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Fri Oct 26, 2012, 12:38 AM

Leave 'no trace of him behind, down to the hair': North Korean official 'executed with mortar round'

Source: The Independent (UK)

...after drinking during mourning period for Dear Leader, Kim Jong-il

By ROB WILLIAMS

Thursday October 25 2012

A North Korean army minister has reportedly been executed after drinking during the mourning period for Kim Jong-il.

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The execution of the army minister is seen as part of a purge of members of the North Korean military who might threaten the fledgling regime of Kim Jong-un.

It is thought that up to 14 senior officials could have been killed since the new regime took over, according to intelligence data provided to Yoon Sang-hyun, a member of the South Korean Foreign Affairs, Trade and Unification Committee.

Those that are also thought to have fallen from favour include Ri Yong-ho, the head of the army and Ri Kwang-gon, the governor of the North Korean central bank.

Read more: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/leave-no-trace-of-him-behind-down-to-the-hair-north-korean-official-executed-with-mortar-round-after-drinking-during-mourning-period-for-dear-leader-kim-jongil-8226398.html

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Reply Leave 'no trace of him behind, down to the hair': North Korean official 'executed with mortar round' (Original post)
Turborama Oct 2012 OP
hifiguy Oct 2012 #1
davidpdx Oct 2012 #7
marble falls Oct 2012 #17
davidpdx Oct 2012 #24
marble falls Oct 2012 #26
Shuhered Oct 2012 #2
fingrinn Oct 2012 #3
FrodosPet Oct 2012 #15
fingrinn Oct 2012 #4
billh58 Oct 2012 #12
antigone382 Oct 2012 #16
Rhiannon12866 Oct 2012 #28
jmowreader Oct 2012 #5
Ian David Oct 2012 #6
Renew Deal Oct 2012 #8
Dr. Strange Oct 2012 #10
MicaelS Oct 2012 #11
jmowreader Oct 2012 #20
AtheistCrusader Oct 2012 #14
Union Scribe Oct 2012 #30
Ash_F Oct 2012 #9
xtraxritical Oct 2012 #13
Ash_F Oct 2012 #21
xtraxritical Oct 2012 #40
Octafish Nov 2012 #43
daleo Oct 2012 #25
fil62793skx Oct 2012 #29
daleo Oct 2012 #41
Uncle Joe Oct 2012 #18
jonthebru Oct 2012 #19
grantcart Oct 2012 #22
Marrah_G Oct 2012 #36
jmowreader Oct 2012 #23
ronnie624 Oct 2012 #27
Ash_F Oct 2012 #34
Union Scribe Oct 2012 #31
Ash_F Oct 2012 #33
bemildred Oct 2012 #32
Marrah_G Oct 2012 #37
bemildred Oct 2012 #39
Ash_F Oct 2012 #35
Katashi_itto Oct 2012 #38
BlueMan Votes Oct 2012 #42
Octafish Nov 2012 #44

Response to Turborama (Original post)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 12:53 AM

1. This would be porn for Dickkk Cheney.

Sick, sick, sick.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 07:47 AM

7. I was thinking it's too bad it wasn't Dick Cheney

Penance for his evilness.

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #7)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 03:25 PM

17. I know you're just "saying" not really suggesting it, even though we all allow we may have...

inadvertently smiled when that slipped off your keyboard. Maybe just a bit of shotgun to the right side of the face. Just saying.

You know he got shot in the face himself about eight years earlier by a friend up in Wyoming and the word was that Dickless Cheney got totally bent out of shape over it. The guy from Austin he shot apologized for Dickless shooting him.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #17)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 09:46 PM

24. True, I'd rather see him in a work camp

Maybe he'd lose a little weight.

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #24)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 01:24 AM

26. Cheney on a chain gang in orange or back and whites ..... I'd pay to see it.

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Response to Turborama (Original post)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 03:38 AM

2. What A Sick, Destroyed Country

What a petulant little weirdo this kid is. He grew in such an odd way with the strange methods of a paranoid parent/ government always present. But he is responsible for his actions and will no doubt reside under Saddam Hussein's bunk in Hell for these crimes against humanity.

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Response to Shuhered (Reply #2)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 05:13 AM

3. Invade, invade,invade!!!!!

 

Dontcha love these stories with words like "thought" and "reportdly" I would prefer to wait for proof.

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Response to fingrinn (Reply #3)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 11:35 AM

15. North Korea is a model of transparency

If something like that happened, the independent media of the People's Republic of Korea would be all over it. Silence from them, so it never happened!

Unlike the American MSM, beholden to the corporatist oligarchy, the North Korean press is willing to tell the truth about what is happening in their nation. And the truth is that they have been blessed by strong, wise, humane leaders who have, and continue to, lift their country to heights of prosperity under the Juche Ideal.

(I want to joke even more, but the conditions those poor crushed people are living under thanks to the sadistic, greedy egos of the "Great" Leader, the "Dear" leader, and the "WhateverTheHellTheyAreCallingThatPOSinCharge" Leader is pretty damn depressing)

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Response to Shuhered (Reply #2)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 05:14 AM

4. Are you refering to

 

Saddams crimes before of After he was supported by America?

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Response to fingrinn (Reply #4)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 10:17 AM

12. Lost, are we? n/t

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Response to billh58 (Reply #12)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 11:42 AM

16. That doesn't singify being lost.

It signifies awareness that we supported Saddam under the Reagan administration, right down to Donald Rumsfeld shaking his hand, before deciding it was to our strategic advantage to take issue with some of his autocratic policies.

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Response to antigone382 (Reply #16)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 02:07 AM

28. Good point.

During the Iran-Iraq war in the '80s, Saddam was our ally. There was no way that Iraq could have held its own against an enemy three times its size without support from the US. Reminds me of one of my favorite classic Mark Fiore videos:

http://www.markfiore.com/animation/whoops.html

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Response to Turborama (Original post)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 06:36 AM

5. I wonder which is really.more barbaric

Blowing someone to bits with a mortar, causing instant death...

Or strapping someone to a table and giving them just enough anesthetic they wake up to find they're completely paralyzed and can't breathe, then they get hit with another chemical that causes searing pain over their whole body until their heart stops.and their brain shuts down.

The US has no right to judge the barbarism of an execution when we use the worst one that's ever been invented.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #5)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 07:28 AM

6. It would be more humane to strap explosives to their head. n/t

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #5)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 08:41 AM

8. Either you're exaggerating or you know little about human history

Lethal injection isn't even close to the "worst one" ever used. Just ask Joan of Arc.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #5)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 09:39 AM

10. The worst?

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #5)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 10:04 AM

11. The worst? Then let's go back to the firing squad.

In a public place that is designated for executions, so the public can witness them, and at high noon.

None of this hidden shit at midnight.

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Response to MicaelS (Reply #11)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 04:21 PM

20. Or for high drama, public guillotinings

About 30-40 years ago, capital punishment was at a crossroads: adopt the "more humane" method of lethal.injection or abolish it altogether. France couldn't decide, so one of the abolitionists proposed retaining the guillotine but adding to the jury instructions a description of the procedure.

After 15 years of juries not being able to bring themselves to send men to be chopped in two, the punishment was quietly swept into the pages of history.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #5)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 10:58 AM

14. How about having your head bound with wood, tied upside down to a stake and burned alive?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_Bruno

I'm thinking that one sucks. Not on my list of ways to go.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #5)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 02:26 AM

30. Dunno which conveys less knowledge of history

your post or your sig.

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Response to Turborama (Original post)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 09:23 AM

9. US executes political dissidents in this manner with regularity.

It's barbaric no matter who does it.

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Response to Ash_F (Reply #9)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 10:24 AM

13. Are you kidding? Is this sarcasm? How about some credible links?

 

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #13)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 04:27 PM

21. I invite you to study the history of the Iraq war

Libya and the current situation in Pakistan.

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Response to Ash_F (Reply #21)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 02:24 PM

40. I trust President Obama's finger on the trigger and I'm glad he's got my six.

 

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Response to Ash_F (Reply #9)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 10:40 PM

25. North Korea only executed one man with the mortar

Predator drones routinely take out many at a time, including innocent bystanders. I have read that the double tap is often used too. Check out journalist Gwynne Dyer for details.

The North Korean guy probably got atrial, too, though probably not a fair trial.

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Response to daleo (Reply #25)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 02:13 AM

29. uh-huh..

 

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Response to fil62793skx (Reply #29)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 11:06 PM

41. So you agree with me, then

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Response to Turborama (Original post)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 03:32 PM

18. That nation will need some serious counseling after they get out from under their jackbooted,

ass wipe, dictator.

Thanks for the thread. Turborama.

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Response to Turborama (Original post)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 04:14 PM

19. It amazes me that there aren't more of these people coming across.

I guess that shows the power of Institutional brainwashing.
The psychological paranoia must be really bad. I have always noted that the best job in North Korea for an average Joe would be the military, this kind of changes this observation.
Executed with a mortar round indeed.
I have always believed that North Korea is a much bigger threat than Iran...

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Response to jonthebru (Reply #19)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 04:28 PM

22. More coming across? How would they make it?

There is no viable direct route from North to South.

The only way out it is to escape to China and then get smuggled out from China to S Korea.

It is a torturous difficult journey but about 20,000 have made it.

If you are not successful you will not only find yourself in a dark NK prison but may also condemn your family to join you.



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/23/world/asia/seoul-urges-china-to-not-return-north-korean-refugees.html



More than 20,000 North Koreans have defected to South Korea since a famine hit their homeland in the mid-1990s. Almost all of them traveled through China, with the help of Christian missionaries, human rights activists or smugglers. But Beijing considers them illegal migrants, and the Chinese police often round them up for repatriation.

Those who are sent back are treated as “traitors” and are incarcerated in re-education camps, where corporal punishment, forced labor and other human rights abuses remain rampant, according to North Koreans who have survived the camps and defected to South Korea.

Mindful of Beijing’s close ties with the North Korean government, South Korea has seldom confronted China over the issue of refugees. But in recent days, it has expressed frustration after low-key bilateral talks with Beijing failed to free the North Koreans


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Response to grantcart (Reply #22)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 05:40 AM

36. Pretty sure i read somewhere that the families of escapees are sent to death camps

I feel so badly for the people trapped there.

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Response to jonthebru (Reply #19)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 04:30 PM

23. North Korea has a conscript military

Everyone goes in at 18, stays two years and is discharged. They have sergeants major and field-grade officers (majors, colonels and generals) who have careers in the military, but they're a minority.

The job to have in that country would be bureaucrat.

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Response to Turborama (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 01:48 AM

27. I'm skeptical. n/t

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Response to ronnie624 (Reply #27)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 03:09 AM

34. This is as close to the original story I can find

The Independent cribbed it from the Telegraph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/9630509/North-Korean-army-minister-executed-with-mortar-round.html

It cites "South Korean media" but does not specify which agency. Whatever happened to journalism school?

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Response to Turborama (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 02:29 AM

31. Certainly didn't take long for this thread

to become a study in "the US is as bad, if not worse." Sometimes posts here really do read like stereotypes.

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Response to Union Scribe (Reply #31)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 03:00 AM

33. It's hard to be critical of your own country, easier to be so towards another

It's ok to draw parallels when these stories pop up, if they are deserved, in the name of objectivity and self improvement.

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Response to Turborama (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 02:52 AM

32. If this is true, I suspect this little weasel is not going to last as long as his dad.

But it seems a bit contrived, so I don't know.

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Response to bemildred (Reply #32)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 05:41 AM

37. The people there are to afraid and paranoid of each other to do anything

If they step out of line even a little it is my understanding that their families are sent to starve to death in prisons.

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Response to Marrah_G (Reply #37)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 10:02 AM

39. Yes, I understand. That won't save him when the time comes.

Have you heard of the 3rd generation rule? He's #3, and he shows all the signs.

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2010/04/will-the-three-generation-rule-topple-north-koreas-kims

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Response to Turborama (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 03:28 AM

35. So, in order to indulge myself, I checked the 3 largest SK news organizations

http://www.koreaherald.com/
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/index.asp
http://english.chosun.com/?gnb_bar

...and could not find any mention of this story. The OP's article cites another article which, in turn, ambiguously cites 'South Korean media'. What media? What is the the primary source? A news article should always have a primary source. I call BS until anything further pops up.

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Response to Turborama (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 08:34 AM

38. Ahh to do that to Bankers and their families....round them up and BOOM...that would set an example

and traumatize the Plutocrats for generations. A modern version of the French Revolution.

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Response to Turborama (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 11:39 PM

42. How does being executed with a mortar round work?

 

do they launch it out of a tube at him, or just beat him over the head with it?

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Response to Turborama (Original post)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 01:30 PM

44. Perfect for Banksters.

...and other traitors.

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