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Tue Dec 4, 2012, 04:58 PM

Congressmanís Restaurant Refused To Serve Muslim Couple

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Source: TPM

RYAN J. REILLY DECEMBER 4, 2012, 4:17 PM 5013
Mohammad Husain and his wife were looking for a bite to eat and a nice place to relax when they stopped in last month at a Shreveport, La. sandwich shop owned by Rep. John Fleming (R-LA).

But that visit soon turned turbulent, Husain told TPM recently, when he found himself locked out of the Subway franchise and his wife locked inside with an employee telling them they were not welcome there because they were Muslim.

ďI never have felt this kind of open discrimination,Ē Husain said in an interview on Friday. ďIím sure thereís people that do discriminate. They have their own prejudices. Thatís human nature. But for somebody to openly at a public place to show that open hatred and openly discriminate upon a religion, I think this should not be allowed.Ē

Neither Fleming nor his spokesman returned calls to the congressmanís office or home. But a manager who runs several Subway franchises owned by Fleming told TPM he has video that proves Husain is wrong about what happened that day. The manager declined to make that public.

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Read more: http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/12/john_fleming_muslim_subway.php?ref=fpa



This OP has been updated:

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 05:00 PM

1. Say bye bye to your seat, congressman.

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Response to Dont call me Shirley (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 05:08 PM

5. They

will probably nominate him for President for 2016.

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Response to NOLALady (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 05:43 PM

14. Yes

 

Sad, but true.

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Response to Warren Religion (Reply #14)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:45 PM

42. And weirdly enough, his running mate

will probably be THIS guy:

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #42)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 02:02 AM

45. That candidate is dead

Brody and Nazir killed him.

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Response to Dont call me Shirley (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 05:13 PM

7. I doubt that

The wack jobs will turn out in droves to vote this guy in again. Lot of haters in northern Louisiana.

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Response to TexasProgresive (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 06:36 PM

18. What's the deal with northern Louisiana? Still stuck in the Civil War/

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Response to freshwest (Reply #18)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:52 PM

43. It's the uptight, Baptist part of the state-as opposed to the black/Creole/Cajun south

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There was a line in THE DIVINE SECRETS OF THE YAYA SISTERHOOD describing the respective parts of the state as "the sin-hungry south and the atonement-hungry north", or something close to that.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #18)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 03:38 PM

55. The whole Republican party is stuck in the civil war

at least, the "base" and the politicians take advantage of it.

When they are tying to think how to improve their reach, this point is always missing.

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Response to question everything (Reply #55)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:26 PM

57. So it's just heavily GOP. Got it.

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Response to Dont call me Shirley (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 05:56 PM

16. LOL

Louisiana re-elected Dave Vitter. Don't be naive.

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Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #16)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 08:14 PM

30. +1000 n/t

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Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #16)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:29 PM

53. LOL!

"Don't be naive." Lest ye become one OF them!

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Response to Dont call me Shirley (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:31 AM

66. Jeez

What is this!?!? 1950? How do you refuse to serve someone, but then lock the husband out and the wife in?

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Response to Glock45 (Reply #72)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 04:17 AM

73. maybe pizza?

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Response to Tunkamerica (Reply #73)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 09:29 AM

75. should be

2 posts since his recent join date and one of them, this one.

this is the other:

http://election.democraticunderground.com/1014328254

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Response to mercuryblues (Reply #75)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 09:55 AM

76. He is still here

Weird.

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Response to Glock45 (Reply #72)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 04:18 AM

74. When did Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph start avoiding pork again?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 05:04 PM

2. That is truly disgusting.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:41 AM

67. +100

 

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 05:05 PM

3. re:Congressmanís Restaurant Refused To Serve Muslim Couple

yes , restraunt owners have the right to refuse service to anyone , BUT it better be a damn good one and not this petty , open and blatent discrimination. hope these folk do file suit .

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Response to allan01 (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 05:33 PM

12. Civil Rights Act Outlaws

I think the Civil Rights Act prohibits discrimination in anything which is involved with interstate commerce. Restaurants, because their patrons come across state lines as well as their supplies qualify.

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Response to marias23 (Reply #12)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 05:42 PM

13. No, it bans discrimination of groups listed in the law. Interstate commerce is not required. (nt)

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:10 PM

41. Not correct--Title II bans discrimination in public accommodations engaged in

interstate commerce. Religion is one of the factors on which discrimination is banned.

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Response to marias23 (Reply #12)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 07:54 PM

24. The right to regulate interstate commerce was the basis

 

for the Supreme Court ruling that discrimination is illegal.

Katzenbach v McClung

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Response to allan01 (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 08:08 PM

25. Not true -- owners can't deny service for any reason

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #25)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 07:24 PM

60. "No shoes, no shirt, no service."

 

Drunk, belligerance;
Screaming or otherwise disruptive children;
Even the fact that you've hated their guts since grade school.

There are plenty of perfectly valid reasons whereby a restraunteur can deny service. Which is why it is spelled out in the law that predjudice and bigotry ARE NOT valid reasons.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 05:07 PM

4. Yes ...

But a manager who runs several Subway franchises owned by Fleming told TPM he has video that proves Husain is wrong about what happened that day.


Completely wrong! The employee didn't tell them they were not welcome because they are Muslim ... the employee said, they were not welcome because they have darkish skin, dressed funny and spoke with a funny accent!

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 06:38 PM

19. Well...

shit. That changes everything.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:20 PM

56. See? It always pays to wait for all the facts!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 05:12 PM

6. knr

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 05:22 PM

8. Is that even legal? nt

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Response to tblue (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 08:09 PM

26. no

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 05:28 PM

9. What does Subway have to say about this? nm

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:44 AM

47. Subway up the street served them, no problem.

A Subway not owned by Fleming. When Subway HQ was contacted, they kicked it back down to Fleming who owns the franchise in question. So not really a Subway problem, it's a problem with this one franchise, and probably, one stupid, ignorant, racist fuck of an employee who's too inbred to understand discrimination is illegal.

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Response to intheflow (Reply #47)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:16 AM

48. I think Subway would be libel. Just sayin. nm

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #48)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:09 AM

49. Nope.

You mean liable, not libel. And the franchisee is liable, not the corporation.

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Response to intheflow (Reply #47)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 12:42 PM

79. Did you read the employee's account of what happened?

She is an African-American woman who tells a somewhat different version of the events in question.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 05:30 PM

10. Ha...another public "outing" a la Akin and Murdock. It's one thing to operate in the shadows

as a pig, but entirely another to be caught in the broad daylight in the hog slop.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 05:33 PM

11. So a resturant that is owned by a guy who was elected to uphold the constitution of the US...

gets caught violating the constitution. How did I know this happened in the south before I even read the post?

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Response to olddad56 (Reply #11)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 07:53 PM

23. Why not wait for the

whole story.

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Response to 840high (Reply #23)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:17 PM

36. Exactly.

I'm a little disappointed in the responses to the OP. It seems most haven't read the whole story.

According to the whole article, there appears to be two sides to this story. Husain even went to a Subway down the street where there was no incident. I'll reserve judgment until I can see the tape for myself.

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Response to Fantastic Anarchist (Reply #36)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:20 PM

63. So why is the manager not releasing it?

 

A potential lawsuit? BULLSHIT! Unless he's planning to drop a pointless and expensive defamation/slander lauwsuit on Hussein's head, releasing the video can only make any potential lawsuit AND Hussein go away. IF it is as the manager characterises.

Hussein called 911 in a State where he almost certainly knows, being Not White is considered a crime all in it's own right by far, far too many of Louisiana's "finest".

Although the articles doesn't state: I strongly suspect the officer who attended, told the Husseins what they would have to do, and how long it would take if they wanted to formally press charges. "Just take it on the chin and move on."

Normally I am one to ask for both sides to a story before making a decision, or at the least play a sometimes very unpopular devil's advocate, but when one party says: "I don't have to tell you my side, but he's wrong." I'll take that with a very large grain of salt, and provisionally assume they're a lying sack of shit.

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Response to 840high (Reply #23)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 12:55 PM

81. Why do that when jumping to conclusions always works out fine...

like when that teabagger left the truck-bomb in times square or the poor lady in Louisiana who got lit on fire by the KKK.

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Response to olddad56 (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 12:05 AM

44. Because Lester Maddox did the same thing fifty years ago.

n/t.

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Response to olddad56 (Reply #11)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 03:04 PM

69. Because

you're bigoted against Southerners.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 05:48 PM

15. a subway??? corp subway must be crapping brick over this

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Response to dembotoz (Reply #15)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 06:24 PM

17. yep especially when look at the countries subway has locations in

http://www.subway.com/subwayroot/exploreourworld.aspx

Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia.......

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 06:43 PM

20. You read the article and it seems the whole thing could be much ado about nothing. . .

and as the Council on American-Islamic Relations is not pressing the issue, and has as yet to file any allegations of wrongdoing by the police, I suspect the alternate view, that Mohammad Husain made himself unwelcome by his actions, may prove to be the case here.

At this time, however, there's too many conflicting stories, and each too incomplete, to draw any conclusions. Not that that will prove a deterrent, however.

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Response to Journeyman (Reply #20)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 08:11 PM

27. Yes, they certainly are pressing teh issue

Meanwhile, the nationís largest Muslim civil rights organization, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, has demanded Subway apologize for the incident and asked the local police to investigate.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #27)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:19 PM

37. No, they're not. . .

Last week, the Council on American-Islamic Relations asked the Shreveport police to investigate whether its officers did anything wrong, including failing to help stop the discrimination. But on Monday, the police spokesman told TPM he didnít expect the agency to conduct an internal inquiry because no one has explicitly alleged the officers did something wrong.

Likewise, the civil rights group also asked Subway corporate headquarters to investigate and demanded an apology from the company. The company referred the investigation to Flemingís franchise and has so far offered no apology.

If CAIR felt Husain had standing, they'd have alleged by now that the officers did something wrong. And if Subway felt there were a valid need for an apology, I'm sure it would have been offered almost immediately.

I believe a full investigation will probably show Husain acted deplorably and tried to hide his own distasteful conduct behind a reprehensible allegation of discrimination.

All this said, I stand by my previous assertion that there just isn't enough known at this time to form an opinion, and that what is known is far too contradictory to draw any valid conclusions. But again, I'll repeat, this won't stop people on this board -- and elsewhere -- from making all sorts of judgments about something they neither know nor understand.

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Response to Journeyman (Reply #37)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:32 PM

38. Yes, they are

It says in every article they are requesting investigations. In addition, Subway did what all franchise corporate do: bounced it to the franchisee.

We also know if anything was on the tape, we would have seen it.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #38)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:40 PM

39. They request but they don't press. Tells me they have no faith in Husain . . .

Well, I grow bored with Husain's search for a guiltless sandwich, especially as he found one that afternoon a scant few blocks away, and in another branch of the very chain that supposedly treated him so foully.

You keep an eye on this and if anything more becomes known, be sure to let inform us all. For myself, I stand by my original suspicion.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 07:39 PM

22. Don't jump to conclusions people!

For all we know Husain is lying. Right now we just have contradicting stories.

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Response to Vattel (Reply #22)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:55 AM

52. Actually, the video is being withheld by the manager. Release the video!

Having someone report discrimination -- which everyone knows is widespread in Louisiana -- isn't "jumping to conclusions."

It is seeing that justice is done.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 08:12 PM

28. If the account is accurate, his wife was also held illegally

You can't lock people in and not let them out.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 08:13 PM

29. Headquaters in Milford Connecticut could revoke their license n/t

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 08:14 PM

31. Our tax dollars pay for Fleming's whiney teabagging ass!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 08:24 PM

32. Until more evidence, I'd withhold judgement.

It could be circumstances other then religious discrimination that caused the dispute.
The discrimination angle could have been cooked up to damage the place.

Or it could have been exactly as the article describes.

But you shouldn't believe everything you read right off the bat even if it sounds like it sticks it to a Republican.

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Response to Kablooie (Reply #32)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:53 AM

51. Actually, the manager is WITHHOLDING THE EVIDENCE. He won't release the video.

If what they're saying isn't true, RELEASE THE VIDEO.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 08:46 PM

33. Flem's office sez Husain is wrong -why would the couple make it up?????

I think all know what happened
the owners just do not want discrimination PR or lawsuit

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:12 PM

34. more

two more votes going to democrats in next election. Little by little, 'real' americans are going to prove to the haters, it just won't work. And yes, be careful on the immediate judgement of racism. I was burned a couple months ago with a woman claiming she was set on fire by racists. I was up in arms. Turned out she did it to herself. I ate crow.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:14 PM

35. He ate at a Subway down the street.

I guess he's loyal.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 11:08 PM

40. After reading the article, Husain sounds much more trustworthy

Even if the truth is somewhere in the middle, the reaction of everyone involved with the franchise is highly suspect. Inappropriate behavior that they can't name because of a potential future lawsuit (i.e. because they have to get their stories straight lest the employees contradict one another)? A tape unreleased due to obscured audio? I believe the Subway employees engaged in racial profiling and assumed he was up to no good. The claim that they explicitly told him that it was due to his religion may be an exaggeration but I'm inclined to believe discrimination was involved. I expect a quiet settlement.

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Response to Blasphemer (Reply #40)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 12:41 PM

78. The employee in question is an African-American female

For what that is worth.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 02:07 AM

46. My congressman is Muslim

And we've got more Halal markets than anything else around here. The nearest market to my North is Halal, while the convenience store two blocks south is owned by Muslims. He's welcome up here in Minneapolis anytime.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:42 AM

50. On reading the article the title of the post seems a bit misleading.

Maybe we should wait for a few more facts to come out about this story and not jump to conclusions.

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Response to yellowcanine (Reply #50)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 12:43 PM

80. Thank you for this

As more facts come out, hopefully more clarity will ensue.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 03:10 PM

54. Thid happened almost a month ago and isn't...

mentioned anywhere but on a TPM blog.

Could there be nothing to it?

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #54)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:44 PM

58. I would boycott any business that plays loud Christmas music in November

That's about all I take away from this story beyond a bit of "he said, she said"

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #58)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:30 AM

65. Apparently, playing the Christmas music loud on Thanksgiving Eve.

Yep, you noticed the "Christmas Music" playing loud in the background of the tape too.

And on Thanksgiving Eve for crying out loud! LOL. As Jon Stewart said this week, "Christmas is starting to consume other holidays. Halloween better watch out." Not his exact quote.

An Islamic man driving through Shreveport on the eve of Thanksgiving is accusing a local restaurant of discrimination based on his traditional Muslim attire.


I guess that means playing the Christmas music loud the day before Thanksgiving. That being said, being the stereotype, labeling person I am (yep, I'm admitting it) the store manager and probably the owner and workers are conservative-intolerant-bible-thumpers going overboard on the Christmas music.

But I find their discrimination interesting because this customer probably dressed similar to one of the Three Wise Men. Maybe it freaked them out.



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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #54)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 07:57 PM

61. And if you read the comments on the blog, you'll find that mention. /nt

 

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:49 PM

59. Do we have a Subway e-mail address to which we can write letters?

One can always write somethng to the effect that if this proves to be true and Subway does nothing, he or she will neer buy another sub.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:23 AM

64. Always go out to dine

 

at locally owned businesses. One of my favorites is Aladdin's here in Cedar Rapids IA. I am not of middle-eastern decent but much of the clientele is. They are always kind and welcoming to me and my party and the food is absolutely fantastic!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 02:13 PM

68. The video probably shows worse behavior than Husain conveys. Boycott racists, bigots & homophobes

Hit them in their pocketbooks. That seems to be all they understand.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 10:46 PM

70. Shreveport is very conservative.

I have some distant cousins that OWN the major businesses in Vivian, which is close to Shreveport. They are all Church of Christ attendees, send their kids to Baylor University or Texas Christian University. So conventional they are no fun at all.

Louisiana is kinda like a fiefdom. Serf Cities.

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Fri Dec 7, 2012, 02:23 AM

71. What da hell?

Dey is jus rag heads.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 11:09 AM

77. Yet another expert on race.

This manager is like Scott Brown. They can tell what you are just by looking.

What would Jesus look like in American casual attire?

Would he be turned away?

What is Jesus doing in a Subway anyway?

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