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Tue Dec 18, 2012, 11:56 AM

At least 4 dead in apparent Colo. murder-suicide

Source: Associated Press

LONGMONT, Colo. (AP) Four people were found dead Tuesday in Colorado after a woman called police to report a shooting and was apparently shot to death while she was on the phone.

Weld County sheriff's spokesman Tim Schwartz says dispatchers heard the woman who called 911 scream "No, no, no," and then they heard a gunshot. Schwartz says a man grabbed the phone and said he was going to kill himself, and dispatchers heard another shot.

The bodies were found in a home in a subdivision east of Longmont, which is about 35 miles north of Denver.

The dead included two men and two women, including one who appeared to be in her late teens or early 20s.

Read more: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gZEPCbOIdxtbwmb_O3eG_ADxfRDA?docId=fde569d68483452098769b168a7d996e

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Reply At least 4 dead in apparent Colo. murder-suicide (Original post)
IDemo Dec 2012 OP
SemperEadem Dec 2012 #1
Th1onein Dec 2012 #4
ThatPoetGuy Dec 2012 #6
Comrade Grumpy Dec 2012 #14
Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #15
Th1onein Dec 2012 #29
TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #8
maxsolomon Dec 2012 #9
Th1onein Dec 2012 #30
Th1onein Dec 2012 #35
Tempest Dec 2012 #11
Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #16
Tempest Dec 2012 #21
Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #27
muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #22
Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #26
progressoid Dec 2012 #28
Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #32
Th1onein Dec 2012 #36
PSPS Dec 2012 #18
Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #20
Kali Dec 2012 #23
Aristus Dec 2012 #34
Th1onein Dec 2012 #37
crim son Dec 2012 #38
Locut0s Dec 2012 #41
Dems to Win Dec 2012 #2
Turbineguy Dec 2012 #3
maxsolomon Dec 2012 #10
Tempest Dec 2012 #12
maxsolomon Dec 2012 #19
Turbineguy Dec 2012 #13
triplepoint Dec 2012 #5
xchrom Dec 2012 #7
lbrtbell Dec 2012 #17
LanternWaste Dec 2012 #25
Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #33
kelliekat44 Dec 2012 #24
fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #31
Beacool Dec 2012 #39
Superbot Dec 2012 #40

Response to IDemo (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 11:57 AM

1. it never ends...

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Response to SemperEadem (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:02 PM

4. It will end when they stop handing out SSRI drugs like candy

Guns or no guns. I am not a gun owner; I don't believe in collecting them, etc. But, I also don't believe that guns are the problem. There is an increase in these types of incidents because of the medications, specifically SSRI drugs, that we are giving to people. Five percent have adverse, violent reactions to them. It takes only one of them with a gun to wreak havoc. That's what we're seeing right now. And the nightly news, which runs ads for pharmas almost moment to moment, is not going to report it.

I'm screaming "Fire" in a crowded theatre. I'm sorry, but the building is burning down around us.

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Response to Th1onein (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:13 PM

6. Blame it on the mentally ill. Victimize the powerless. With no evidence whatsoever.

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The mass killing at a Denver bar a few weeks ago was over money. Had nothing to do with mental illness.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/arrested-murders-botched-denver-bar-robbery/story?id=17507318

There IS one thing in common, in every mass shooting. And that's the easy access to powerful firearms.

There are mentally ill DUers who are being made to feel unwelcome, because some people would rather blame the innocent than address the truth.

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Response to ThatPoetGuy (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:50 PM

14. What are you talking about? James Holmes was being treated for mental illness.

Are you just making stuff up?

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Response to ThatPoetGuy (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:53 PM

15. What?

 

James Holmes had no record of mental illness.

He may have had no record of it, but it seems pretty clear he had it:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/21/james-holmes-mental-health-colorado_n_1820450.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/28/dysphoric-mania-james-holmes-mixed-mania-bipolar-disorder_n_1836744.html
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/09/13203273-aurora-shooting-suspect-james-holmes-mentally-ill-attorneys-say?lite

Look, I feel sorry for anyone who's sick. And it sucks that we live in a country where wealth determines your health care.

But we cannot refuse to look the problem in the truth here: Almost universally, when one of these mass shootings happens we find out that there were clear underlying mental issues at play. And often, the shooter was taking drugs for mental illness.

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Response to ThatPoetGuy (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:55 PM

29. I am in no way blaming the mentally ill. I don't know how you could have come to that conclusion.

I am blaming the SSRI compounds.

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Response to Th1onein (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:24 PM

8. It will end when we stop handing guns out like candy.

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Response to Th1onein (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:26 PM

9. Keep pushing your pet issue

Was this shooter on SSRIs? Do you know? Or are you just blowing smoke out your ass?

Quick access to guns is the common factor to all impulse mass killings. Not SSRIs.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:57 PM

30. SSRI drugs are commonly prescribed to treat Aspergers.

It's a pretty good bet that this kid was on them. He reportedly suffered from Aspergers.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:08 PM

35. I care about my countrymen. I care about those children. I care about my own child, and my

grandchild. And my fellow man, in general. I speak out because I see a need to.

These drugs are known to cause violence, and especially in young people. And, yet, we are medicating our youth in record numbers. It is no surprise to me that we are also now seeing this type of violence in record numbers.

The media won't report it because they make too much money off of the companies that manufacture and dispense these drugs. So, yeah, I'm saying it. And I will continue to say it until someone pays attention and does something about it.

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Response to Th1onein (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:40 PM

11. WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE PRESCRIPTION DRUGS WERE INVOLVED?

Even the tiniest bit of evidence. Anything.

Fucking gun nuts will say anything to keep from discussing the elephant in the room.


And for the record, I own guns and I'm in favor of gun restrictions. I had NO problem with registering them in my state as required by law.

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Response to Tempest (Reply #11)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:54 PM

16. It was reported that the shooter was on a drug.

 

FANTRAP or something like that. I cannot find the report now. The reporting on this case has been terrible. The facts change almost by the hour.

Here is another report.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/adam-lanza-is-recalled-as-a-rambunctious-kid-with-family-problems/2012/12/14/795ad0fe-4641-11e2-8e70-e1993528222d_story.html

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Response to Atypical Liberal (Reply #16)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:18 PM

21. MAJOR FAIL!

Your post is about Connecticut, this story is out of Colorado.

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Response to Tempest (Reply #21)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:28 PM

27. Sorry, it's hard to keep all the mentally ill people straight. n/t

 

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Response to Atypical Liberal (Reply #16)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:22 PM

22. That report was based on a hoax

See http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2012566
and http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2015330

That's why you can't find the report - it's been withdrawn. There is no proper report that Lanza was on any drugs.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #22)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:28 PM

26. Thank you.

 

Like I said, the reporting on this case has been terrible. Facts come and go almost hourly.

There is still testimony by neighbors that Lanza was on some kind of medication. It is not clear what yet.

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Response to Atypical Liberal (Reply #16)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:52 PM

28. You can't find the article because it doesn't exist.

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Response to progressoid (Reply #28)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:59 PM

32. As I replied above, thanks.

 

The misinformation presented in the reporting on this case is abysmal.

It now appears that Lanza was on some kind of medication but it is not know what it was at this time.

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Response to Tempest (Reply #11)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:09 PM

36. Look, I'm a pacifist. I don't think anyone should own guns.

I am not a gun nut. Hell, I don't even think we should have a military.

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Response to Th1onein (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:55 PM

18. LOL. "I also don't believe that guns are the problem"

Yes, all these gun killings have nothing to do with guns at all.

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Response to Th1onein (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:01 PM

20. Relevant video

 

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Response to Th1onein (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:24 PM

23. people have been killing each other pretty much from the beginning of time

nothing changes, except the methods

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Response to Th1onein (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:08 PM

34. What did they do? Choke to death on the pills?

I read the article. It clearly stated 'gun shots'.

People die from gun shot wounds; lets ban oral medications. Right...

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Response to Aristus (Reply #34)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:13 PM

37. How silly. SSRI drugs cause violence. Guns are merely the tool to carry it out.

I've said it before, I'll say it again: I am not a "gun nut." I am a pacifist.

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Response to Th1onein (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 09:56 PM

38. Oh, how silly.

I've been on SSRIs for twenty years. The only person I've ever wanted to kill was myself and that was when I wasn't taking my meds. On the other hand, if I did decide I'd like to try murder, I'd choose a gun as my weapon. It's easy and fairly impersonal, unlike a knife or a tire iron.

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Response to Th1onein (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:55 AM

41. I agree they are overprescribed but speaking as a depressed person who...

has been on one SSRIs or another over the years I can tell you that they have helped me a lot and not once have I had a violent thought towards anyone in all that time!

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Response to IDemo (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:01 PM

2. Another victory for the NRA and the Second Amendment! Well-regulated militia in action!

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Response to IDemo (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:02 PM

3. Maybe

part of the problem is that it's less effort and less costly to buy a gun than it is to get treatment.

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Response to Turbineguy (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:31 PM

10. No. Being able to see a shrink isn't going to stop impulse killings.

I just read an article on gun suicide survivors. They asked them how long between deciding to kill yourself and pulling the trigger?

25% said 5 minutes.
another 25% said <20 minutes.
another 25% said <1 hour.

that's suicide, but it demonstrates that often, these are impulses, blinding anger, lashing out. sure, it would be peachy if rage killers had treatment so they never get to that point, but that's not realistic. more realistic is that they don't have easy, quick access to high-powered firearms.

then maybe some stab 4 people to death, but it is unlikely that the body count would be as high as with guns.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #10)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:41 PM

12. A patently ignorant statement

Professional help prevented my brother from committing suicide.

And where did you get the figures you posted?

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Response to Tempest (Reply #12)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:00 PM

19. I'll see if I can find the article

I've been reading a lot on this topic lately, and I don't bookmark everything for DU discussions where I might get called patently ignorant. I'm not saying that psychiatry doesn't help people.

I'm concentrating on the impulse factor in these rage killings. A person may seek help for mental issues (as I have) and learn how to deal with their brain, but a lot don't, financial hindrances or not. Lanza was likely being treated for a number of issues - there are reports he couldn't feel pain, had a flat affect. He wasn't just depressed, he was genetically damaged - and not Schizophrenic like the Giffords shooter or the Aurora shooter.

We'll never know if Lanza planned this for a long time, or shot his Mom in a rage, then decided to go out in a blaze of infamy.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #10)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:41 PM

13. Somebody did some research

on people who had jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge and survived. It's actually quite a significant number. Interestingly enough, all of them said that as soon as they let go the rail they realized they could solve their problems. Only one of the survivors subsequently committed suicide. Most went on to have a better life.

I agree with you. Not having access to a weapon would help the most.

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Response to IDemo (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:04 PM

5. Live By the Gun, Die By the Gun

 

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Response to IDemo (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:16 PM

7. Du rec. Nt

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Response to IDemo (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:54 PM

17. B-b-but calling the police keeps you safe!

I mean, cops can always get to the scene before a homicidal maniac kills you. That's what I keep hearing here, anyway.

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Response to lbrtbell (Reply #17)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:27 PM

25. You can of course point towards

You can of course point towards a post which states "cops can always get to the scene before a homicidal maniac kills you..."

Or is attributing fictional paraphrases simply another mechanism we use when we have little else to rely on?

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Response to lbrtbell (Reply #17)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:02 PM

33. Really? Who said that here?

I mean, cops can always get to the scene before a homicidal maniac kills you. That's what I keep hearing here, anyway.



Links please.

That way no one will be able to accuse you of making up stupid crap.

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Response to IDemo (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:24 PM

24. All that thin air in Colorado affects people with guns. Dangerous.

And in other places just air affects people with guns.

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Response to IDemo (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:59 PM

31. HAD ENOUGH AMERICA?

Sad.

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Response to IDemo (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 11:38 PM

39. I'm soooo sick of these tragedies.

None of them had to happen if we lived in a society that did not glorify guns.

Rest in peace in the afterlife. Lord knows there is no peace in this world.



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Response to IDemo (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:27 AM

40. Respect for life in America is on the decline

 

Tragedies like these will always happens when so many people in a society have little respect for life.

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