Oklahoma Will Consider Law Allowing Teachers To Bring Guns To School

where you can carry a gun almost anywhere. I expected it as soon as this happened, it opened the door for the people who want us all armed and dangerous.

in a restaurant the other day. Felt uncomfortable seeing it.

on my way out I told the manager why I was leaving. There were kids all over the place!

But in school settings, the staff would be targeted first since they are the biggest threat to the attacker whether the staff is armed or not.

I have to go to the end of the driveway to check the mailbox. Should I wear a side arm?

This is actually a great (republican) idea. It will keep teachers at home, increase home schooling and help kids keep from learing bad stuff (like science). You know, in a free country, you just can't have too many ignorant, scared, armed and dangerous people.

You hardly ever see anyone do it. It also did not stop Columbine now did it?

it is whether or not you should. Would we all be better off living in a combat zone?

"The Gun-Free School Zones Act (GFSZA, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 922(q)) is a federal United States law that prohibits any individual from knowingly possessing a firearm at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone."

teachers should be allowed to carry on school grounds if they choose to.

up? And what is "properly trained"?

in school. As long as would-be shooters know there is a chance of armed resistance, that is a deterrent.

Concealed would be better so would-be shooters don't know exactly who carries.

Personally, I would keep it in a locked drawer.

Would having a gun save the initial victims. Probably not. The first targets would not have time to react. But is likely would reduce the number.

Most shootings, including Sandy Hook, ended when the shooter faced or imminently faced armed resistance. Some mass shooting lasted over an hour. Columbine lasted 50 minutes.

As for Columbine, I believe the police waited for SWAT to show up before entering the school but I'm not sure. I know that the shooting here at the mall (Clackamas Town Center last Tuesday) the police went right in and were there within minutes of the initial call.

I would think for those carrying in a school, an initial ~4hr class that includes shooting fundamentals and gun familiarization (assembly/disassembly/cleaning) with a shooting session.

Followed by another 2 hours of scenario-driven shooting exercise mixing simulated fire and real fire on the range. And repeat that every 6 months.

I'm a big 2A advocate but I think things need to be tightened up. I just got my CCP in CO and I didn't require any training since I had left the military within 3 years. That actually concerned me. If I hadn't gone through 9mm/M4 (GUA-5) training a year or so prior for deployment training, it would have been over 20 years since I had any training. In that time, I had fired my shotgun twice. That was it.

And I don't need training for 5 years. I am very cautious and respectful of guns so I will make sure I am completely comfortable and competent with a handgun before I will carry in public.

I was also surprised when I went in last Friday morning to buy a handgun (I'd been planning it for a while and it had nothing to do with the shooting) and was surprised to find out that I could have walked out a half hour later if they didn't need to special order what I wanted. I thought there was more of a waiting period.

Frankly, I would be more comfortable with training being required, even for military, unless they have had actual training within the past two years. And I support a week waiting period to buy a gun.

I could even live with a license being required to open carry as long as it is not cost-prohibitive.

I don't think teachers should be armed because putting a gun inside a school with kids/teenagers is a dangerous mix. The reason being kids/teenagers are mentally immature and with teenagers, well, they can be pretty emotional. My daughters 3rd grade teacher is a small lady and when thinking about someone like that in high school (I had them) could easily be overpowered by a teenage boy. Besides that, I don't think putting a gun inside a school is a good idea. There are just too many variables.

is a gun already being in the school. Even having several teachers with them locked in a drawer could have saved several lives. No all, of course, but every single one matters and saving one would be worth it.

Obviously, in the case of a small lady who was worried about being overpowered, carrying it on her person would not be smart. But her screams (if attacked) could bring another teacher.

"We have a rampant disease here. I've got an idea! How about if we treat the disease by bringing in more germs and infecting everybody! USA! USA! USA!"

Dropped.

Left unintended.

Stolen.

The GOP/NRA = gun insanity.

yup

We'll have armed teachers, and then some teacher will leave it unattended, or will drop it, or some student will overpower the teacher and take it away from them, and someone is going to get shot and killed.

We don't pay these people enough for the responsibility of teaching. You want them to be security guards, too?

with a teacher and a gun. Wonderful teacher, who unfortunately was very depressed after his divorce and losing custody of his kids. All the kids loved him and my daughter always talked about how great Mr. P her Science teacher was. Well, maybe not exactly.

Mr. P one night went back to his Science Lab and shot himself in the head. Fortunately, he was discovered the next morning by the custodian and not the KIDS. Horrible. WHY did he choose to commit suicide in the school where a child could find him? Maybe because it was the placed he loved so much?

The kids were received counseling for just the trauma of this. My own daughter did. She cried for days and refused to go in that Lab.

This not a made up "story". I guess I have had too many experiences in my 64 years. No, I don't want teachers, or me, with guns in schools.

The likelihood of this happening is probably greater than the probability of a killer walking into a school. Then there is the question of whether teachers can be trained well enough and stay trained well enough to be effective in a high adrenaline school shooter situation.

They really are irrational. We need to realize that aspect of their pathology when dealing with them.

These folks are flat out NUTS

Most of these mass-shooting cowards are wearing vests, lately. A teacher suddenly on "defense" against a shooter who's already spraying bullets down the hall (assault-weapon style) would have almost no chance of getting a kill-shot on the mass-shooter. Even armed and returning fire, a teacher would likely end up dead, just like the brave principal and teachers at Newtown.

People think just because it is easy to pull the trigger that it is easy to shoot somebody with a gun in a high adrenaline situation. Most civilians would not even get the gun out of the holster before being gunned down.

"So many of you people who advocate "more guns" have no understanding what it takes to take a life. None at all. None at all. Assault weapons are the problem. Making them mainstream is the problem. But advocating more guns. 300 million legally purchased weapons in this country, lol. More concealed carry laws? What is wrong with you? Most people, are not killers. Look at statistics, a person who pulls a gun is more likely to be shot. It comes down to one thing, they teach us in the Marines, "never point your weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot". How many people have actually killed? How many people with an assault weapon pointed at them, with no training, will have what it takes to take down a gunman? More guns, only increases the odds of somebody legally owning and carrying a concealed weapon, getting past any type of security, and being able to open fire. Not only that, if you are not willing to take a life, if you hesitate for a second, then that gun you are carrying for self defense, means nothing, because that person is willing and ready to kill in a heartbeat. Are you? and if you say yes, you have mental issues. Because I had to become that in Iraq, it is painful, and not easy, and is why we have such a hard time adjusting back to the civilian world. To willfully take a life, means you have to become a monster. All of you speak a big game about this, but none of you know what it takes, to take a life"

...and all of the other souls who have had to look into the eyes of a stranger and pull the trigger in the name of their country. I feel for all the people who have been carrying out a political agenda that bears little resemblance to the noble ideals that they signed up to defend.

I hope that you can one day find peace...

...what happened on Friday.

don't want the legal liability of a gun accidentally going off in class and possibility hurting a child.

More guns to combat a problem of too many guns. Makes just perfect sense. Little kids won't EVER get a hold of those guns, will they? Teachers are so carefully trained in marks that they can shoot an apple off someone's head, right? They are so cool under pressure they can shoot a terrorist coming in the door and never miss a beat of "My Pet Goat" to the unsuspecting children.

Jeez.

It's a backwards state. It's getting worse. But there are a lot of good Democrats here.

Are you implying that if the day care teachers in this building were packing, this would have never happened?

Class sizes are through the roof and now they want teacher to buy guns and work as unpaid security guards?

Allowing them to pack heat in school is whacko squared!!! Teachers shooting kids they don't like, students shooting teachers they don't like. Couple all these guns in states with "stand-your-ground' laws and we have a nation on the brink of self-destruction.

For real! That's like saying the solution to a crack addicts addiction is more crack so stupid....

SYG Florida. Talk about FAST. This is the Republicans answer. MORE GUNS. Can you imagine the problems there would be a city like MIAMI with hundreds of school staff carrying around guns????

I wonder what Joe Scarborough has to say about this.

other states, other cities. For example, Chicago. There are over 600 elementary schools there and probably around 100 high schools there. In the elementary schools, there are security guards at the school entrances. In the high schools there are, in addition to security guards, metal detectors and scanners of book bags. In any case, it's not all dumped on teachers at either level, whose job is instruction and promoting a learning climate, not the fear-ridden climate of a gun culture.

Also, at the high school level, all adults and students wear visible ID's at all times, since the mobility of high schoolers in and out of buildings is much greater. It seems like a much easier, more obvious solution for all these states trying to force teachers to carry guns. It really seems as if this is a manipulative attempt by these gun-ridden states to tip the public opinion scale to discourage the functionality of schools so much that they'll just want to shut down public schools.

to have separate people in Law Enforcement and Education. Now we can just pay one person to be both. If we could just get the teachers to drive to school in shiny red trucks with hoses, we could save a fortune on that redundant Fire Department!

More Guns & 1/3 the Public Employees! A republican's wet dream!!!!!

and they can be there own first responders as well.

Teachers are so overpaid they should be painting curbs as well!

Do you imagine some kindergarden teacher... even heavily armed and trained... kindergarten teacher is gonna be able to “hold 'em and squeeze 'em” while under fire and trying to shield her kids..? Somebody who has never fired a round in combat is going to calmly fire a head shot on somebody wearing body armor? Dream on. The "Die Hard" movies are not documentaries.

Where is the teacher going to wear or store their weapon? Kids get into everything in classrooms. Any teacher will tell you about how their keys/purse/grade book was stolen. Imagine a handgun going adrift in a school. You really want teachers wearing a handgun at their waists? That’s a recipe for an accidental discharge. If the teacher’s weapon is locked away securely, how long would it take to retrieve it in an emergency?

Ever hear of fratricide... blue on blue... friendly fire...? It happens with the best of trained troops. Think Pat Tilman. Now think 3 or 4 untrained shooters spraying rounds around a school. I've been in firefights, and I can tell you it's not like the movies.

With teachers - or anybody else - you're talking about a bloodbath before the bad guy gets off a single round. How would the teacher/guard know that anybody with a weapon wasn't the bad guy? They’d shoot each other, or more probably miss and kill those they are trying to protect.

And what do think the cops are going to see when they arrive...? A teacher standing there with a weapon. Bye-bye (hero) teacher!

Teachers are trained to teach. They are not warriors. These days, I'd even be nervous having a cop armed with a handgun on campus... he could be overpowered and the weapon used on students.

I have no idea what to do to stop the school shootings, but I know arming the teachers or students is the stupidest goddam thing I can imagine.

Besides, teachers - especially elementary teachers - are surrogate parents, counselors, nurses.....are you gonna ask them to be armed guards, too.? Anybody willing to pay teachers combat pay..?

On most military bases, unless you are involved in training, weapons are kept in the armory. That includes personal weapons for people who live in base housing.

even there, they do not allow trained soldiers to walk about armed to the teeth, so why should teachers, who are not trained soldiers, do so?

In a school, history shows there is a reasonable chance that armed protection would be needed. So the teachers with guns would effectively be on duty.

On the other hand, there is the point you made.

sick, sick, sick or dumb.