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Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:46 AM

Gun Enthusiast kills 17 year old for playing loud music; Lawyer says he acted responsibly

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Source: Alternet

According to Schoonover, after his arrest, Dunn told Jacksonville detectives, “he felt threatened and that is the reason he took action.”

Dunn is being held without bail, and will be transported to a jail in Jacksonville to face charges of murder and attempted murder this week. On Monday, he pleaded not guilty in Brevard County court.

His attorney, Robin Lemonidis, said:

It will be very clear that Mr. Dunn acted very responsibly and as any responsible firearms owner would have acted under these circumstances.


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Thank god this man had a gun so he could defend his eardrums against this vicious assault.

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Reply Gun Enthusiast kills 17 year old for playing loud music; Lawyer says he acted responsibly (Original post)
kurtzapril4 Nov 2012 OP
Ash_F Nov 2012 #1
obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #16
TheCowsCameHome Nov 2012 #2
Hoyt Nov 2012 #3
Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #5
onehandle Nov 2012 #8
hack89 Nov 2012 #10
1Independent Nov 2012 #4
happyslug Nov 2012 #6
onehandle Nov 2012 #7
niyad Nov 2012 #9
AlbertCat Nov 2012 #11
Grins Nov 2012 #12
samsingh Nov 2012 #13
slackmaster Nov 2012 #14
eringer Nov 2012 #15
wordpix Nov 2012 #17
ROBROX Nov 2012 #18
muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #19

Response to kurtzapril4 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:51 AM

1. Acted responsibly by fleeing the scene of the crime and not telling anyone about it?

What does it take to get a lawyer disbarred?

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Response to Ash_F (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:28 AM

16. Why should his attorney be disbarred -- he is doing his job

He is representing his client exactly as he should. What he is doing is not only completely ethical, but if he DIDN'T do that, it would be unethical, and he should be disbarred.

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Response to kurtzapril4 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:53 AM

2. Send this over to the gungeon for their expert analysis.

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 09:00 AM

3. +1 LMAO

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 09:36 AM

5. It doesn't really take an expert from the facts as given.

 

Unless other evidence comes out that indicates that the shooter had some reason to fear for his safety, it appears that this was not a legitimate self-defense shooting, and right now neither the police nor the prosecutor agree that it is.

"Jacksonville Attorney Gene Nichols, however, said that although Dunn will most likely make a “Stand Your Ground” defense based on his statements in court, it’s a tough case to make.

He said:

Mr. Dunn is going to have to answer the question, 'Why did you not call the sheriff's office? If you are reasonably protecting yourself, why did you leave the scene, get in the car, and the next day, flee the jurisdiction of Duval County?' … There's no indication that Jordan or anyone else in that car had a gun, there's no indication that they were any threat to Mr. Dunn. "


Unlike what many would have you believe, claiming "self-defense" or "stand your ground" is not a "get out of jail free" card giving you carte blanche to shoot anyone you like.

The fact that Mr. Dunn fled the scene and did not contact the police is pretty damning.

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 10:04 AM

8. Are they still there?

So many long time trolls/gungeoneers have been toasted lately, I would expect the room to be vacant.

Oh wait... Sockpuppets.

Never mind.

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 10:20 AM

10. Simple - it was murder. nt

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Response to kurtzapril4 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 09:35 AM

4. Uh huh

 

Remember, Guns don't kill people. Republicans kill people.

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Response to kurtzapril4 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 09:50 AM

6. Incident posted yesterday, 11-27-2012

Previous posts:

11-27-2012 7:20 pm (with reference from the Florida Times Union), This post is still active:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014318416

11-27-2012 at 11:01 pm

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021891263#post113

The above post was posted in the General Discussion category, but was locked as being in the wrong category by the Moderators.

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Response to kurtzapril4 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 10:02 AM

7. Clearly an appropriate 'stand your ground' action.

He will be on the same gun enthusiast pedestal as George Zimmerman.

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Response to kurtzapril4 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 10:17 AM

9. wow--I guess I have been really lucky. usually, when music is too loud for me, I ask the people

if they could please turn it down, as I am getting a headache. I have never had a problem with that.

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Response to kurtzapril4 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 10:23 AM

11. Obviously the music was too loud...

...and too black....

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Response to kurtzapril4 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 10:24 AM

12. "Gun Enthusiast"?

I have never understood that term, esp. when you carry.

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Response to kurtzapril4 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 10:28 AM

13. i hope he rots in prison and gets justice owed to him

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Response to kurtzapril4 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 10:33 AM

14. Lawyers say some pretty outrageous things

 

Given that Dunn is being held without bail, it seems the judge didn't buy it.

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Response to kurtzapril4 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:03 AM

15. Florida has the death penalty which seems appropriate to use in this situation

Maybe the NRA should be funding the cost of these trials and executions -- at least the ones where a firearm is used.

A newspaper's investigation into the costs of the death penalty in Florida revealed the state is spending as much as $1 million per inmate just for incarceration and appellate costs. Trial costs would add substantially to the state's total. Florida has over 400 inmates on death row. For example, keeping J.B. Parker under the special security of death row for 29 years has cost taxpayers $688,000; his appeals cost $296,000, for a total of $984,000. The total for Alfonso Cave has been $1,059,750. Both men remain on death row. Those figures do not include salaries for judges, prosecutors and clerks handling the cases. Shortening the appeals carries the risk of mistake. Neal Dupree, head of one of the appellate offices for death row inmates noted, "People need to know that just because someone has been convicted does not mean they are guilty," he said. Larry Spalding, who had been head of one of the appellate offices, added: "The most important thing we know about false convictions is that they happen and on a regular basis." Spalding said. "(Appellate) attorneys ... are trying to exonerate the innocent, and to prevent a wrongful execution. They should be admired, not excoriated." Florida has had more exonerations from death row (23) than any other state in the country

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Response to kurtzapril4 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:37 AM

17. this is AWFUL - I hope this gun enthusiast looking for trouble gets it

He is a murderer, period.

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Response to kurtzapril4 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:55 AM

18. MURDER IS KILLING A PERSON

 

This Florida person will have justice and then spend their life in prison before the light is extinguished.

It seems this person's cognizant process has evolved to take on a NEW meaning to "defend one self" in Florida. Shooting a person for an "opinion" versus "self defense" by people who can not understand simple thought processes is in trouble.

There should be a process to make sure people who have fire arms have the mental fitness to properly own and utilize the weapons versus the credit card to buy a fire arm. The same process for driving a vehicle should be utilized to insure those who are unfit to "bare arms" are not given the means to shoot people when their thinking process is no operating.

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Response to kurtzapril4 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:56 AM

19. Locking - duplicate thread

of http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014318416 . Please continue discussion there. Thanks.

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