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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 11:45 AM

 

Fury, anguish after hours-long gang-rape in India

Source: AP



NEW DELHI -- The hours-long gang-rape and near-fatal beating of a 23-year-old student on a bus in New Delhi triggered outrage and anger across the country Wednesday as Indians demanded action from authorities who have long ignored persistent violence and harassment against women.

In the streets and in Parliament, calls rose for stringent and swift punishment against those attacking women, including a proposal to make rapists eligible for the death penalty. As the calls for action grew louder, two more gang-rapes were reported, including one in which the 10-year-old victim was killed.

"I feel it is sick what is happening across the country. . It is totally sick, and it needs to stop," said Smitha, a 32-year-old protester who goes by only one name.

Thousands of demonstrators clogged the streets in front of New Delhi's police headquarters, protested near Parliament and rallied outside a major university. Angry university students set up roadblocks across the city, causing massive traffic jams.

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/12/19/3148505/outrage-in-india-over-gang-rape.html

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Reply Fury, anguish after hours-long gang-rape in India (Original post)
UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 OP
Beacool Dec 2012 #1
Sherman A1 Dec 2012 #2
shireen Dec 2012 #4
colorado_ufo Dec 2012 #6
ellenrr Jan 2013 #30
liberalmike27 Dec 2012 #3
ROBROX Dec 2012 #10
xocet Dec 2012 #17
Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #24
blackspade Dec 2012 #5
Odin2005 Dec 2012 #7
AnneD Dec 2012 #8
AlbertCat Dec 2012 #11
okasha Dec 2012 #12
AlbertCat Dec 2012 #18
okasha Dec 2012 #20
AlbertCat Dec 2012 #21
Hugabear Dec 2012 #22
Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #25
AlbertCat Dec 2012 #27
Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #28
seabeyond Dec 2012 #26
AnneD Dec 2012 #13
ellenrr Jan 2013 #31
AnneD Jan 2013 #33
Plucketeer Dec 2012 #9
Liberal_in_LA Dec 2012 #14
obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #15
aquart Dec 2012 #16
ellenrr Jan 2013 #32
zabet Dec 2012 #19
JI7 Dec 2012 #23
Liberal_in_LA Dec 2012 #29

Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 11:51 AM

1. Despicable!!!

When are women and girls going to be treated as equals around the world? We also should look at own own backyard. There are far too many rapes in this country too.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:01 PM

2. Agreed

I can add nothing to your eloquent statement beyond my agreement.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:22 PM

4. yes

it was so sad, that article.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:37 PM

6. It seems even treating women as human beings would be a good start.

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Response to colorado_ufo (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 06:51 AM

30. yes, such as not killing girl babies

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:18 PM

3. India

Is one of the countries that we tend to view mostly in a positive light. Yet is has a lot of room for improvement, in labor, the way they treat women, fixed marriages, and all sorts of other things we put up with not commenting about them.

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Response to liberalmike27 (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:38 PM

10. NUCLEAR IDEA

 

is still a third world country. This modern country like our country has many people who are stuck in the dark ages. This country has 3 times our population and maybe 3 times our social troubles. Nothing will happen over night. It took us hundreds of years to get where we are today. There are areas in this country I would not go and I am white. This country has about 60 million people who voted GOP because they did not know any better.

Idea has its problems and it will take a long time to solve social issues.

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Response to ROBROX (Reply #10)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 06:06 PM

17. Out of curiosity, why do you call India that? n/t

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Response to liberalmike27 (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 11:59 AM

24. We view it as an inexhaustible source of marginally well educated, really cheap labor.

 

And their cuisine, dramatically toned down with lots of meat added, is tasty.

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:22 PM

5. Disgusting.

Rape should not be tolerated anywhere.

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:16 PM

7. I have no words!

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:30 PM

8. For all it's faults....

I have always felt safe traveling in India with my daughter.....Until this last trip. Young college aged tourists are kidnapped for ransom-esp European looking ones. My daughter was missing in Mumbai when her plan landed. Hubby and her boyfriend were frantic and Hubby was ready to fly from Hyderabad to Mumbai to look for her. They finally located her at the airport-the plane taxied into the international side instead of the local.

Rape of women has always been unthinkable to the average Indian. No matter what one had to worry about being a woman in India...rape was not one of them, until now. This is so sad.

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Response to AnneD (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:42 PM

11. No matter what one had to worry about being a woman in India...rape was not one of them...

"until now."



Really?

I'm not any kind of expert on India, but 2 of the 20th century's biggest novels about India, Scott's "the Raj Quartet" (actually 4 books) and Forster's "Passage to India" center around rape. One book is from the 1920's and one from the end of WWII. And written about the British in India. But rape back then was enough to write a bunch of books about.

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 03:06 PM

12. You do know

that those books are novels, right? As in fiction.

We don't have many encounters with extraterrestials or dragons these days, but there's any number of science fiction and fantasy novels on the subject.

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Response to okasha (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 01:19 AM

18. extraterrestials or dragons

DON'T EXIST!

Rape is...uh...real! And they are realistic novels! Not all fiction is complete make believe...you do know that, right?

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 05:44 PM

20. Let me rephrase this in elementary terms.

Novels are not reality.

No one was arguing that rape does not exist. The original statement was that it has historically been rare in India. If you want to argue with that statement, produce some statistics, not fiction.

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Response to okasha (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 01:10 AM

21. From Wikipedia:

"Rape in India has been described by Radha Kumar as one of India's most common crimes against women. In the 1980s, women's rights groups lobbied for marital rape to be declared unlawful, as until 1983, the criminal law (amendment) act stated that "sexual intercourse by a man with his own wife, the wife not being under fifteen years of age is not rape". Marital rape is now illegal in India but is still widespread. Official sources show that rape cases in India has doubled between 1990 and 2008
A poll produced by Thomson Reuters foundation revealed that India is the world’s fourth most dangerous place for women and worse than Somalia. India fared only slightly better than Afghanistan and Congo. The NCRB stated that a total of 21,397 rape incidents were reported nationwide in 2009. There were also more than 25,000 cases of kidnapping and abduction of women, while cases of molestation numbered more than 38,000....."

It goes on....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_India


Of course this may not go back far enough for you to be "historical". But if they are lobbying in the 1980's, it must have gotten bad before then. And to be fair to you of course, it does say cases have doubled since 1990. But my point was that if back in the 20s someone is using rape in India as a whole motivation for a novel...a novel that may be fiction but not fantasy... it must have been a plausible starting point. I just never thought of India as being particularly enlightened in their treatment of women throughout their history. Maybe it's the Sati thing....

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #21)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:43 AM

22. Uncle Tom's Cabin was also a work of fiction

Don't you know that novels have absolutely no bearing on the writer's contemporary world? After all, they're fiction - so everything in novels is made-up.

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #21)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 12:28 PM

25. And so ends the conversation...

 

The typical tactic of a DU expert.

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #25)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 08:46 PM

27. The typical tactic of a DU expert.

To look up information on the subject??? Those DU experts!

And I haven't called for an end to the conversation. I find it curious that rapes in India have doubled since the 1990s. Why????

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #27)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 11:42 PM

28. That was a reference to okasha, the expert on Indian culture.

 

Defends a false hood with a logical fallacy, and when confronted with factual evidence to the contrary, simply goes away. Which, I suppose, is a blessing in itself.

As to the doubling, it is almost certainly a product of greater reporting rather than a significant increase in the acts.

Sorry for the confusion.

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Response to okasha (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 12:33 PM

26. there are people fighting hard that rape/gang rape is anything different from yesterday.

it serves them well, with agenda.

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 03:44 PM

13. Hubby is Indian...

as such, he is expected to obey the India social mores. I and my daughter are Americans, thus we fall outside the social customs. We were always treated as honored guests and they were always looking out for us.

We can get away with much more than your average Indian woman could. I remember when hubby bought an Ambassador (similar to a 66 Bel Air) for use to travel around in (it came with a chauffeur for a few weeks). I cannot tell you how shocked the mechanics were when I popped the hood and crawled under engine (wearing my sari) to check it out before we bought it. All of them came out from under their respective shade trees to watch me give it a once over. They were nodding their heads in approval when I felt and smelled the oil and checked the other fluids. They are still probably talking about that crazy American woman.

I grew up in a major American city so I am use to being careful. The first time I heard about a rape was of a young Japanese tourist that was catching a late train. Many would try to blame the victim, but let's face it...there just isn't much crime in Japan and I could see how she might have thought it was safe to catch such a late train in India. This happened in Hubby's hometown 2 years ago and everyone was upset.

Maybe it is under reported, but I also think it has generally not been prevalent either.

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Response to AnneD (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 07:12 AM

31. Actually rape has always been a huge problem in India

It is a huge problem everywhere obviously. One rape is one rape too many. But it has existed for years in India as a common crime against women. Radha Kumar author writes about it. Plus there are no consequences, in 2012, 635 rapes REPORTED (about half of how many actually took place) ONE conviction. In India people do not like to get involved with the police. Another factor is that altho India probably has as many religions as it has languages, Hinduism is the dominant religion. Hinduism is based on social and gender caste. And keeping women "in their place"

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Response to ellenrr (Reply #31)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 02:04 PM

33. Hubby and I ....

have still been having spirited discussions about this case, especially since the young lady has died from her injuries and as the extend of those injuries have become known. I think this incident has provoked a great sea change in Indian public opinion. This is most evident in the younger Indians, but it seemed to have shocked many older Indians too. The fact that a large number of politicians have been charged with some sort of harassment or sex charges has not gone unnoticed either. I feel that the death penalty is a possibility and the most brutal of the assailants was 17 1/2 yo and may cause the government to re-evaluate the rules concerning majority.

Rapes and other sex crimes are starting to make the front pages, no longer buried, if acknowledged at all. And as anyone dealing with serious problems knows, the first step to recovery is to admit you have a problem.

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:35 PM

9. What's ONE capable word?

One word that can ably describe the mix of anger and remorse we feel regarding these women/girls???

I was laid up in a hospital (medical infirmary) in Vietnam in 1965. I had a leg infection they were treating. During my stay there, I was witness to many folks coming and going for treatment of all sorts of maladies. ONE stands out in my mind - a young Vietnamese gal who'd been assualted by about 20 Marines - American men reduced to mere animals. They'd gotten this girl drunk and then decided to have some fun with her. Someone finally intervened and took her to the infirmary, where she was treated. NO repercussions for her transgressors though! Despicable!

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:01 PM

14. it's time women took their anger to the streets

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:12 PM

15. There are often separate rail passenger acrs for women

In India, because of harassment. Or so I've seen on the "Amazing Race."

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 05:06 PM

16. Men who hurt women and children should not be welcome on planet earth.

Or Mars. Perhaps outer space will take them.

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Response to aquart (Reply #16)

Sat Jan 5, 2013, 07:15 AM

32. Yes! ... I would add, "or animals."

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 10:52 AM

19. ...

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 03:04 AM

23. last i read they were blaming girls wearing short skirts and tight jeans

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 05:12 AM

29. kick

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