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Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:37 AM

U.S. Begins Talks On Long-Term Troop Presence In Afghanistan Beyond 2014

Source: Guardian UK

Afghanistan and the US have opened talks to keep American troops in the country after most Nato forces go home in 2014, but the thorny question of immunity for American soldiers, which in effect ended the US role in Iraq last year, is likely to prove a stumbling block.

The issue has been thrown into sharp relief by the Seattle trial of the US army staff sergeant Robert Bales, who is accused of the massacring 16 Afghan civilians, mostly women and children, during a shooting spree at their homes in March. US prosecutors are seeking the death penalty but many Afghans, including some of the victims’ relatives, want to see him brought before one of their own courts.

“Immunity is going to be challenging,” said one western official as talks on the bilateral security agreement started late last week. The issue has been set aside in early negotiations, US and Afghan officials said, because the intensity of the clash between Washington’s desire to protect its soldiers and the Afghan government’s desire to control trial and punishment of any future offenders.

“To be frank, I do not see a way around this. Neither side looks as if they would budge,” said Thomas Ruttig, director of the Afghanistan Analysts Network. “Particularly for the US, this (waiving immunity) would be unprecedented. The Afghan government might use it to get other concessions out of the US, but I am not sure what they are aiming at.”

Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/19/u-s-begins-talks-on-long-term-troop-presence-in-afghanistan-beyond-2014/

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Reply U.S. Begins Talks On Long-Term Troop Presence In Afghanistan Beyond 2014 (Original post)
Purveyor Nov 2012 OP
Jeneral2885 Nov 2012 #1
SaveAmerica Nov 2012 #6
slackmaster Nov 2012 #2
SaveAmerica Nov 2012 #3
One_Life_To_Give Nov 2012 #4
AldoLeopold Nov 2012 #7
One_Life_To_Give Nov 2012 #13
slackmaster Nov 2012 #8
AldoLeopold Nov 2012 #12
dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #14
SaveAmerica Nov 2012 #5
John2 Nov 2012 #9
ancianita Nov 2012 #10
Gregorian Nov 2012 #11
hughee99 Nov 2012 #15

Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:48 AM

1. So much for change

:((((((

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Response to Jeneral2885 (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:59 AM

6. I take that first paragraph as an out to get them home earlier.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:51 AM

2. They Billy Jacked us again

 

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:56 AM

3. Uh, no. They need to stop this mess now. Hope this has

the same ending Iraq had and calls for immunity for troops are fought by Afghanistan and the process to get everyone home starts very soon after. 2013 and no longer.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:57 AM

4. This should end well




Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

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Response to One_Life_To_Give (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:22 AM

7. Is that a pic of the Soviet invasion?

I said in 2001 that this was a bad idea and my co-workers looked at me like I had 3 heads. Perhaps I should have taken them on a Bill and Ted's Excellent adventure to the Macedonian, Mongolian, British and Soviet invasions and had them sit down with an average soldier of each army and ask them "so, these Afghans - pushovers, right?"

Wild Stallions!

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Response to AldoLeopold (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 12:57 PM

13. Pic is last Soviet troops coming home

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Response to One_Life_To_Give (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:38 AM

8. Those who cannot quote George Santayana precisely are doomed to paraphrase him

 

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 12:25 PM

12. Haven't you heard

"History is more or less bunk. It's tradition. We don't want tradition. We want to live in the present, and the only history that is worth a tinker's damn is the history that we make today." (Chicago Tribune, 1916).

oh, and this brilliant piece of early American corporatist power of positive thinking clap-trap:

"If you think you can, you can. And if you think you can't, you're right."

So, apparently, we thought we could in Afghanistan. So, if we thought we could, but we can't and haven't...gosh, Ford was so wise. What a wise man. He mass produces cars and he thinks he knows everything about everything else.

Good old Ford. That can-do, bully bully, right-o, sally-forth American attitude. Makes me wanna puke in my Cheerios.

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Response to AldoLeopold (Reply #12)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 01:24 PM

14. I like the way you think.



"the only history that is worth a tinker's damn is the history that we make today."

which becomes totally irrelevant 5 minutes after he says it, since history is not worth a damn.

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Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:43 AM

9. He

 

needs to pull out of Afghanistan.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:52 AM

10. We should only be there for two reasons -- Pakistan and India.

There's no way we can leave with nuclear capability in the hands of next door's great Satan haters. And there's probably a need to stand on call in support of India.

Otherwise, if corporate contracted metal extractors want to plunder that country, those companies need to pay for their own security forces.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 12:23 PM

11. War is big business. We've got to turn this around. Do something productive with our tax dollars.

Our biggest fraction of the economy is criminal. What a shameful counterproductive, fear driven mess.

And then there's the carbon footprint! DAMNIT!! Is anyone even out there? HELLO.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 03:07 PM

15. I think the Guardian must be mistaken

VP Biden said we were going to be totally out of there by 2014. Come "hell or high water" if I recall correctly. He said it during the debate as well.

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