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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:40 AM

CNN: NY gunman opens fire on responding firefighters

Source: CNN

Edited to add local news link. Upstate NY. Firefighters responding to a house fire were met with gunfire. Gunman reportedly using "assault rifle." Fire has now spread to second home.

Read more: http://m.nydailynews.com/news/crime/shooter-opens-fire-webster-n-y-house-fire-article-1.1226541?localLinksEnabled=false

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Reply CNN: NY gunman opens fire on responding firefighters (Original post)
Atman Dec 2012 OP
adigal Dec 2012 #1
wake.up.america Dec 2012 #55
Pachamama Dec 2012 #58
Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #2
Atman Dec 2012 #4
Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #9
no_hypocrisy Dec 2012 #3
Earth_First Dec 2012 #5
Atman Dec 2012 #6
geckosfeet Dec 2012 #16
JustAnotherGen Dec 2012 #48
Earth_First Dec 2012 #51
Liberalynn Dec 2012 #82
geckosfeet Dec 2012 #91
Liberalynn Dec 2012 #95
Agschmid Dec 2012 #93
geckosfeet Dec 2012 #94
ileus Dec 2012 #7
sulphurdunn Dec 2012 #8
bl968 Dec 2012 #10
Cleita Dec 2012 #40
tradecenter Dec 2012 #46
freshwest Dec 2012 #53
tradecenter Dec 2012 #59
Shadowflash Dec 2012 #11
Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #30
cynzke Dec 2012 #68
Kolesar Dec 2012 #12
tradecenter Dec 2012 #72
Earth_First Dec 2012 #13
loyalkydem Dec 2012 #14
Earth_First Dec 2012 #15
Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #20
KeepItReal Dec 2012 #24
TheCowsCameHome Dec 2012 #17
City Lights Dec 2012 #18
AllyCat Dec 2012 #19
Shadowflash Dec 2012 #33
AllyCat Dec 2012 #36
Shadowflash Dec 2012 #43
dixiegrrrrl Dec 2012 #89
mzteaze Dec 2012 #96
PasadenaTrudy Dec 2012 #80
ReRe Dec 2012 #21
Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #22
Earth_First Dec 2012 #23
KeepItReal Dec 2012 #25
AllyCat Dec 2012 #27
Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #26
Coexist Dec 2012 #28
OKNancy Dec 2012 #29
Cleita Dec 2012 #31
proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #32
darkangel218 Dec 2012 #34
Earth_First Dec 2012 #38
AllyCat Dec 2012 #45
samsingh Dec 2012 #35
RC Dec 2012 #37
marew Dec 2012 #52
polmaven Dec 2012 #39
AllyCat Dec 2012 #42
polmaven Dec 2012 #47
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louis-t Dec 2012 #44
Earth_First Dec 2012 #49
JustAnotherGen Dec 2012 #50
Festivito Dec 2012 #54
SoapBox Dec 2012 #56
Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2012 #57
Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #60
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Pachamama Dec 2012 #62
cantbeserious Dec 2012 #64
Pachamama Dec 2012 #65
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Tx4obama Dec 2012 #69
AllyCat Dec 2012 #75
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Liberalynn Dec 2012 #77
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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:42 AM

1. Nice...kill the firefighters

Tragedies like the Ct killings just seem to get every other crazy acting out. Sometimes,,it does see like the end of the world. The end of the sane world.

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Response to adigal (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:15 AM

55. Firemen, among the bravest of the brave, And now this?

These guys will have to make sure the area is secure before engaging a fire, A very nasty proposition.

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Response to wake.up.america (Reply #55)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:19 AM

58. 2 Firefighters dead (shot fatally) 2 other firefighters seriously wounded....

Merry Fucking Christmas in the NRA of America everyone!!!

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:54 AM

4. Thanks! It figures CNN would be 30 minutes late

They haven't said a word about it since. But I found out that some reality show star broke up with his girlfriend after three whole years of commitment.

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Response to Atman (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:02 AM

9. I've been watching for 10 minutes and nada...

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:43 AM

3. Maybe if the fire fighters were armed with assault weapons for every fire . . . . .

Comment, Wayne LaPierre???

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:57 AM

5. My hometown...

Webster being a sprawling suburb of Rochester, but hometown none the less.

Details are short and few, at least two firefighters at Strong Hospital, one via Mercy Flight for GSW trauma.

Of course, none of this would have been possible if we armed our firefighters to the gills...

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:59 AM

6. Water cannons?

I'd love to hear LaPierre explain away this one. Maybe if fire trucks has gun turrets?

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:17 AM

16. Hello earth. I was alittle surprised to see that happened in Webster.

Frankly I am really surprised this happened there. But as we have seen - it can happen anywhere. I grew up in Penfield and dread the day...

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Response to geckosfeet (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:55 AM

48. Me too

Scottsville girl - went to A.Q. for high school. City of Rochester or suburb or rural bordertown - things like this aren't what you expect to read.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #48)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:12 AM

51. Scottsville girl?

That's where we live...

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Response to geckosfeet (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:04 PM

82. I from Canandaigua and my sister lives in Rochester

so sad right now. My sis knew one of the firefighters

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Response to Liberalynn (Reply #82)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:49 PM

91. Sorry to hear. Horrible thing to see happen.

BTW - my brothers and sister are in Victor. I am the odd one out who moved out of state - in MA.

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Response to geckosfeet (Reply #91)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 11:43 AM

95. It is a very sad thing.

I travel through Victor often. MA is a beautiful state too.

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Response to geckosfeet (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:54 PM

93. I'm in Henrietta... also too close to home. We need to make changes.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #93)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 09:30 AM

94. I agree. NY has some of the tougher gun laws. But this shooter was criminal from the get go.

Question is, where did those guns come from? The police have them and will track them as far as they can.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:01 AM

7. Isn't this a technique we've seen on the battlefield?

Explode one bomb and then ambush responders.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:02 AM

8. Ambush?

Probably.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:07 AM

10. The NRA

I can hear it already, "Gee if only the firefighters were armed..."

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Response to bl968 (Reply #10)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:39 AM

40. I thought firemen were armed. n/t

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Response to Cleita (Reply #40)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:48 AM

46. Most State Fire Marshal's are armed.

 

They are POST certified and are able to make arrests. Most are firefighters that have come up the ladder and become Fire Marshal's.
Arming firefighters? We've got enough equipment to carry already and besides, that's not our job, but if things don't change in this country vis a vis guns, then all bets are off.

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Response to tradecenter (Reply #46)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:14 AM

53. That was my thought too. How can they do their job with a gun in one hand?

At this rate our only job per the NRA will being to shoot each other 24 hours a day. Not much work to be done with only one hand.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #53)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:21 AM

59. They are no longer active entry certified firefighters

 

They go in after we've extinguished the fire to determine if it's an accident or an act of arson.
And I fully agree with you about the NRA.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:08 AM

11. They need at least one armed national guard member on each truck?

Of course none of this would have happened if we had not taken god out of our firehouses.

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Response to Shadowflash (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:17 AM

30. That last line qualifies

as the best sick humor of the morning so far.

"Of course none of this would have happened if we had not taken god out of our firehouses."

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Response to Shadowflash (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:04 PM

68. Amen!

Praise the Lord and pass the ammo!

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:11 AM

12. Its the price we pay for our constitutional freedoms

I have heard about people shooting at firefighters and EMTs before.
There is some sarcasm in the title.

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #12)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:27 PM

72. It happened to the LAFD

 

and the LVFR during the Rodney King riots. I remember watching a video of someone shooting at LV fire trucks as they responded to fires in NLV.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:12 AM

13. They are allowing (at least) two homes burn while the area is being secured...

The second fire; it is unknown whether or not there is anyone in the building at the time of the fire.

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20121224/NEWS01/121224001/Firefighter-shot-scene-fire-police-hunt-gunman-Webster

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:14 AM

14. How do you defend this nra apologist

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:45 AM

20. They're saying 4 firefighters were shot - two are dead...

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:57 AM

24. Thank you for the link

eom

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:21 AM

17. How many weapons will they find after the fires are out?

My guess is a lot of them.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:31 AM

18. What the fuck! eom

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:35 AM

19. WTF???

If this guy had not had a gun and decided to use a knife, would he have done this kind of damage? NOOOOO!!!!

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:22 AM

33. B-b-but, you know, guns don't kill people.

The shooter could have killed those firefighters with a large rock, if he were determined, and the gun made no difference.

Geez! Don't you know anything?

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Response to Shadowflash (Reply #33)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:33 AM

36. A semi-automatic slingshot? nt

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #36)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:43 AM

43. Yeah.

There you go.

With 90 rock clips.

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Response to Shadowflash (Reply #43)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 04:50 PM

89. "90 rock clips"

Yabba yabba doooo...

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #36)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 06:46 PM

96. Please reserve me...

A basket in hell for cracking up laughing at your post and 90 rock clip comment in response to it.



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Response to Shadowflash (Reply #33)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:56 PM

80. Yes, it's the cars that are killing everyone! N/t

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:46 AM

21. Oh great! The babies....

K&R

...and now the firefighters. This society is splitting right in two before our very eyes.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:48 AM

22. They just said 4 firemen shot and 2 are dead!

Jesus!!!

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:49 AM

23. Update: Four firefighters shot; two deceased

NBC

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:01 AM

25. Police have no info on the status of the shooter(s)

They've only said they have nobody in custody.

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Response to KeepItReal (Reply #25)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:03 AM

27. He must be dead. If they aren't looking for anyone and

have no one in custody, yet the heroes are doing their jobs after losing their comrades and fearing for their safety.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:02 AM

26. Per the D&C, three houses are burning now...

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20121224/NEWS01/312240026/webster-shooting?odyssey=mod|breaking|text|Home

At least two Webster firefighters are dead, and three houses on Lake Road continue to burn after a gunman open fired on firefighters who responded to an early morning fire.

There are no active shooters at the scene, according to a news conference held by Sheriff Patrick O’Flynn.

The fire broke out at 5:45 a.m. at 191 Lake Road on the Irondequoit Bay side of the street.

The gunman open fired on the first firefighters to respond, striking one in the backside. Strong Memorial Hospital confirmed another firefighter was being treated, but it is not clear if he was shot or injured in the fire.

Webster Fire Marshal Rob Boutillier said it is not clear how many other firefighters were hit.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:06 AM

28. the weapon is obviously the innocent victim in this scenario.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:16 AM

29. so sad and depressing

just one horrible thing after another. I'm trying hard to get in the spirit of the season... it's difficult.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:17 AM

31. So I wake up this morning and more shooting? This time firemen?

OMG!!!

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:17 AM

32. They had to stop putting the fire out because of the gunfire.

Good grief, the world has gone mad.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:24 AM

34. There is stil nothing on CNN

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #34)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:39 AM

38. Obviously the media handlers are blocking this breaking news to play damage control for the NRA

You cannot have tragic shootings of children and firemen on Chrismas Eve in the same two week period; just think what that will do for the gun control debate...

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #34)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:47 AM

45. Four hours after it started, CNN FINALLY has a "Breaking News" link.

Did they have to check in with the Dark Lord LaPierre before they could say anything? FOUR HOURS??? The local affiliates worked faster than that.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:32 AM

35. fireman need armed police to protect them

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:38 AM

37. Besides all the other stuff firemen have to wear, now they have to wear bullet proof vests also?

 

GET RID OF THE FUCKIN' GUNS!

With less than 4.5% of the worlds population, why the hell do we need half of the worlds supply of guns!!??

The only continuous denominator with every mass shooting, besides the newly dead, are GUNS.
Somalia doesn't even have this much of a problem. If they did, there'd be nobody left there.

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Response to RC (Reply #37)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:13 AM

52. Absolutely!!!!!

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:39 AM

39. Just went over to FR...

Not a word about it. Ignorance really is bliss, I guess, when it comes to the "right" to own any killing machine you care to.

How sad. Two brave souls lose their lives, not while fighting the fire (which is horrible enough), but shot to death before beginning their duties. My heart is aching.

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Response to polmaven (Reply #39)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:43 AM

42. Another thread says this is a volunteer squad

that is still recovering from an arson in the past year where the family perished.

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #42)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:50 AM

47. I pray that

none of the residents of the 3 fully engulfed homes is killed.

These 2 men volunteered for this dangerous duty and meet their deaths by doing so, My heart goes out to their families.

My home town yesterday marked the first anniversary of the first ever loss of a firefighter in the line of duty. A very solemn day for all of us.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:41 AM

41. Totally absurd!

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:43 AM

44. Media won't report it because they will be accused of siding with antis.

Why is everyone so afraid of the NRA?

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:00 AM

49. Local media 10 NBC reporting a gunman has been 'located'

No details.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:01 AM

50. Non Western/Central New Yorkers

For good updates check out the D & C - http://www.democratandchronicle.com/

It's the local paper back home.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:15 AM

54. Will the NRA suggest guards at all fire sites?

We need to ascertain IF we can figure out what is wrong with these shooters.

If we can't, we need to find out what we can do for each other, quit going to wars, decide we don't mind the deaths, or Constitutionally drop certain guns as a right and maybe not even make it a privilege.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:15 AM

56. Go a head NRA...defend THIS.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:16 AM

57. Now watch the Freepers claim this guy was a Liberal trying to get guns banned.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:24 AM

60. OMG. What kind of gun was used? What the hell is going on in this country? nt

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #60)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:26 AM

61. Assault weapon reported in initial reports. No other info I've seen beyond that.

In other words, the killing kind.

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #61)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:24 PM

70. Prepare for the usual deluge of assault weapon parsing.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:28 AM

62. Our Country is seriously Messed Up.....

Here is a list of the "headlines" from the front page on that NYDailynews page....The only one that gives me hope is the last one titled "Hero Cop in Boston saves drowning woman"....Also that the Israeli's shoot down NRA's claim.... Sigh....now what we need is a Kardashian sisters update...



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Response to Pachamama (Reply #62)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:34 AM

64. The Disease: Republicans And Conservative Ideologies - The Diagnosis: Terminal, The Country Is Dead

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #64)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:44 AM

65. We need a rebirth....

...until that time, we will continue to be diseased.....ugh....I'm trying to be feeling optimistic and positive and then hear about another shooting, this of firefighters....

Time to put on christmas music and turn off TV.....

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:32 AM

63. Ok NRA Apologists And Gun Nuts - How Many More Have To Die - Repeal The 2nd Amendment Now!

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:45 AM

66. When will this madness stop?

More guns = more gun deaths end of story

To all people who want to go on a murder suicide bender please
do the 2nd part first.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:55 AM

67. This is beyond belief.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:06 PM

69. UPDATE: Suspect responsible for shooting 4 firefighters, 2 fatally, ... was found dead at scene


Breaking News ‏@BreakingNews

Suspect responsible for shooting 4 firefighters, 2 fatally, in Webster, New York, was found dead at scene, authorities say - @news10nbc

https://twitter.com/BreakingNews/status/283255411325431808

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #69)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:41 PM

75. link here. One of the dead heroes was an off-duty cop

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #75)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:48 PM

78. And another off-duty police officer was injured too

-snip-

An off-duty Greece police officer driving nearby the was also injured by shrapnel. He was taken to the hospital.

-snip-

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/24/firefighters-shot-webster-fire_n_2358822.html

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:27 PM

71. ARM the Firefighters!!!!

Hose #2 cover Ladder #4 they are going to the second floor.
Roger, suppressive fire hose#2. Get their heads down in all the houses around here.



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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:34 PM

73. Second Amendment America is a scary place to live, work, go to school, fight fires.....

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:40 PM

74. My sister knew one of the voulunteer firefighters that was shot

He was the son of her hairdresser. My sister met him a couple of times when he came into visit his Mom at work. He had just gotten a job as a 911 operator for the Sherriff's department and was a volunteer firefighter as well. She says he was a really nice young man and his Mom was so proud of him.

My sis is crying. What a sad day.

How many more senseless gun tragedies do we have to endure before we all say enough is enough?

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Response to Liberalynn (Reply #74)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:44 PM

76. I came up as a volunteer firefighter

 

before I joined a paid Dept.. I have nothing but the highest regard for the volunteers of this country.
My heart breaks for this Dept.'s and their families loss.

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Response to tradecenter (Reply #76)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:47 PM

77. I share your respect for the volunteers

My late father was a volunteer firefighter too. Thank you for your service as one and as a paid fireman. These men were just trying to help and to lose their life this way. So senseless.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:54 PM

79. NEWS CONFERENCE:

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nbc-news/50289758/#50289758

Police chief fighting back tears.

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Response to janx (Reply #79)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 03:02 PM

86. So Sad..

thanks janx

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:01 PM

81. The NRA has the solution to gun violence

GUNS GUNS and MORE GUNS!!!!!!!!

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:17 PM

83. Guns don't kill people...

...they cause people to want to kill. and the killers fear the guns will be confiscated before they get their chance at the thrill of the kill.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:58 PM

84. What was the official NRA response? - Arm the firefighters?

Pretty bad when those dedicated to save have to duck bullets.

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #84)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 03:10 PM

88. Nah. Hire an NRA member to ride shotgun on every firetruck. (probably)

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 02:06 PM

85. Let's all guess....

 

Let's guess, what is (or was) the shooter's preferred TV or radio network? Where he got his attitude and ideas? Can we? Can anyone guess? Yes?

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 03:07 PM

87. I guess the GOP

Gets to ensure that civil servants cannot do their job, which emans they can hire scabs, who will die, and make the companies money thanks to the "dead peasant" insurance Wal-Mart invented.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 05:25 PM

90. Maybe people who own assault weapons need to be put on watch lists...

first responders might then be able to refer to a database and be forewarned ahead of time!

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Response to AntiFascist (Reply #90)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 05:58 AM

98. Read the article, he was a felon, he stole the guns.

A watch list would not have done a single think to stop that man from doing what he did.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 09:39 PM

97. He was an ex-convict, killed his grandmother with a hammer.

 

Was released on parole. Set his house/car on fire and ambushed the first responders.

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