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Sun Dec 2, 2012, 01:34 PM

Israel withholds tax revenues from Palestinian Authority

Source: Los Angeles Times

JERUSALEM -- Israel said Sunday it would withhold more than $100 million in tax revenue this month from the cash-strapped Palestinian Authority, the latest reaction to last week's U.N. vote recognizing the Palestinian territories as a "nonmember observer state."

--snip--

U.S. officials voiced disappointment over the measures Israel has taken in response to the U.N. bid. The Obama administration had asked Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to avoid taking punitive steps that might weaken Abbas, whom it sees as a moderate Palestinian leader.

American and Israeli anti-settlement groups are particularly alarmed by the possible resuscitation of the proposed E1 settlement project, a controversial development on the outskirts of Jerusalem that would partly divide the West Bank and complicate efforts to create a contiguous Palestinian state.

--snip--

During a conference in Washington on Saturday, former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert called the government's settlement announcement "the worst slap in the face of a U.S. president."

Read more: http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-israel-palestinians-taxes-20121202,0,1179646.story



Much more at the link. Anything they can do to undermine moderate Palestinian leadership. Anything they can do to undermine President Obama. If it wasn't for years of this, I would be surprised.

PB

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Reply Israel withholds tax revenues from Palestinian Authority (Original post)
Poll_Blind Dec 2012 OP
SoapBox Dec 2012 #1
Comrade Grumpy Dec 2012 #2
underthematrix Dec 2012 #3
msongs Dec 2012 #4
Chemisse Dec 2012 #5
LoisB Dec 2012 #6
Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #9
rdking647 Dec 2012 #12
ForgoTheConsequence Dec 2012 #14
Ken Burch Dec 2012 #25
Scootaloo Dec 2012 #27
azurnoir Dec 2012 #7
go west young man Dec 2012 #8
sulphurdunn Dec 2012 #10
JDPriestly Dec 2012 #11
OneAngryDemocrat Dec 2012 #13
alfredo Dec 2012 #16
azurnoir Dec 2012 #17
go west young man Dec 2012 #21
JDPriestly Dec 2012 #22
Violet_Crumble Dec 2012 #23
Ken Burch Dec 2012 #26
go west young man Dec 2012 #28
Violet_Crumble Dec 2012 #24
freshwest Dec 2012 #15
azurnoir Dec 2012 #18
Purveyor Dec 2012 #19
geek tragedy Dec 2012 #20

Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 01:41 PM

1. I'm over the whole thing.

Over all of them.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 01:42 PM

2. Fucking thieves and bullies. And they want the world's sympathy.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 01:57 PM

3. So let me see if I've got this straight

The Israelis are building more illegal settlements and the Palestians are being punished by the Israelis because the UN voted to give them status - minimal status at that. Yeah I'm over this shitstorm too.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 02:14 PM

4. years of this = 2500 years of this according to their bible nt

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 02:27 PM

5. And they wonder why all their neighbors hate them.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 02:50 PM

6. The Zionists won't be happy until they have ALL the land and the Palestinians cease to exist.

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Response to LoisB (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 03:43 PM

9. Really, though, it's not necessarily all Zionists. Just that large group which...

...believe in Eretz Yisrael, bringing back the the biblical state of Israel.

One must recall that, at least at one time, Uganda was seriously considered as a site for Israel, for instance.

Maybe a moot point, really, but I thought it was worth tossing in.

PB

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Response to LoisB (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 04:11 PM

12. as opposed to the palestinians who wont recognize israels right to exist

and intentionally target innocent civilians.....

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Response to rdking647 (Reply #12)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 04:45 PM

14. This article is about the Palestinian Authority.

NOT Hamas. Try and keep up.

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Response to rdking647 (Reply #12)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 03:36 AM

25. The PA recognized Israel in 1994.

If you want to get rid of Hamas, the WORST way to do that is to back Israel's insistence on refusing to accept Palestine under Fatah rule.

There's no good reason for Israel to STILL be trying to discredit and remove Fatah. Doing that never brought anything positive to this situation...all it did was bring Hamas to prominence.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #25)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 03:52 AM

27. Lyin' for Zion, proposed new group for DU

Where all the anti-Palestinian posters can go to parrot their bullshit in a comfortable, temperature-controlled echo chamber. The rest of us could stop by, pay two quid for a peep into the neocon freakshow, right here on our very own DU. Everything from "The Palestinians don't recognize Israel!" right down to "There are no such people as the Palestinians," lined up and showcased for our morbid amusement.

Step right up, lay your bits down and enter in an orderly fashion; DemocraticUnderground, LLC is not responsible for hyperventilations, asphyziations, cracked ribs, or awkward gigglefarts caused by the audience's laughter at the absurdities and grotesqueries contained within!

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 03:32 PM

7. isn't this pretty much exactly what HRC asked Israel not to do?

Last edited Sun Dec 2, 2012, 05:08 PM - Edit history (1)

but still no surprise and more about the 3,000 new settler homes

http://972mag.com/resource-what-is-the-e1-area-and-why-is-it-so-important/61298/

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 03:40 PM

8. If they want to steal Palestinian land and water sources

and then make the Palestinians pay for it but then keep that money while taking more land then why are we giving money to these assholes? I for one would like to see our funding for their bullshit cut off. Give them a taste of their own medicine. They have been playing the woe is me card and getting away with it for too long. They keep on breaking the rules because they never had any desire to follow the rules. In my mind the Israeli leadership is just a bunch of religious fanatics who are hell bent on taking everything they can in that region. Nothing more.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 03:59 PM

10. Jews and Arabs

descendants of Abraham, kin under the skin actually, and the most dysfunctional ethnic family in the history of the human race. Just pitiful!

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 04:01 PM

11. And why is Israel keeping this money?

Israeli Finance Minister Yuval Steinitz said he would use the money to repay part of an outstanding Palestinian debt -- estimated to be about $180 million -- to Israelís electricity company for power supplied to parts of the West Bank.

The action was expected since Israel previously halted the transfer of monthly tax payments in response to a similar U.N. bid by the Palestinians last year. The money is collected on behalf of the Palestinian Authority from West Bank importers using Israeli ports.

. . .
The Israeli move did not dampen the celebrations Sunday in Ramallah, where thousands of people gave a hero's welcome to Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas upon his return from New York. . . .

"One day, a young Palestinian will raise the Palestinian flag over Jerusalem, the eternal capital of the state of Palestine," Abbas told the jubilant crowds, echoing a phrase the Israeli leaders often use to describe Jerusalem. "Palestine has succeeded in something historic at the United Nations. The recognition of Palestine as a country changes everything. It highlights new realities."

http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-israel-palestinians-taxes-20121202,0,1179646.story

There are always two sides . . . .

Maybe the Palestinians many friends in the UN will pay Palestine's electricity bills in the future.

Abbas's threat about Jerusalem does not sound peaceful to me. The parties need to negotiate territorial disputes as do all other neighbors.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 04:17 PM

13. BULLSHIT

There isn't "two sides" to this story.

Civilized people negotiate the conditions under which debts are paid.

The Palestinians ARE being punished - financially - by their oppressors; End of f*cking story.

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Response to OneAngryDemocrat (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 04:50 PM

16. collective punishment

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 05:07 PM

17. and the timing is what coincidence?

rrrrright no it's an excuse period

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 07:55 PM

21. Water is and has been a huge part of this dispute for a very long time.

With Palestinians constantly getting the short end of the water stick. So it's easy to see why Abbas may be upset. They are not just encroaching upon land they are taking the most valuable resource in the region and then using it as a bargaining tool and then when they don't get what they want they withhold the money from the people that once had the water in the first place. The Israeli's are acting like the Sheriff of Nottingham Forest. http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2011/07/20117278519784574.html

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Response to go west young man (Reply #21)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 11:53 PM

22. So why don't the Palestinians negotiate and show they

can deliver security and peace for Israel in exchange for access to water? I can't blame the Israelis. All these years, and the Palestinians still demand the few things tha Israel is not willing to give up.

If you want to settle a dispute, you think of what you can give that you can do without and what you need or want that the other party can do without. Somewhere between those needs and wants is peace and a settlement.

If you have negotiated fairly, neither side should be entirely happy with the outcome. That is how you settle disputes.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #22)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 02:16 AM

23. The one-sided Israel is always right stuff gets tiresome...

I know you've been told this many times before, but it takes two to negotiate, and it's impossible for a moderate like Abbas to negotiate with the RW extremists of Netanyahu's government. What they'd be negotiating for was how much they should pay Israel each year for the honour of having the rest of their territory taken from them while Israeli settlers in places like Hebron attack Palestinian civilians...

What needs to happen is people need to stop pretending that Israel's some innocent party in this whole thing and stop pretending that the occupation doesn't exist and doesn't have a massive impact on things.

The only thing yr correct in yr post about is that if the negotiations are fair, neither side will be entirely happy with the outcome. However, I suspect for you that'd be something like Israel isn't entirely happy because it has to give up a few outposts while retaining the Jordan Valley and most of the West Bank, and the Palestinians not being happy at all because they don't end up with anything...

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #22)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 03:40 AM

26. Israeli leaders only want "negotiations" now so they can make Palestine give up everything.

Give up getting the Arab part of Jerusalem. Give up getting rid of the illegal settlements(and on ever stopping settlement expansion). Give up any right for Palestine to defend itself against the settlers and the IDF. Give up getting even symbolic RoR for the elders of '48(plus, we can assume, giving up any meaningful compensation or any admission that injustices were done for their descendants). Give up even having control of its own freaking airspace. And getting nothing that could ever make up for giving all that up in return.

If Palestine gives all that up, it wouldn't even be a state. It wouldn't be anything at all. And any Palestinian leadership that accepted those terms would instantly be overthrown by extremists, thus making any such agreement meaningless.

Why demand that the Palestinian leaders commit political(and possibly physical)suicide in the name of proving their "acting in good faith"?

Just admit that Netanyahu and his government don't want peace and don't want a Palestinian state already. And just admit that the Israeli preconditions would make a just settlement impossible through negotiations. There can't be a real peace if the Israeli side insists on being able to say "we WON and they lost"(just as their can't be a real peace if the Palestinians insist on the same thing, which, at least in Fatah's case, they aren't).

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #22)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 06:16 AM

28. JD, you would have a point except for the fact that since 1967 and through numerous

"peace" negotiations the one constant is Israeli expansion. It's continual and always increasing even during peace time. It's constantly used to punish. Adversely attacks from Gaza and Palestine have significantly decreased since the 1990's. Even though attacks have decreased the Israeli leadership destroys the (moderate, compared to the 90's) leadership of the opposition. Israel is performing "collective" punishment during all these short wars. It's unjust. The emperor has no clothes. Israel who should have taken the high moral ground as they had the big guns is instead acting like a petulant child. The scenario is very similar to the US under Bush jr.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 02:21 AM

24. And why would you take the word of a RW extremist for granted?

Just curious, but did you bother doing any fact checking to see if that was true, or did you just swallow it because it's someone from the Israeli govt saying it?

Israel has withheld revenue that belongs to the PA before, and just as it's been wrong of Israel to do it then, I doubt this time there's any legitimate reason. The reason that's staring everyone right in the face is the one you should be looking at, and that's because Israel is now doing what it threatened to do if the General Assembly recognised Palestine as a non-member observer state, and that's punishing the Palestinians financially. It must get hard even for the most blinded supporters of Netanyahu's govt to try to spin things differently when it was spelt out beforehand what would happen if that vote went Palestine's way. So much for the guff about Israel and the US supporting the creation of a Palestinian state...

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 04:49 PM

15. Puzzled by some things at the link:

My questions will sound dumb. But I'm trying to figure itout. I don't buy the good vs. evil picture of either side, an unpopular view.

Israeli Finance Minister Yuval Steinitz said he would use the money to repay part of an outstanding Palestinian debt -- estimated to be about $180 million -- to Israelís electricity company for power supplied to parts of the West Bank.

The Israelis supplied $180 million in electricity? How long did they carry this debt? When was this balance scheduled to be paid to the electricity company?

The action was expected since Israel previously halted the transfer of monthly tax payments in response to a similar U.N. bid by the Palestinians last year. The money is collected on behalf of the Palestinian Authority from West Bank importers using Israeli ports.

Is this all from a port tax paid to the Israeli goverment? That seems apples and oranges.

Are they saying they believe the PA will refuse to pay the light bill, so they are garnishing the money now?

I don't claim to know how they could sit on a debt of $180 million, either. I'm trying to follow the money to see the intent and determine is this a big deal or not. The only good thing would be that the lights won't be cut off. But it could affect social services.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 05:17 PM

18. more on this from September

Israel takes cut of Palestinian tax revenues

aeli authorities have seized millions of shekels in tax revenue for the Palestinians to compensate for an Israeli company's unpaid electricity bills, officials said Wednesday.

Finance Ministry officials say Israel kept 35 million shekels ($9 million) of the 260 million shekels ($66 million) in customs taxes it collected on behalf of the Palestinian Authority in September. The Israeli Ministry of Finance confirmed the deduction.

The reduced transfer of 225 million shekels ($57 million) would still be an advance of about half the revenues Israel collects monthly on behalf of the Palestinians. It is a welcome gesture to the embattled Palestinian government as it faces sustained protests against its policies.

But the reduction also underscores Palestinian complaints that their economy is too tightly intertwined with Israel. Protesters on Tuesday burned copies of the Oslo-era Paris Protocol, which gives Israel the final say on Palestinian tax rates and external trade.

http://www.maannews.net/eng//ViewDetails.aspx?ID=519594

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 05:25 PM

19. israel is just poking, poking, poking until the 'pop-rockets' start flying their way so they can

continue the killing of Palestinians.

SOP.

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Response to Poll_Blind (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 05:28 PM

20. Israel wants conquest and dominion more than it wants peace.

They do not share our values. Just another middle eastern theocracy dedicated to squashing infidels.

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