPOSITE of what the Bible teaches. Jesus and all of the saints are crying. I sure wish they'd wake the hell up. They make me ashamed to be white.

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Response to judesedit (Reply #20)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:46 AM

21. Just one more reason NOT to vote for a conservative. Need I say more?

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Response to judesedit (Reply #21)

Tue Feb 21, 2012, 10:38 PM

164. There is no such thing as a conservative anymore

the GOP has been hijacked by the radical right..They could be called Teabaggers,TeaParty or corporatecronies but the GOP known as/for conservatives dont exist..Its getting scarey to watch and listen to these people with their hate messages.
I mean it is very scarey to know we cant hide from our children the kind of hate that is out there with these radicals ...but they blame it on us liberals...What kind of world do we live in when a young girl is handcuffed and tasered, falls to the ground and now braindead and it is justified by the law enforcement group and the corporate media..what kind of hate do we live in now..It is really scarey..We lock our kids in school to protect them yet .we may walk through a mall parking lot and never return home because a police officer thinks we are radical protesters and taser us..And right now these right wing idiot candidates are spreading nothing but hate messages.Sanatorum and now Romney has turned up his rhetoric.
This is what the billions of dollors is buying that we ,the working class American gave up our livelyhood for so banks and Wall St could build more wealth for these people to spend millions to spread this hate...

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Response to judesedit (Reply #20)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:02 AM

49. These are exhibits 1-8 (including the jag-off with the camera)...

of why I despise Christian hypocrites.

The central message of Christ was LOVE. Love your neighbor, love your enemy, love your god.
The central message of these super-bigots is HATE. Hate the gays. Hate the blacks. Hate the liberals.

These asshats have more likely than not NEVER read the bible, NEVER understood anything beyond "loves you some Jeebus or into the fire of Hell you go - and by the way, hate you some gays today!", and NEVER gotten a grip on WHY they have no future, no jobs and no education (here's a BIG ASS hint for them - it AIN'T the policies of the man whose picture they just shot up).

I guarantee you that if we identified all 8 people from that incident, within 1 year one of them will be in jail, within 2 years one or more of them will be dead and within a decade ALL of them will be bitter, angry men with guns blaming everyone else for their clearly self-inflicted problems....not exactly a future MENSA members meeting going on there...

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:47 AM

23. If they want to shoot guns so badly, send them to Afghanistan. Tired of these

racist rednecks!

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #23)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 01:15 AM

127. Or Somalia.

Let 'em enjoy all that anarchy they think they worship, adore, and yearn for, so much. Gee - maybe they'll go for that self-deportation thing of romney's?

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:52 AM

24. These

kids are not savvy enough to know why this is a bad thing, they're influence at home is where this starts. The cop that posted this will be fired or answer to the secret service who doesn't really ask why, they just look at the picture and see a threat and deal with the threat on the same level.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:52 AM

25. This has been going on for multiple presidents and other public figures since I can remember

It is not a qualified threat. If anything its political speech. What if they had burned the picture or did something else in effigy?

The posting of it by a cop is about as dumb as it gets, but again, its legal.

Of course its dumb, stupid, etc, but stupidity is allowed. It is also a golden opportunity to for us as his supporters to spread it far and wide, and we shall.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #25)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:01 AM

30. What horseshit - this is not "political speech" It's gun nut douchebaggery

yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #30)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:17 AM

32. Its right wing nuts behaving stupidly, but under the law, its political speech

since there was no real threat expressed, just a mutilated piece of paper.

Firearms are not a key point here...they could have defecated on it, or burned it...same thing.

Its a great PR piece we can use...run with it.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #32)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:38 AM

39. disagree, firearms ARE a key point here. The numbskulls are holding guns with pic of shot up Pres.O

Professor, as I'm sure you know, students are taught to consider the significance/implication of things that might not be outwardly stated.

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Response to wordpix (Reply #39)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:51 AM

42. Not from a legal perspective or a practical one...

Its not a real threat, it will not be treated like one. The defense for it is political speech and it is a valid one in the US

The results will look something like this:
- The cop will take some heat on the job, most likely unofficially
- The school will say they can do nothing (which is true)
- There will be no Secret Service investigation. They will file it with the thousands like it that have happen since at least Reagan

Its a PR coup for the President's supporters and little more. Trying to make more of it than that is dumb...but not as dumb as they are.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #42)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:02 AM

50. however, this being AZ, this should not be taken lightly IMO

Gabby Giffords, remember?

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Response to wordpix (Reply #50)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:08 AM

55. There is no tie to Giffords. It could have happened in any state in the union

Redneck idiots are not limited to the Arizona, the West, or the South. We even have our share here in SoCal.

This is a PR gift. Lets run with it for what it is.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #55)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:32 AM

64. I did not state there was a tie to Giffords, I said it was AZ (land of the gun-toting nutcases)

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Response to wordpix (Reply #64)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:36 AM

65. My point is that it is AZ has nothing to do with it

Its laws are not unique nor its political climate

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Sun Jan 29, 2012, 05:14 PM

158. It's not bigotry when I read news from AZ & draw my own conclusions

I love the AZ desert and mts and seriously consider retiring there someday. But the state is so full of these gun-toting rednecks and t-baggers that I don't think it's the place for me.

I do realize that every state has these types. But in AZ, they appear to be the majority.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #42)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:07 AM

53. Apologizing for teabagger douchebaggery is just plain stupid

yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #53)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:12 AM

59. Then you should quit doing it

I think its a PR windfall that we should spread far and wide.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #59)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 12:50 PM

76. lol

fail

yup

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #59)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:07 PM

123. Professor,

Quit wasting your breath and time. They don't get it. They don't want to. The poutrage is too fulfilling.

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Response to jpak (Reply #53)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 04:15 PM

99. douch

douchebaggery.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #42)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 07:26 PM

139. Then you need to brush up on your "legal and practical" skills.

There most certainly WILL be a Secret Service investigation.

Where have you been?

Can I ask? What do you teach?

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #139)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 11:26 PM

142. There will be no investigation since there is no threat

There might be something perfunctory done since this has hit the media but that would be about it. Despite the poutrage, this has been going on since I can remember. Other posts here have pointed out examples. I have the background to be confident in what I posted.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #42)

Tue Feb 28, 2012, 11:33 PM

165. I guess your crystal ball was on the fritz...

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #165)

Fri Mar 2, 2012, 08:44 AM

166. Somewhat surprising

Be more surprised if its upheld on appeal. Most cop shops solve issues behind the blue door

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Response to wordpix (Reply #39)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:22 PM

116. If I posted a picture of myself holding a gun and a shot-up orange juice bottle...

 

would that be proof that I wanted to murder Tropicana employees?

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #116)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 11:42 PM

144. Is your orange juice bottle a SS protectee?

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #144)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 01:00 AM

148. Is a t-shirt a Secret Service protectee?

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Response to jpak (Reply #30)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 03:50 PM

91. not horseshit.

Its just as much protected speech as a picture of Bush with a target superimposed on him or of people burning bush in effigy. Hell, we had a party at which we took a pinata, pasted a photo of bush's face on it, and let people whack it until it burst open. It was no more a crime than if I had set the pinata on a bench and let people throw rocks at, shoot it with a bow and arrow, stick a firecracker up its "ass" or use it for target practice.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #25)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 01:08 PM

78. Please provide examples of this happening with previous presidents

You asked for citations elsewhere in this thread to back up a poster's claim - well how about it? Can you give citations showing where someone posted bullet-riddled images of sitting presidents, where the Secret Service didn't look into it?

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Response to Hugabear (Reply #78)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 04:04 PM

96. Does a bunch of irate Canadians throwing shoes at a burning effigy of George W. Bush count?

 

Or does it have to involve firearms?





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Response to slackmaster (Reply #96)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 04:10 PM

98. Show me an example of a bullet-ridden image of Bush, where the Secret Service did not investigate

This is the subject of the OP, and the poster I'm responding to says that it's no big deal, happens all the time. I'd like to see an actual example of this happening. The poster demanded someone else back up their claim, so I'm just doing the same thing.

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Response to Hugabear (Reply #98)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 04:29 PM

101. So, punching holes in a 2-dimensional image is morally worse than burning a 3-dimensional one?

 

Nobody has been charged with a crime for the incident discussed in the OP.

Freedom of speech includes the right to be a douche bag. The Secret Service certainly has a responsibility to, as is stated in the article, determine the intent of the people involved. All they have to say is that they didn't intend to do any actual harm to the President.

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Response to Hugabear (Reply #98)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 06:44 PM

106. Actually I asked for a data since I could not find one

It was interesting as well...though the individuals was found at one point to be mentally incompetent.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #25)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 04:01 PM

94. Lots of things are legal, but best left undone. Like a bunch of punks shooting off their weapons.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #94)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 06:42 PM

105. You are letting your weapons phobia interfere with a marvelous PR opportunity for Obama

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #105)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 07:46 PM

111. Your love of weapons is keeping you from getting outraged at this kind of junk, that is too common.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #111)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:26 PM

117. Hardly, I see this as an opportunity

I also understand that it is protected political speech, so I save my outrage for things that can be addressed and changed.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #117)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:30 PM

118. Well it would be nice to see a little outrage, rather than defense of a bunch of punks blasting away


at Obama symbols. I know guns are important to you and several others posting in defense of these misfits, but . . . . . .

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #118)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:56 PM

120. So urinating or defecating on it would have been okay by you just as long as it wasn't firearms?

I am not defending this...I am chortling at a PR windfall that we should make the most of

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #117)

Fri Mar 2, 2012, 04:03 PM

168. I imagine the difference between what may be changed

"so I save my outrage for things that can... changed."

I imagine the difference between what may be changed and what may not be changed is merely our belief in its constancy. Seems to me that (as per many famous Athenian philosophers) that slavery was thought to be unchangeable for thousands of years.

I think we often say things cannot be changed for reasons of merer convenience, and call the ethical concerns of others "outrage" as dramatic license in lieu of a valid point.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #168)

Fri Mar 2, 2012, 04:57 PM

171. What other of our constitutional freedoms, liberties, and rights would you like to see "changed"

Its political speech...and whether or not I agree with it and how it was expressed, I will defend the right of others to say it.

The member I was responding is one issue poster against anything with firearms

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:55 AM

27. Just by looking at the pic...

...I knew this was Arizona. This state is full of these idiots. Wouldn't be surprised if the good Sgt. was the one behind the camera.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:59 AM

28. Prediction:

At least one GOP presidential candidate will say "they're just kids".

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #28)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:49 AM

40. No doubt claiming that they are "progressive" too ...

... and that it is clearly protected political speech ...


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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:59 AM

29. GOP/NRA gun nut thugs

yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #29)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 12:15 PM

71. Painting with sort of a broad brush aren't we?n/t

 

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Response to Johnson20 (Reply #71)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 12:49 PM

75. OK - I will redefine them - teabagger douchebag GOP/NRA gun nuts

better?

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Response to jpak (Reply #75)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 01:08 PM

77. Nope. Rather bigoted in my humble opinion. n/t

 

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Response to Johnson20 (Reply #77)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 04:00 PM

93. The bigots are holding the guns

yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #93)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 04:02 PM

95. Exactly. And bigots and guns seem to go together in this country.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #95)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 11:29 PM

143. Tell that to the Pink Pistols

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Response to jpak (Reply #93)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 03:43 PM

135. Where did you read anything about that, not in the OP's article?n/t

 

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Response to Johnson20 (Reply #77)

Fri Mar 2, 2012, 04:05 PM

169. I imagine if we look closely enough, we can find bigotry anywhere

I imagine if we look closely enough, we can find bigotry anywhere-- even in those place where it does not exist.

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Response to jpak (Reply #75)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 04:16 PM

100. What's bigoted about a group of armed white men shooting up a photo of a black president?


"What do you mean, I'm a bigot?"

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Response to Hugabear (Reply #100)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 04:57 PM

136. Sorry, but I won't leap to

 

that sort of conclusion based on a single photograph. Just curious, but how did you reach your conclusion, assuming you comment was sarcasm.

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Response to Johnson20 (Reply #136)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 06:53 PM

138. Do you deny that most of the anti-Obama hatred is racially motivated?

Many teabaggers claim they opposed Bush's actions. Yet they didn't take to the streets until Obama was elected. Many of the teabagger rallies featured explicitly racist protest signs. The right-wing throws around racially tinged barbs like "food stamp president".

So yeah, when I see a group of armed white guys holding a bullet-riddled image of Obama, I'm going to say there is probably a racial element there.

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Response to Hugabear (Reply #138)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 11:04 AM

150. Yes, I do. I believe, for the most part, it is politically, not racily motovated. n/t

 

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Response to Johnson20 (Reply #150)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 05:11 PM

157. You have got to be fucking kidding me.

Not racially motivated?

They hated Clinton - but never took to the streets in protest of him.

They claim they didn't approve of Bush's spending - but never took to the streets in protest.

But for Obama, somehow they just feel the need to take to the streets. There's also the whole "birther" debate which is most definitely racist.



















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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:08 AM

31. If this would have happened when Bush was President ..wouldn't these idiots be in jail already?

I think so...The police officer most definately should be fired..Isnt Arizona the state where the Gov pointed her finger in the Presidnets face?..Maybe these idiots picked up on that anger and posed for this???

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Response to INdemo (Reply #31)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:20 AM

34. No

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This is not a credible threat, been happening in one form or another since I can remember. I remember some pretty sordid things done to Chimpy pictures...

Not sure the cop can be fired. Its legal conduct off hours. However he will get some grief for it at work, most likely unofficially.

The event in the picture I believe happened before the finger incident.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #34)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:25 AM

35. Yes - People were sentenced to jail time for far less during the Bush regime

yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #35)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:28 AM

36. And you have on point citiations for that?

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #36)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:51 AM

41. I do recall someone getting sentenced to nearly three years in jail for making a reference

to a "burning Bush."


rocktivity

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Response to rocktivity (Reply #41)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:53 AM

43. Do you have a citation in context?

I remember reading about someone who talked to a burning bush, but I think he went to heaven after a road trip.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #43)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:57 AM

45. Found a link to the story that works.

And I guess the cops had enough of a citation in context to get a conviction.


rocktivity

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Response to rocktivity (Reply #45)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:00 AM

47. Then post it

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #47)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:05 AM

51. This what he was busted for

whether you consider it legally justified or not:

The bizarre tale of Richard Humphreys began in the early hours of March 9, 2001, in a Watertown, S.D., bar. During a lively chat with a truck driver, the former Portland cabbie--who calls himself The Prophet Israel Humphreys--cracked a joke that didn't get the laughs he had anticipated.

"I said that God might speak to the world through a burning Bush," Humphreys, 50, later testified in federal court. "I thought it was funny. It was prophetizing."

Knowing President George W. Bush was scheduled to visit nearby Sioux Falls the next day, a bartender reported Humphreys' comment to local police, claiming that Humphreys alluded to the possibility of someone pouring a flammable liquid on the president and lighting it. Local police took Humphreys into custody at his Sioux Falls motel just hours before Bush arrived.

http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-1622-no_laughing_matter.html



rocktivity

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Response to rocktivity (Reply #51)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:20 AM

61. Interesting read

While not on point (defacing an image with firearms), for this bubba it was also more than the joke in the bar. He had a long history of threatening behaviors and was also temporarily deemed mentally unfit to stand trial...

Bear in mind, the courts have upheld image defacement, burning in effigy, flag burning, and similar items as political speech. Not my call, its theirs.

Thanks

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Response to rocktivity (Reply #41)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:11 AM

58. yes, a man made a joke about a burning bush

and was given jail time. I find this more disturbing than telling a joke.

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Response to newspeak (Reply #58)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:21 AM

62. The link above was an interesing read about that

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Response to INdemo (Reply #31)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 02:45 PM

87. Um - a MOVIE was made about Bush getting shot.

And the prevailing attitude here at that time was "hey, free speech!"

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #87)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 07:29 PM

140. There was also a movie made about the earth being smashed by an asteroid...

...but no one is for investigating Morgan Freeman.

(Hey my example is just as stupid as yours)

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #140)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 12:10 PM

152. Yeah...let anyone make a faux documentary about Obama being shot

and let's see how that plays.

Hypocrisy: not just for breakfast anymore.

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Response to INdemo (Reply #31)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:53 PM

125. Are you kidding?

Ten years ago someone got sent to prison for saying something about a "burning Bush". Under those standards, these pinheads should all be serving time,

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:18 AM

33. Is there something in the air or water

in Arizona that makes it the home of so many whackadoos?

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #33)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:30 AM

37. AZ does appear to be a wingnut magnet

perhaps the state has been a safe haven for these whackjobs.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:37 AM

38. Terrorists.

Maybe a trip to Quantanamo would be in order?
After all, we hold many there without any cause whatsoever. Why should we ignore this?

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:57 AM

44. If Bush was in office...

...and this was a group of black nationalists with guns and a shot-up picture of Bush, how much do you want to bet there'd be ATF and FBI raiding parties busting down doors?

Since a Democrat is the subject of the "protest" in this case, this will be characterized as "protected, if not somewhat misguided, political dissent".

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:07 AM

54. "And a police officer willfully let this get posted on his Facebook?" Do we know that?

I think we need to be careful here. The guy may indeed be a whack job but just because someone posts a picture on your face book wall doesn't mean you endorsed it. This was apparently also on someone else's wall also so it could be that someone posted it on the officer's wall without his knowledge. Some people aren't very Facebook savvy in terms of controlling what might get put on your wall. And if one is like me, I am not in there checking every day so something might stay up a while before I am aware of it and can remove it.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:17 AM

60. Not very good shots either, from the looks of it. nt

 

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Response to mistertrickster (Reply #60)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:22 AM

63. And as others have pointed out, their gun safety is not so hot either.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:40 AM

66. Loughners in training. Giffords' father said if she got hurt, it'd be by a Teabagger, since the...

Campaign against her was so vicious, even a black GOP official resigned because of intimidation at the time.

After she was shot, one of the shooting victims who protested a man yelling at a meeting about how Giffords' group should have been armed, was the one arrested and charged for disorderly conduct, not the belligerent bully.

Then came the call nationally from the right for her to give up her seat to someone who was competent, when the GOP has held wheelchair bound senile leaders in office for decades, or taken vacations for months on end.

From Sarah Palin's gunsights on Giffords' district after years of hate radio calling for all liberals to be killed, they achieved their aim, as a teabagger will likely take her seat. Stochastic terrorism works, and the thugs smell blood in the water of our consciousness. This won't stop.

From terrorist threats and acts against liberals nationally, Gabby's leaving is a victory for them. These are the same ilk that want to shoot immigrants from helicopters like hunters shoot wolves in Alaska. Like those who kill on video games and earn points, after a time, there is little difference between the game and the fantasy and the act itself. Like watching snuff porn, imagination will no longer satisfy, it will have to be carried out in real life.

Jesus said that what we feel in our hearts is what we will be condemned for, long before the act wanted is committed, or even if it is not. On some level, these people with the help of the GOP are making their reality ours, and we are being led like lambs to the slaughter.

Like cheering the death of the little nine year old girl by Loughner, posters on Sarah Palin's page said:

"It's ok. Christina Taylor Green was probably going to end up a left wing bleeding heart liberal anyway. Hey, as 'they' say, what would you do if you had the chance to kill Hitler as a kid? Exactly."

Written by young people, taken down eventually, but left there long enough for many of them to still feel the rush of victory over the evil liberals. The link to the blog with the screenshots has now been deleted by AOL, but the tenor of the time is described halfway down the page here at this link:

http://www.the-richmonder.com/2011_01_01_archive.html

But, nothing to worry about. We have the editor of a paper in Atlanta calling for Obama to be killed, a child's pet slaughtered and other acts of terrorism. All of these people are rightwing, and it'll be worse as the election nears.

Just repeat after me:

There is no connection between speech and action, there is no such thing as a mob mentality. 'It can't happen here.' 'I try to believe in as many as six impossible things before breakfast.'


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Response to freshwest (Reply #66)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 02:12 PM

85. Amen.

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Response to 2kevlane (Reply #85)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:31 PM

124. Thanks. Like your profile. Welcome to DU.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:42 AM

67. The bigger the gun, the smaller the penis. nt

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Response to bathroommonkey76 (Reply #67)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 03:39 PM

89. And just how would you know that? Just curious is all. n/t

 

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:57 AM

68. Arizona

Who would have thought?

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 12:08 PM

69. "trip to the ranch"????

Seems like Sgt Pat Shearer, learned nothing from the shootings in Tucson Arizona. Nor was he willing or capable of teaching these young men about integrity, or what it means to be a citizen in our Democracy.

I look at this photo of these uniformed young men, being used
by an adult, officer-of-the-law, and look at the highschool photo of Jared-Lee-Loughner (the lone shooter in the Tucson tragedy). Jared's face could be in that group and no one could tell that he was fighting mental demons. Is Sgt. Pat Shearer, capable of knowing if any one of these young men has mental demons fighting within their heads just waiting to explode and his actions and teachings gave them an out.

Yes, Jared-Lee-Loughner, has severe mental problems which seemed to erupt the older he became yet will we ever know if the Sarah Palin's campaign ads of targeting Gabby Giffords with a gun and scope, or if the Republican opponent against Gabby, Jesse Kelley campaign event at which voters, could shoot an assault rifle with Gabby, the Democratic candidate as the target, register within the mentally disturbed mind of Jared.

I lived on a "ranch," nothing about ranch life, target practice, involved targeting another real person. This is simple and pure hate and teaching it to young people is unforgiveable and moreso in Arizona.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 12:14 PM

70. Gee, I wonder how Nike feels about all that promotion (the green shirt on the doofus to the right)?

...nice.

Not.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 12:31 PM

73. So will Jan Brewer shake her claw in the faces of these violent gun thugs?

"Just Do It" with the gun and the "Hope" shirt = "Just Shoot President Obama"

And he was just there in Arizona. This reminds me of the Wanted posters that showed up in Dallas as President Kennedy was scheduled to visit . . .

Hey Secret Service - This is a credible threat to the life of President Obama. You all know better than we what's happening in this country - Please be vigilant.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 12:35 PM

74. Looks like they're going rogue

 

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 01:15 PM

79. Not sure whether to rec this for its sheer stupidity or hide it because its so sickening. eom

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 01:38 PM

81. Now I really don't feel safe

These are the Law in Arizona???
If you or I had possession of those two weapons they are displaying here in California???
We would be arrested under Felony charges...

Its quit obvious these Boys are making a political statement...
Guns and Bullet holes on a pic of the president by this Group is scarey...
Can you imagine how the Hispanic Americans feel in Arizona???

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Response to DreamSmoker (Reply #81)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 06:50 PM

108. Minor point on CA law

The firearms in question may or may not be illegal in CA. There was a grandfathering clause in the legislation and allowed models were tightened up considerably after the legislature figured out the original version had many omissions.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 01:56 PM

84. Damn glad I don't live there.

What is wrong with our society? How can someone like this be allowed to protect and serve? I hope he loses his position and everyone one of those idiots gets investigated. If I was Hispanic I wouldn't want this guy pulling me over!

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Response to 2kevlane (Reply #84)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 03:40 PM

90. Hell I won't even travel there...


I have been retired for years, I always go north to Oregon, Washington, and BC. Between jerk-offs like Sheriff Joe and Missy finger in the face, they ain't gonna get my money.

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Response to 2kevlane (Reply #84)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 05:33 PM

103. sorry

3 of those kids are mexican buddy

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 04:05 PM

97. Douchebags. I hope the SS kicks their ass and takes names.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 05:14 PM

102. Hey Tough Guys? So What was the Point/message?

That you are young and stupid and think shooting guns at a target with a politicians face on it is macho, or gonna make you hip in the circles you hang out in? How stupid...

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 06:39 PM

104. These dittoheads have never known a time without hate radio.

They are well trained in hate. What a year this will be.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 06:48 PM

107. It's just today's threat of violence by conservatives..

same old, same old... nothing new to see here.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:09 PM

113. God. This is frightening! When will this incendiary rhetoric stop?! haven't we had enough tragedy?

I am glad that the Secret Service are looking into it. We have so many examples of this kind of hateful, violent crud in the press every week. The story earlier this week about the AK campaign workers cat being slaughtered and painted with the word "liberal" made me so sick that I couldn't go to sleep. That was a hate crime and unspeakable cruelty and must be punished--this is threatening political warfare and it must stop. I hope that they fire everyone associated with this thing. They must be punished.
This makes me sick.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:16 PM

114. How about this?

 




And don't think I'm trying to defend the Shrub. But google "Bush, effigy, burn" and you get a lot of hits for the U.S. alone.

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #114)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 12:17 PM

132. Nope. Try looking up the definition of "burned in effigy". Here are a couple:

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(Redirected from Burned in effigy)

Effigy

...An effigy is a representation of a person, especially in the form of sculpture or some other three-dimensional form.

...An effigy can also be a doll burned in order to dispel undesired spirits or to advocate against a person. The burning is meant as a sign of the participants' shared intent to banish the represented element from their lives. The best known British example is the burning of an effigy made of straw and/or old clothing depicting the 17th century Catholic conspirator, Guy Fawkes. In the past, criminals sentenced to death in absentia might be officially executed "in effigy" as a symbolic act.

Political effigies serve a broadly similar purpose on political demonstrations or annual community rituals such as that held in Lewes, on the south coast of England. In Lewes, models of important or unpopular figures in current affairs are burned on Bonfire Night, formerly alongside an effigy of the Pope.


and

Miriam-Webster: ef·fi·gy
noun \ˈe-fə-jē\
: an image or representation especially of a person; especially : a crude figure representing a hated person
— in effigy
: publicly in the form of an effigy <the football coach was burned in effigy>



So if they had burned an effigy of the President, you would have a point.

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Response to That Guy 888 (Reply #132)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 03:31 PM

134. Distinction without a difference?

 

I don't see your point here. Can you please break it down for me? TIA.

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #134)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 12:39 AM

145. You are trying to compare the "shooters" to people who burned bush in effigy, right?

Burning an effigy of someone has a history hundreds of years old as political protest. People don't burn effigies in order to intimidate someone or to practice setting the person on fire.

Shooting an image of someone can be an implied threat in the form of target practice for shooting the actual person. I remember reading about a few investigations where pictures shot were considered a threat (federal judges, representatives) but of course it was just someone blowing off steam. In a couple of hundred years maybe shooting up someone's picture will be seen in the same way as burning someone in effigy, but for now it may get you a Secret Service visit.

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Response to That Guy 888 (Reply #145)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 12:58 AM

147. I'm pretty sure that shooting a picture of someone...

 

can be entirely as symbolic as burning an effigy.

"People don't burn effigies in order to intimidate someone..." Really? Than what's the point? And how do you prove your assertion?

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #147)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 12:05 PM

151. Try reading my posts a little more carefully

"I'm pretty sure that shooting a picture of someone... can be entirely as symbolic as burning an effigy. "


From post 147 which you are replying to: I remember reading about a few investigations where pictures shot were considered a threat (federal judges, representatives) but of course it was just someone blowing off steam.
AND
In a couple of hundred years maybe shooting up someone's picture will be seen in the same way as burning someone in effigy, but for now it may get you a Secret Service visit.



People don't burn effigies in order to intimidate someone... "Really? Than what's the point?"


From post 132 above: ...An effigy can also be a doll burned in order to dispel undesired spirits or to advocate against a person.
AND
Political effigies serve a broadly similar purpose on political demonstrations...


"And how do you prove your assertion?"


Hundreds of years of history. Try this link to wikipedia about effigies.

Look at the example in post 132 above from Miriam-Webster <the football coach was burned in effigy> . Do you think the coach in the example feels physically threatened? How about "psyched out"?

Are you now saying that burning effigies and shooting peoples pictures is for intimidation and not symbolic expression? How do you prove that people are intimidated by effigies being burnt? Do you mean unnerved or feeling that their physical well being is in danger? Do you acknowledge that they are different?



Before posting a reply with more questions, please check to make sure they were not already answered.



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Response to That Guy 888 (Reply #151)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 01:22 PM

153. Try reading history a liitle more carefully

Burning in effigy is a symbolic destruction of the individual and what they stand for historically.

Wikipedia, while useful has its limits and proof texting from it is silly.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #153)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 08:54 PM

161. Professor, please cite your historical evidence

You do understand that a message board has different standards than any online course that you may teach? While Wikipedia is not an accepted information source for college (or possibly even high school) papers, this is neither. In my case I do not like to throw opinion out there without providing at least some "proof" for it. As for the "isolated quotes" or proof-texting, I don't think they were misleading and were done simply to keep within the "four paragraphs" rule. The shorter quotes in the post you responded to were to emphasize what PavePusher seems to have missed in previous posts. If you feel something is taken out of context please point it out.

I assume you have a link to a source that backs up your statement about the singular historical definition of effigies which is freely accessible to non-academics?


One last question: I think I made it clear that burning someone in effigy is not considered a physical threat to someone. Why bother to post since you note that it is symbolic, and further up the the thread(post#61), you acknowledge that the courts do not view "burning someone in effigy" as a threat to their person?

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 08:38 PM

119. It seems way more threatening to those who might WEAR such a shirt

Someone like me.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:38 PM

121. this is a real problem

not responding to this shit hard...gives the impression that it's ok to be violent towards elected officials.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 01:19 AM

128. I'm worried about the guy on the right.

His t-shirt says "Just Do It," and he's holding an assault rifle. Not a good combo.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 01:35 AM

130. Yep, bad idea

Yes,
Looking like a 'white boy gangster outfit' with that picture shot up is a BAD idea.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 12:23 PM

133. for those who say both sides do it

let's look at some of the fallout from the hate blatherings of talking heads like o'lliely, beck and hannity. A right wing nut shoots up a UU church, wants to kill him some liberals-his reading material, right wing hate spewers. A right wing radio talking head in denver remarks about harming a progressive radio commentator and one of his ignorant shoots the progressive to death. O'lliely talks about going after doctors who provide safe abortions and a doctor is shot to death in church. A democratic campaign manager comes home and finds his cat dead with "liberal" knifed into it. And giffords, along with others, including a child is shot by a very disturbed man.

The corporate media gives access to these blowhards-they pay them to spew bigotry, ignorance and fear; and they divide us. To me, they also incite fools to commit acts of terror on anyone who doesn't believe the way they do.

And the difference is, yeah, some people have used voodoo dolls, burned effigies and the like of little boots, especially after he put our soldiers in harms way needlessly, gave his friends lucrative contracts (our money), squandered money while the decent jobs were disappearing. But, what the left didn't do is ACT out by harming others. That's been left up to the right wing wackos.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 09:05 PM

141. They should have read the story of Sir Anthony Babbington

at least they don't employ the full horrors of the traitor's death these days,.

Just real, real stupid.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 01:20 AM

149. Looks like someone's getting a visit from the NSA.

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Response to Fearless (Reply #149)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 02:05 PM

154. Huh? What would the NSA have to do with this? n/t

 

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #154)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 05:53 PM

159. I meant Secret Service.

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Response to Fearless (Reply #159)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 08:13 PM

160. Ah. I thought my alphabet soup had run away with itself for a minute. n/t

 

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 02:49 PM

155. Wsn't there someone back in the Shrub Era...

Who created a work that was an image of Little Boots against a background of nooses? It was supposed to an allegorical commentary on the number of death warrants Shrubbie signed during his tenure as Governor of Texas.

I recall the FBI and SS were VERY interested in it.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sun Jan 29, 2012, 09:10 PM

162. That's sick! n/t

 

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Fri Mar 2, 2012, 04:19 PM

170. Yikes....These kids would do better by their families, and themselves if they

went to the local soup kitchen and helped feed the homeless...

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