Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:06 PM

alp227 (20,445 posts)

Ireland to legalise abortions where woman's life is at risk

Source: the guardian

In a move unthinkable even a few years ago, the Irish government has confirmed it will introduce legislation permitting abortions in limited circumstances.

The decision follows pressure from the European court of human rights, which ruled that abortions should be allowed in the republic in cases where a woman's life was at risk.

The taoiseach, Enda Kenny, who represents one of the most traditional rural Catholic constituencies in Ireland, said the Fine Gael-Labour coalition would proceed with a mixture of "legislation with regulation".

The measures would be based on proposals from the so-called Expert Group. The reforms are expected to allow for terminations where there is a medical risk to a woman's life or when she is thought to be in danger of killing herself. It is unclear whether the law will allow for terminations in cases of rape or sexual abuse.

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/18/ireland-legalise-abortion-life-risk

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Ireland to legalise abortions where woman's life is at risk (Original post)	alp227	Dec 2012	OP
Wow. How generous of them!	BigDemVoter	Dec 2012	#1
Lets add to that, it be wonderful if all Religion would get out of politics.	teddy51	Dec 2012	#3
It's to bad it took a womans death to get to this point, but I guess some good did come	teddy51	Dec 2012	#2
Good friend was almost an Irish statistic	Rambis	Dec 2012	#4
It seriously sucks when it gets to that point, there needs to be a higher authority	teddy51	Dec 2012	#5
+1000 (nm)	Rambis	Dec 2012	#6
TOO BAD, they let that young woman DIE, pleading to LIVE! How many others?	CarmanK	Dec 2012	#7
How's that doctor doing? Got a lot of new patients?	aquart	Dec 2012	#13
I thought they already had it that way,	SheilaT	Dec 2012	#8
The Courts ruled against law. The Legislature made no moves. Doctors did not have regs.	ieoeja	Dec 2012	#14
A women's life is always at risk during pregnancy.	Hissyspit	Dec 2012	#9
I thought they already had that, but doctors were too afraid of making	petronius	Dec 2012	#10
So let let ectopic pregnancies rupture?	HockeyMom	Dec 2012	#11
Oh, gee. How magnanimous.	aquart	Dec 2012	#12
+1000	smirkymonkey	Dec 2012	#15

Response to alp227 (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:07 PM

BigDemVoter (732 posts)

1. Wow. How generous of them!

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Just a good example of WHY the Roman Catholic Church should get the fuck out of politics. The sterile eunuchs of the RCC shouldn't EVER be allowed to make ANY choices about what a woman does or doesn't do with her own body.

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Response to BigDemVoter (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:10 PM

teddy51 (3,491 posts)

3. Lets add to that, it be wonderful if all Religion would get out of politics.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:08 PM

teddy51 (3,491 posts)

2. It's to bad it took a womans death to get to this point, but I guess some good did come

from it.

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Response to teddy51 (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:11 PM

Rambis (7,585 posts)

4. Good friend was almost an Irish statistic

they finally did the procedure but she almost died when the kids were already gone.

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Response to Rambis (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:14 PM

teddy51 (3,491 posts)

5. It seriously sucks when it gets to that point, there needs to be a higher authority

step in and tell them to do the procedure to save the life.

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Response to teddy51 (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:15 PM

Rambis (7,585 posts)

6. +1000 (nm)

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:20 PM

CarmanK (648 posts)

7. TOO BAD, they let that young woman DIE, pleading to LIVE! How many others?

What is the body count aggregation in order for this law to be passed?
How many died, before social media made this a horrendous violation of human rights?

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Response to CarmanK (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:19 PM

aquart (67,535 posts)

13. How's that doctor doing? Got a lot of new patients?

Because I really want someone who will kill me for the Pope.

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Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:27 PM

SheilaT (12,448 posts)

8. I thought they already had it that way,

but the doctors there still refused that poor woman an abortion.

It looks like they're adding a mental health, rape, and incest clause now.

Will they also allow a conscience cop-out for the doctors?

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Response to SheilaT (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:08 PM

ieoeja (7,881 posts)

14. The Courts ruled against law. The Legislature made no moves. Doctors did not have regs.

Once the courts ruled there was no law against it, but no law allowing it. So they were afraid of being prosecuted.

This will give them limited, but at least defined, situations in which they will be allowed to do their job.

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Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:08 PM

Hissyspit (40,059 posts)

9. A women's life is always at risk during pregnancy.

Assholes.

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Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:48 PM

petronius (19,651 posts)

10. I thought they already had that, but doctors were too afraid of making

the 'life at risk' call for it to be any good. If this doesn't include some sort of iron-clad protection for doctors and women making that decision, this seems like little more than CYA window-dressing.

And in truth, the only way to really provide 'protection of life' access is an absolute pro-choice position...

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Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:02 PM

HockeyMom (10,708 posts)

11. So let let ectopic pregnancies rupture?

Let god/nature "abort" the baby and then furiously try to save the woman's life?

No abortions on a fallopian tube?

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Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:17 PM

aquart (67,535 posts)

12. Oh, gee. How magnanimous.

Sanctimonious pricks.

A church of men, murdering women for centuries while government kowtows.

I LOVE THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE! Let's have more of it.

Ireland to legalise abortions where woman's life is at risk

1. Wow. How generous of them!

3. Lets add to that, it be wonderful if all Religion would get out of politics.

2. It's to bad it took a womans death to get to this point, but I guess some good did come

4. Good friend was almost an Irish statistic

5. It seriously sucks when it gets to that point, there needs to be a higher authority

6. +1000 (nm)

7. TOO BAD, they let that young woman DIE, pleading to LIVE! How many others?

13. How's that doctor doing? Got a lot of new patients?

8. I thought they already had it that way,

14. The Courts ruled against law. The Legislature made no moves. Doctors did not have regs.

9. A women's life is always at risk during pregnancy.

10. I thought they already had that, but doctors were too afraid of making

11. So let let ectopic pregnancies rupture?

12. Oh, gee. How magnanimous.

15. +1000