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Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:02 PM

 

Israel launches Gaza offensive, kills Hamas commander

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Source: Reuters

GAZA (Reuters) - Israel launched a major offensive against Palestinian militants in Gaza on Wednesday, killing the military commander of Hamas in an air strike and threatening an invasion of the enclave that the Islamist group vowed would "open the gates of hell".

The onslaught shattered hopes that a truce mediated on Tuesday by Egypt could pull the two sides back from the brink of war after five days of escalating Palestinian rocket attacks and Israeli strikes at militant targets.

Operation "Pillar of Defence" began with a surgical strike on a car carrying the commander of the military wing of Hamas, the Iranian-armed Islamist movement which controls Gaza and dominates a score of smaller armed groups.

Within minutes of the death of Ahmed Al-Jaabari, big explosions were rocking Gaza, as the Israeli air force struck at selected targets just before sundown, blasting plumes of smoke and debris high above the crowded city.

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- More at link.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/top-hamas-commander-killed-israeli-airstrike-143218204.html



The shit has hit the fan.

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Response to HopeHoops (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:04 PM

1. *sigh*

 

Thank goodness my parents got out of Israel on Monday.

They are back in town.. but I worry for my sister and her family...

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Response to Panasonic (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:08 PM

2. I'm worried about Egypt and Iran getting in on the action.

 

Either openly doing anything aggressive would almost certainly suck the US into the mess. Taking out Jaabari puts us in a curious situation since we basically did the same thing with bin Laden. The story only broke a little over an hour ago so everything is "developing".

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Response to HopeHoops (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:09 PM

3. We'll see what the reaction

 

from the Hamas will be like.. it won't be pretty - that's for sure.

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Response to Panasonic (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:15 PM

4. It wasn't pretty to begin with. One of the articles said they'd fired 115...

 

... missiles at Israel in just the last week. Seems Israel got a wee bit pissed about that. Egypt recalling its ambassador isn't a good sign and Israel is already trying to tie Iran into the weapons smuggling (true or false, it's not good).

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Response to HopeHoops (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:28 PM

7. oh blaming Iran for weapons in Gaza has gone out of style these days

in fact it was quite big until Mubarak fell and then it seems it dried up quickly as an on going meme better closer folks to blame

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Response to Panasonic (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:44 PM

13. If this follows the same script as last time, Hamas will have little to respond with

Saw a report of a Hamas rocket hitting a shopping center in Israel, but no location. If they starting shooting long range ones at Tel Aviv, expect a shock and awe dance to make the attacks on Baghdad look tame.

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Response to HopeHoops (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:25 PM

6. Egypt has recalled its envoy from Israel

Egypt recalls envoy to Israel after Gaza strike

Egypt has recalled its ambassador to Israel after an Israeli airstrike killed the military commander of Gaza’s ruling Hamas.

In a statement read on state TV late Wednesday, spokesman Yasser Ali said that President Mohammed Morsi recalled the ambassador and asked the Arab League’s Secretary General to convene an emergency ministerial meeting in the wake of the Gaza violence.

Morsi also called for an immediate cease fire between Israel and Hamas, an offshoot of Morsi’s Muslim Brotherhood. Israel says it struck in response to rocket attacks from Gaza.

Hours earlier, Morsi’s Muslim Brotherhood group denounced the Israeli airstrike as a ‘‘crime that requires a quick Arab and international response to stem these massacres.’’

http://www.boston.com/news/world/middle-east/2012/11/14/egypt-president-recalls-ambassador-israel-after-gaza-strike-kills-hamas-commander/MNdNZdADBMTwxPzcNc2Y2L/story.html

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:29 PM

10. I'm pretty sure I saw something about them asking the UN for an emergency meeting too.

 

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Response to HopeHoops (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:21 PM

5. Once again the IDF is striking at Hamas leadership and material

No indications of ground action yet.

One again it shows that Hamas does not have effective security. The IDF was once again able to take out Hamas leadership and the flagship weapons without notice.

Where have we seen this before?

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:28 PM

8. Yeah, not yet, but they're threatening to send in boots.

 

Israel has somewhere around 170K troops on active status and another 400K reserves. It would be messy, but we know who would prevail. If other countries avoid getting involved, hopefully this will be over quickly.



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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:29 PM

9. what you really mean is that Hamas has no where near the weapons technology that Israel has

which is a bit more like it

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:32 PM

11. Yeah, that part is definitely true.

 

I saw (in one of the articles) that the IDF had knocked out 13 of the Hamas missiles with their version of the Patriot. Hamas is stuck with some pretty lame hardware compared to what Israel has at its disposal (and I'm not even talking nukes here).

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Response to HopeHoops (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:46 PM

14. They have both Patriot and Iron Dome

Safe to assume that there are UAVs covering Gaza and and missile launch sites are get hit hard.

It will be interesting to see if they use cluster munitions against the launch sites. Tactically it is the best answer, politically not so much.

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:41 PM

12. Actually it is superior intelligence that is doing it for the IDF

Last couple of times the IDF has rolled up an enemy, it was clear that the IDF knew things that they should not have known...location of important material, schedules of key personnel, and maps/layout of defenses.

Yes the IDF has technically superior weapons, but its knowing where to point them that is priceless.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #12)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:56 PM

15. ah yeah drones have nothing to do with it I'm sure n/t

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Response to HopeHoops (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:58 PM

16. Locking - duplicate thread

of http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014304480 . Please continue discussion there. Thanks.

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