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Thu Dec 13, 2012, 02:44 PM

Durbin: White House No Longer Considering Raising the Medicare Age

Source: Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) — One of President Barack Obama's top Senate allies says he's been assured by the White House that the president won't yield to GOP demands to increase the eligibility age for Medicare.

Fellow Illinois Democrat Dick Durbin made the revelation to reporters after a Capitol Hill news conference.

Increasing the eligibility age is a key demand by Republicans seeking cost curbs in popular benefit programs in exchange for higher tax revenues.

Durbin said he's been told that increasing the eligibility age from 65 is "no longer one of the items being considered by the White House."


Read more: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j9yscctohCAHvvfjxWJucaXhF7sQ?docId=8423108b9cb64ee69b4ceec6d7f8b394



This is great news...it is nice to know that the president actually listens to the labor leaders, AARP, progressives on the Hill and grassroots activists who pushed back against this idea.

The bad news is, now I may need to pick a new topic for my health policy seminar. Oh well, small price to pay. I may still write it anyway...this probably isn't the last of this idiotic proposal.

Let's keep up the vigilance to oppose other cuts the GOP might demand.

Now back to my self-imposed exile from this site because I have a big exam tomorrow. Yell at me if I post anything else today.

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 02:51 PM

1. Good news

Still sick at heart that he even considered it.

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Response to lsewpershad (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:01 PM

38. Exactly

"Never was" would have been so much better than "no longer".

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 02:51 PM

2. Is there a way we can plaster this all over DU to finally shut some people up? nt

 

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 02:59 PM

3. You're not bothered that Obama CONSIDERED raising the age for medicare? WTF!!

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Response to Dawgs (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:08 PM

7. That

 

probably was under cover agent Bob Woodard's idea. I suggest the Republicans sleep on it. Tell the Republicans to just run on cutting these programs. We should be happy to run on those issues in the next elections. They want to run against our candidates on getting rid of these programs, pure and simple! They lied in the last Election, just man up and say so! And their platform should be very simple in the next Elections. They want to abolish all those programs and cut taxes for the Wealthy. That is a very simple platform.

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Response to Dawgs (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:18 PM

11. Yeah, I heard that too. From the talking heads of the MSM and some (R)s.

 

Our President played them all.

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Response to Dawgs (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:24 PM

32. I'm fine with "considering" every option, as long as the crummy ones aren't enacted.


I think we ought to consider every alternative to improving our fiscal/economic situation. And, I'd rather it happen under Obama than someone else. Glad, he appears to be taking the right approach to scrapping this idea.

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Response to Dawgs (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:03 PM

39. I would be bothered if he didn't, a smart person looks at ALL of the options..

If for no other reason than to say they did...and to possibly learn new data...


Remind me not to include YOU in any vendor selections

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Response to Dawgs (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 08:44 PM

63. It was an obvious head fake


If he states "I will never consider it" he looks intransigent.


If he states "It was on the table but after careful consideration of the costs and benefits the pain caused outweighs any possible benefit" then it becomes a teaching moment and he again pushes the Republicans further to the right and the public more clearly understands who the real intransigent party is.

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Response to Dawgs (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:22 AM

75. Extroverts sometime say stupid ideas out loud.

I know, because I've embarrassed myself by doing it.

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 02:59 PM

4. or maybe it means that our pressure worked

We know that he was considering this in the 2011 debt ceiling fight, so it's not like there was no reason to be wary of this being on the table.

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:01 PM

5. So you are someone who wants to shut up Duers that you disagree with. What a surprise.

 

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:20 PM

13. The point is not to shut them up ... this is an important topic, and its good for ...

all of us to make sure that our elected representatives are acutely aware of our position on this.

But having said that ... perhaps ... just maybe ... those who have been predicting that Obama is on a mission to kill these programs will take it down a notch.

Not "shut up" ... but maybe take a break from announcing, with great confidence, that Obama is about to screw all of us.

Such predictions have been made over and over on DU in the last few years. Every Obama utterance parsed to find the secret code in which he puts forward his real plan to kill Social Security and Medicare. Its going to happen, any second. Just you wait!!!

And then it doesn't happen. And things return to normal.

But in a few months, DU will again be on fire with predictions of Obama's evil plan.

Or maybe not. Maybe, the discussion will be a productive one.

Or not.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:46 PM

50. This depends upon what Obama is going to do, such as lower the tax rates on corporations.

 

If lowering the tax rates on the rich and super-rich worked so well in the past, this will be a winner.

It will show that the trickle-down theory really works.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #50)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:12 AM

73. What's your specific prediction on when he'll lower tax rates for the rich?

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #73)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:25 AM

76. The wealthy and super-wealthy who own the corporations are "the rich."

 

You're asking for a "specific prediction"?

President Obama is the one who is proposing lowing the corporate tax rate. If we take him at his word, it's going to happen. It's up to him and Congress to decide the specific date when he is going to sign the legislation.

Since you are asking for a prediction, I predict (and this is only my opinion) that he will sign such legislation before he signs the pending let's-send-even-more-jobs-to-foreign-countries-to-benefit-corporate-owners-and-screw-what-is-left-of-the-American-middle-class "free-trade" agreement.

If there is a better way to destroy what is left of the American middle-class than signing the pending TPP (the NAFTA of the Pacific), what is it?


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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #76)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:59 AM

79. That's a lame prediction, and I'll explain why.

We already know that the corporate tax rate, while at 35%, is actually much lower because of the numerous loop holes and deductions that exist. Many companies pay closer to 0% today.

And so, if you want them to pay an effective higher rate than the current 0%, you would need to do something.

Now, one approach would be to decrease the 35% rate, while also removing the largest loop holes and associated deductions. Taking such an approach could actually RAISE the effective tax rate above the near 0% many corporations pay today.

Using your prediction, even if we raised more revenues through such an approach, you would take the rather naive view that since the 35% rate dropped to say 25%, that's bad, even if the effective rate increased from 0% to 20%.

And so ... if you want to make a prediction about how bad such a deal is going to be, please indicate how much revenue you expect Obama to lose in the deal.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #79)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:41 AM

80. Or "if you want them to pay an effective higher rate than the current 0%," enforce the laws.

 

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #80)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:54 AM

84. The loopholes and associated deductions are all ready legal in the current laws.

Which is why you need the laws to change.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #84)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:53 PM

88. Yea, that's why Romeny and others decided to settle with the IRS after having Swiss bank accounts.

 

Perfectly legal.

Are you a tax attorney?

Or are you working on the theory that everyone is presumed to know the law?

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #88)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:18 PM

91. I'm not a Lawyer, but as every American should, I understand how our laws work.

For instance ... you claim Romney "settled" with the IRS. Really????

I'm going to bet you have no evidence of that, although I wish you did. Unless you do, your claim is baseless, and that fact lies at the center of this issue.

And what does Romney's potential tax avoidance issue have to do with how the US economy collapsed thanks to reckless derivatives trading, which was the root cause? Such trading was legal. Thanks to a bill known as the 1999 Graham-Leech-Bliley Act.

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:10 PM

30. shut who up?

all the ignorant assholes that spent countless quantities of time and text before the election trying to silence all those who had concerns over the fact that he hadn't taken it off the table yet?

You know, the ones that were called "concern trolls", rightwing trolls, ect, by those assholes, who maliciously and stupidly charged those concerned with changes in the social safety nets with trying to dampen enthusiasm and throw the election to Mutt?

Do you know any of those people? Use the DU email system and let them know, no?

BHO finally took it off the table.

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Response to stupidicus (Reply #30)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:44 AM

82. Rec

 

Exactly.

And some might, while hoping for good news, wonder whether there is only one table.

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:01 PM

6. Wow. Good news, if true.

 

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:11 PM

8. Great. Stand Tough Dems

No compromise on cuts to Medicare or SS

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:12 PM

9. Let me ask, again ...

If I say, publically, during a negotiation, "Everything is on the table ... We must look at every avenue to strengthen this program" ... Does that mean I would actually consider everything that is raised by the other side?

Example:

"Everything is on the table ... We must look at every avenue to strengthen this program"


Opposition Offer:

We want you to cut program spending by rounding up and killing all program beneficiaries.


No, I would not actually consider that offer ... And, No! I do not have to go on national TV and reject that offer!

That is an admittedly absurd, but on point, example in that why would any President go directly against 95+% of his Caucus? And why would anyone in his caucus require that he address something so absurd?

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:23 PM

15. I think he considered it for maybe 5, 10 seconds tops, then decided

Hell No!

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:53 AM

66. +1,000.

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:54 AM

85. But none-the-less ...

President Obama can truthfully say, "It was on the table and cosidered."

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:28 PM

17. plenty of dems were giving Obama cover

an example is Durbin himself, and Chris Van Hollen. They started changing their tune recently, it was a sign Obama was planning to hold the line on Medicare, so he didn't need their cover. Now Durbin is saying it outright.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:48 AM

83. True, and saying he considered it means the right wing

cannot claim he would not even listen to them - this is why I have no patience with the idea he is to be condemned for even considering it. And he may not have considered it, really. But it's smart to tell the right wing and the people that he did not dismiss the idea out of hand.

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Response to treestar (Reply #83)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:00 PM

86. And it would seem ...

that recent PEW Research Polling indicates that the non-DU public agrees.

By a 53% to 33% margin, the public sees the Republican Party, rather than the Democratic Party, as “more extreme in its positions.” Democrats, on the other hand, are seen as “more willing to work with leaders from the other party” by roughly two-to-one (53% vs. 27%).

http://www.people-press.org/2012/12/13/as-fiscal-cliff-nears-democrats-have-public-opinion-on-their-side/


But never mind, according to some ... they know far more about negotiation strategy than ... well ... everyone!

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:13 PM

10. Kick & Recommend

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:19 PM

12. Very happy to hear this.

K&R

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:21 PM

14. must have been my call this morning


Told 'em I meant business!

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:24 PM

16. no longer?

is Durbin saying that the White House was previously considering raising the Medicare age?

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Response to Enrique (Reply #16)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:56 PM

27. That was my first thought as well.

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:30 PM

18. Like clockwork. Hysterical outrage over rumors on blogs

about Obama killing SS/Medicare gets shut down -- yet again.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #18)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:34 PM

19. Durbin is confirming the rumors were true

Durbin said he's been told that increasing the eligibility age from 65 is "no longer one of the items being considered by the White House."

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Response to Enrique (Reply #19)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:35 PM

35. So the Medicare age is not being raised

Thanks for the confirmation.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #35)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:39 PM

36. yes, now that we are hearing it's off the table

which we hadn't heard until now.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #18)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:36 PM

20. Uh, not "rumors" this time. n/t

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #18)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:42 PM

22. "no longer"

HELLO

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #18)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:08 PM

54. Like clockwork

the people that insist the left is just crazy with wild conspiracies about Him are proven wrong.

"No longer considering" means that it was being considered in the first place. Those crazy leftists were right again, in other words.

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Response to JoeyT (Reply #54)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:57 PM

60. The Medicare age is not being raised, as has been the case every single time

dire predictions about Obama "killing Medicare" have been shouted from the rooftops every few months since he took office. Those of us who have said each and every time that it would not happen have been proven correct each and every time, despite vocal insistence otherwise.

Those are the facts.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #60)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 08:02 PM

61. I had little doubt

he'd leave Medicare and SS alone, for the most part.

Even if he can't run again, and even if he wanted to, he knows launching an attack on either of those would damage our brand too much.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #18)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:14 PM

55. I think the rumors were floated on purpose

To see what the public reaction was. So the protest on blogs, and especially on the White House twitter account, might have helped, if indeed the president has now taken this off the table (Durbin's word on it is probably good, although things could change).

We already knew President Obama had considered agreeing to raise the age in July of 2011, so I figured it was probably at least under consideration.

That said, the rumors about him "killing Medicare/SS" were obviously exaggerated. Raising the retirement age would suck but it wouldn't kill the whole program.

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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #55)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 11:02 PM

64. Hey, YOU! Get to studyin'!

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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #55)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:26 AM

68. No, it would merely kill a lot of people 65-66 who would postpone getting care until they were on--

--Medicare. No big deal.

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:40 PM

21. That should have been the position in the first place.

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:42 PM

23. Yeah, I never thought they would.

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:43 PM

24. Let's lower the age to 55. nm

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:45 PM

25. Yeah instead he's caving on lowering corporate tax rates ...

Y'all just refuse to see it, don't you? He is NOT a progressive/liberal.

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:49 PM

26. Good news!

K&R

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:57 PM

28. Good.

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:00 PM

29. Kind of like me telling my wife, "After some consideration, I've decided not to cheat on you"

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:16 PM

31. Let's lower the age to 0.

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Response to Third Doctor (Reply #31)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:38 PM

46. Yes. Yes.

YES!

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:27 PM

33. Thank goodness, this would have been an unnecessary concession that would have angered the base

& country. Instead of cutting medicare, we should be proposing a single payer system since it would save money and lower the deficit. Imagine eliminating the middle men (insurance companies) and saving employers money on their employees health care.

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:29 PM

34. My Guess Is That The Math Didn't Work

That the savings were so small that it made no sense to make this chain.

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:52 PM

37. Let the Republicans take us over the "Fiscal Cliff" . . .

Let Republican Congressmen take us over the "Fiscal Cliff" if they so choose. Then in 2014 we can elect a few dozen more Democrats to the House of Representatives, and pass nation-wide, single payer health care instead. With that legislation in effect, everyone will have medicare as soon as they're born.

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:08 PM

40. What other rightwing corporate bullshit...

...are they currently considering?

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Response to SHRED (Reply #40)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:29 PM

43. Exactly.

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Response to SHRED (Reply #40)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:34 AM

69. The chained CPI for calculating COLA for SocSec and veterans benefits.

Now we need another statement that THIS is off the table.

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Response to eridani (Reply #69)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:11 AM

71. Personally, I prefer going back to pre-1990 methods to calculating inflation.

If we calculated inflation using the older method, we get an inflation rate hovering just under 6%, likely due to historically low interest rates and relatively high energy prices:



However, if we went to the method Jimmy Carter and earlier presidents used to calculate inflation, we'd be looking at just under 10% inflation. Personally, the revisions and the chained CPI nonsense was likely pushed as a way to under-pay Social Security benefits without actually coming out into the open and officially cutting the program:



I generally follow this website for economic reporting. The person reads through BLS reports and reduces down the gimmicks used to massage the numbers to arrive at these results:

http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/inflation-charts

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:15 PM

41. I'll take it

Disturbing that it would ever have been "considered" by the white house, but none the less, I'll take it and continue to hope that a president who no longer has to worry about reelection will be all the stronger for it.

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:19 PM

42. any concession on entitlements amounts the same thing as a tax increase on the poor and/or elderly.

any change in the home interest deduction or charitable contribution deduction amounts to the same thing as a tax increase on the middle class.

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:32 PM

44. Why all the hostility on this thread (at various points above)?

I don't try to keep up with personalities, so maybe there is a lot of history involved. But, I still don't understand the hostility.

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Response to Maineman (Reply #44)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:40 PM

48. +1000

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Response to Maineman (Reply #44)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:10 AM

72. There are those who have spent the last 4 years predicting, with great assurance ...

that Obama is going to kill Social Security and Medicare.

So every time there is a budget proposal under discussion, or a debt ceiling discussion, or a stimulus discussion, or in this case, a discussion of tax rates ... there is a flurry of those "Obama is going to kill Social Security and Medicare" predictions.

It happens roughly every 6 months or so. There are many threads dedicated to parse Obama's every utterance to find the secret code words he used to lay the foundation for said cuts.

And then .... (insert musical fan fair here) ... it doesn't happen.

For the last 2-3 weeks or so, with the "fiscal cliff" freak out, those predictions have again been put forward over and over here on DU. Obama was going to cave and raise the Medicare age ... yup, it was going to happen, at any second it was going to happen, and Obama would have sold us out because he's really a corporate shill, and raising the age was his plan all along.

So Durbin's statement that raising the age is off the table once again prevents the predictions from coming true (again). And some are not happy about it. They really want Obama to do it so they can say "Ah ha!!" told you. But because it didn't happen, and won't happen, the outrage shifts. He was bad for considering it, he still wants to do it, blah blah, bah.

I tend to think Obama was just stringing the GOP along on this ... let them take the position of raising the age, dare them to do it. Make the GOP come clean in front of the American people. And still say no. Which is what he did.

The predictions will fade. And then in 6 months, or heck maybe in February when the debt ceiling comes back up, the predictions of Obama's evil intent will again surface for a few weeks. It won't happen (again), and then the cycle will continue.

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:36 PM

45. Great news - but will he consider LOWERING it?

A much better idea.

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:39 PM

47. Republicans want Medicare cuts? Repeal the Bush legislation on prescriptions

When Medicare Part D was passed, the government was barred from negotiating lower drug prices with the prescription drug industry. It was reported that insurance companies could separately negotiate lower drug prices. However, there are millions uninsured, so obviously they would not benefit from insurance companies negotiating individually. It would be very interesting to see numbers of what funds could be saved if the Federal Government could negotiate those lower prices, and additionally, I am thinking if great savings could be achieved, that would also benefit participants in Obama Care (we can call it that now, right?).

Of course, the prescription drug companies would not be happy with that (and I am thinking the Republicans would not either, at least those that receiving campaign donations from these entities) that alternative could be President Obama's bipartisan compromise and Boehner could brag he achieved cuts in Medicare, sounds like a possible win/win to me.

Just started to think about this today, so perhaps I am missing something ....

Sam

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:42 PM

49. I called the whitehouse, my senators and rep.

Luckily my sens and rep are somewhat progressive dems.

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:50 PM

51. Woo-Hoo!

Amazing that keeping the status quo now counts as victory. But it does, and it is.

Excelsior!

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:52 PM

52. Excellent news, but it seems

that the earlier reports that it was "on the table" were indeed correct. That is shameful, and I'm glad someone talked sense into him

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:02 PM

53. Is lowering the Medicare age still on the table

Was lowering the age ever on placed on the table? We have pretty low expectations

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Response to Teamster Jeff (Reply #53)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:16 PM

56. I don't think it was ever on the table

At least not as part of the fiscal cliff negotiations. It was a few years ago when the ACA was being considered. Maybe at some point in the future, but it has nothing to do with these negotiations, because it is either revenue neutral (if premiums for buy-in are unsubsidized) or adds to the cost (if premiums are subsidized for people under 65). They are talking about how to lower costs, not raise them.

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:27 PM

57. YAY. Now we need to get them to LOWER the Medicare age.

People over 50 are going to get absolutely reamed, and many millions of them stand to be bankrupted, by skyrocketing insurance premiums coupled with deductibles, copays, and services conveniently excluded from coverage.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #57)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:44 PM

59. How does that rank with you relative to expanding the services provided?

Say, to include Mental Health parity, Dental, and proven reliable and valid alternative treatment modalities, e.g. "naturopathy"?

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Response to patrice (Reply #59)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:18 PM

90. Naturopathy is not the practice of medicine so it should not receive medical care dollars. It is WOO

Mental health care is medical care and there should be no difference in coverage from other medical care. Dental care is not traditionally part of medical insurance. It would be nice if it were, because it has a bearing on physical health. Cosmetic dentistry should be 100% patient-funded.

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 07:34 PM

58. Interesting that this fell off the homepage so quickly when posts consisting entirely of OPINION

representing the other perspective on what is going on with this stayed up there for almost an entire day.

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 08:32 PM

62. "must include a public option"

it ain't over til it's over

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:01 AM

65. Thanks for posting and good luck with your exam...

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:16 AM

67. "This probably isn't the last of this idiotic proposal..."

No shit, Sherlock! Keep those letters, emails, phone calls and faxes coming in, everyone.

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:41 AM

70. It was a stupid idea that doesn't even save taxpayers money. Nt

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:21 AM

74. Cue the Vonage theme!

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:33 AM

77. D'oh! They did a good job of highlighting that the Rs will happily hurt the elderly.

Mission accomplished

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:38 AM

78. Don't worry, be happy. We are going over the Cliff, no matter what.

The rest is all window dressing. The Cliff is coming, embrace the cliff.

The revenue from the increase in capital gains will fix a lot of the issues after the cliff.
There will never be another opportunity to raise capital gains, so bring on the cliff.

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Response to democrattotheend (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:25 AM

81. Great, will make no difference on DU

We'll still see hair on fire posts about it.

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Response to treestar (Reply #81)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:04 PM

87. Nope ...

We'll see post after post of, "Well, President Obama really wanted to; but we beat him back!"

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #87)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:53 PM

89. Yes, we held his feet to the fire!

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