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Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:50 PM

John Kerry: Darrell Issa's Release Of Raw Libya Cables 'Irresponsible And Inexcusable'

Source: huffington post

Senator John Kerry (D-Mass.) criticized House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R- Calif.) for releasing 166 pages of "sensitive but unclassified" State Department cables that contained the names of Libyans working within the United States.

"This is irresponsible and inexcusable, and perhaps worst of all it was entirely avoidable," Kerry said. "It is profoundly against America's interests in a difficult region."

The Obama administration has also criticized Issa for leaking the documents, which relate to the September attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi that killed Ambassador Christopher Stevens and four others.

Administration officials told Foreign Policy magazine the leak, along with Issa's failure to redact the names of Libyan civilians and local leaders mentioned in the cables, could have "unintended consequences."

"This does damage to the individuals because they are named, danger to security cooperation because these are militias and groups that we work with and that is now well known, and danger to the investigation, because these people could help us down the road," an administration official said.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/20/john-kerry-darrell-issa-_n_1992826.html

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Reply John Kerry: Darrell Issa's Release Of Raw Libya Cables 'Irresponsible And Inexcusable' (Original post)
trailmonkee Oct 2012 OP
wisteria Oct 2012 #1
YvonneCa Oct 2012 #30
George II Oct 2012 #64
YvonneCa Oct 2012 #72
xxqqqzme Oct 2012 #101
MADem Oct 2012 #102
InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2012 #39
xtraxritical Oct 2012 #95
Submariner Oct 2012 #2
DinahMoeHum Oct 2012 #5
YvonneCa Oct 2012 #34
George II Oct 2012 #67
YvonneCa Oct 2012 #31
savannah43 Oct 2012 #78
Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #3
The Wielding Truth Oct 2012 #69
Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #70
ColumbusLib Oct 2012 #4
Enrique Oct 2012 #6
msanthrope Oct 2012 #10
pnwmom Oct 2012 #20
itsrobert Oct 2012 #36
savannah43 Oct 2012 #79
jtuck004 Oct 2012 #7
pnwmom Oct 2012 #21
JDPriestly Oct 2012 #41
pnwmom Oct 2012 #50
JDPriestly Oct 2012 #92
savannah43 Oct 2012 #80
pnwmom Oct 2012 #86
joshcryer Oct 2012 #96
DinahMoeHum Oct 2012 #8
99th_Monkey Oct 2012 #9
struggle4progress Oct 2012 #11
bloomington-lib Oct 2012 #12
JDPriestly Oct 2012 #43
On the Road Oct 2012 #74
JDPriestly Oct 2012 #75
savannah43 Oct 2012 #82
snot Oct 2012 #100
SunSeeker Oct 2012 #13
heaven05 Oct 2012 #14
savannah43 Oct 2012 #85
DhhD Oct 2012 #15
SunSeeker Oct 2012 #16
George II Oct 2012 #65
Tx4obama Oct 2012 #17
heaven05 Oct 2012 #18
dmr Oct 2012 #19
HooptieWagon Oct 2012 #23
hrmjustin Oct 2012 #26
julian09 Oct 2012 #32
David Zephyr Oct 2012 #22
politicasista Oct 2012 #47
David Zephyr Oct 2012 #48
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politicasista Oct 2012 #71
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Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #24
Cha Oct 2012 #29
YvonneCa Oct 2012 #35
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Cha Oct 2012 #63
wordpix Oct 2012 #106
hrmjustin Oct 2012 #25
AzDar Oct 2012 #27
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JDPriestly Oct 2012 #51
savannah43 Oct 2012 #83
JDPriestly Oct 2012 #90
ProfessionalLeftist Oct 2012 #33
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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:54 PM

1. How awful, these Lybians could now be in grave danger.

And, all the Repubs care about it making a political gain for power. I hope they are called out big time for this. Issa is nothing but an ignorant shrill for the Republican party. Disgusting.

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Response to wisteria (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 06:38 PM

30. Issa is a JERK. His congressional district is...

...just south of where I live and he is KNOWN to have no scruples (unlike Senator Kerry, I might add). He made a run for governor several years ago and was exposed for what he is in California. The fact that he now is wielding any power at all in DC is pathetic.

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Response to YvonneCa (Reply #30)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 09:41 PM

64. What you didn't mention is that he was the one who financed the recall of Gray Davis......

....with the intention of running for governor to replace him, but he chickened out a couple of days before the filing deadline.

He is an A-one royal scumbag!

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Response to George II (Reply #64)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 12:27 AM

72. True. And then there's the whole...

...Enron fiasco which Davis was blamed for. BAD memories...

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Response to George II (Reply #64)

Mon Oct 22, 2012, 02:16 AM

101. The CA rethug party

told him he couldn't run. They had already set steroid boy up. They just made issa pay for all the recall. He got screwed by his own party. I remember when he announced he wouldn't run. He was nearly in tears. His voice cracking. What a tool. Still doing the bidding of his overlords.

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Response to George II (Reply #64)

Mon Oct 22, 2012, 03:39 AM

102. He did NOT "chicken out"--Ahhnuld decided to run and he knew he couldn't beat him.

He sobbed like a child on live television when he got the news. He flushed millions down the toilet towards his own ambition, and Ahhnuld went on Jay Leno, announced, and basically ate his lunch.

It was hilarious--I never tire of watching that turd burst into tears after being "bigfooted" by Mister Bikini Wax:



The sobbing starts at 1:30!

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Response to wisteria (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 06:57 PM

39. If only these maggots were just disgusting. Libya backfirin big time on the Rethugs & will take Robme down w/ em

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Response to wisteria (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 07:49 PM

95. Issa is also a convicted car theif. Wow - the hubris.

 

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:56 PM

2. A car thief, gun criminal, suspected arsonist, and now a partisan traitor

has no business chairing any congressional committee. Slimy punk.

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Response to Submariner (Reply #2)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:58 PM

5. With any luck, he won't be chairing ANY committee in Congress. . .

in a matter of weeks, if/when the Democrats win back enough seats to take back the House.

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Response to DinahMoeHum (Reply #5)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 06:39 PM

34. I sure hope so...

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Response to DinahMoeHum (Reply #5)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 09:55 PM

67. Not likely, nor is it likely he'll lose in his district.........damned shame.

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Response to Submariner (Reply #2)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 06:38 PM

31. Yep. n/t

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Response to Submariner (Reply #2)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 02:43 PM

78. And they imply that BHO is a thug.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:56 PM

3. Issa is a terrorist

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #3)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 10:08 PM

69. Bradley Manning releases information that is relatively benign while Issa spills harmful info.

Manning is ruined and in prison while Issa blabs for political gain and is free and crowing.

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Response to The Wielding Truth (Reply #69)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 10:11 PM

70. I agree

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:57 PM

4. Issa is overdue to

be brought up on charges. He is desperately seeking anything to tear down the President, regardless of who else is affected. He looks like such a fool after Fast & Furious!

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:58 PM

6. is Issa trying to be Julian Assange?

maybe he thinks it will help him with the ladies.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #6)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 05:10 PM

10. Beat me to it. nt

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Response to Enrique (Reply #6)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 05:42 PM

20. Yup. He's a copycat. He justifies this on the grounds of "transparency."

And it's just as bad no matter which one of them does it.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #6)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 06:46 PM

36. Actually worst

Issa obtained the documents as part of hi job. He had an obligation to safeguard them.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #6)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 02:48 PM

79. He's a thief. He stole it from Assange.

He's a despicable individual. That he's even in DC is an example of how low the Tea Baggers have brought Congress.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 04:59 PM

7. Horribly irresponsible, this could get families killed. Is there a price for doing this? n/t

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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #7)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 05:43 PM

21. When Assange did the same thing, many progressives supported it.

I wonder if they can see the problem now that the right wing has used the same tactic.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #21)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 07:00 PM

41. Assange released documents about events that had occurred in the past and been resolved,

about things that were known about in great detail by the people who were the victims, things like the video from Iraq.

Issa released documents about an event that happened just weeks ago and is still being investigated.

And the Republican story on the events in Benghazi is what is confused, not what Obama and Hillary said. The Republicans are, as usual, confused by foreign policy. Nothing new. Look what messes Bush got us into. He ignored a real terrorist threat that was staring him in the face and then used it as an excuse to start a war in Iraq. That's how Republicans run foreign policy.

Assange talked about events that were common knowledge to a lot of people. The cables he released had been transmitted to many people in our service. They were not about ongoing investigations. In fact, a lot of the stuff Assange published was just silly gossip. Not comparable. Just because some bureaucrat puts a "classified" stamp on something does not mean that it is all that important or even all that confidential.

Here, the confidentiality of the reports of an ongoing investigation is unquestionable.

Besides, Assange was a publisher -- an online publisher, not different from the NY Times or the Guardian -- just online. Not that different from Benjamin Franklin.

But Issa is a member of Congress who is trusted with truly important information. That Issa published these names is equivalent to Manning's alleged handing them over to Assange. Publishing something and taking something that is given to you by someone else and disseminating it are two very different things. One (what Issa did) is a breach of his duty as a member of our government. The other (what Assange did) was his duty as a news reporter and publisher (disseminating the truth). The other is (what Assange did) was an exercise of a right.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #41)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 08:25 PM

50. Assange had an agreement with the other publishers -- the NYTimes and the Guardian --

to redact the names before he published the documents. And then he reneged on the agreement. Those publishers recognized the danger to innocent people from publishing their names, but Assange didn't care. They behaved with a sense of responsibility, but he didn't.

The names in the documents weren't all "common knowledge" and the events weren't in such a distant past that naming our allies was of no import. Assange and Issa are in the same class. In the name of transparency, and for their own self-serving purposes, they published unredacted documents that could hurt innocent people.

http://www.thisissomerset.co.uk/Assange-blasted-expenses-whistle-blower/story-17111184-detail/story.html

"WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange was bitterly criticised by a fellow freedom of information campaigner on Friday night.

"Heather Brooke said of the man who used the website to release thousands of secret documents: "I can not think of a more crazed and irrational person.

"She was referring to the Afghanistan war logs which Mr Assange insisted on releasing on WikiLeaks without withholding the name of people who became Taliban targets as a result of publication.

"'Assange did not respect his sources, which every journalist knows you should,' said Heather Brooke.

"'He was seduced by power and anyone who challenged him in WikiLeaks was summarily dismissed.'

"We need transparency in government, the security services, police and military, but 'transparency also requires responsibility', she told the audience."

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #50)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 05:06 PM

92. We need so much more transparency in our government that it isn't even funny.

Assange made that point. I hope that in order to discourage future Assanges, our government will move toward transparency.

I think that Obama was pretty open about what was going on with Benghazi.

Contrast that with Bush's handling of so many situations like Abu Ghraib and Pat Tillman and Jessica Lynch. No transparency at all.

It is the lack of transparency that creates a market for conspiracy theories and Wikileaks.

I know it is extremely difficult to decide what must be kept secret and what can safely be disclosed, but the error is all too often in favor of keeping things secret. And again, all too often, the secrets that are kept are those that would embarrass or even endanger the careers of the people keeping the secrets.

That is why I support what Assange did. He outed a lot of very questionable if not criminal behavior.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #21)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 02:50 PM

80. Assange isn't a US citizen or a member of Congress.

Assange is a journalist. Can you distinguish between them?

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Response to savannah43 (Reply #80)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 03:13 PM

86. Doesn't matter. What he did put the lives of innocent people at risk

and other journalists -- the ones at the New York Times and the Guardian -- were urging him to redact the names, as that is what responsible publishers would have done.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #21)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 08:00 PM

96. Assange didn't release raw cables. One of the people working with Wikileaks released...

...the password to the raw files that were uploaded but encrypted.

Once that happened the raw cables were in the wild.

Redacting the files was what Wikileaks was trying to do.

For what it's worth there are some here who support this release.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 05:00 PM

8. Issa is a fucking idiot and he may well have obstructed justice

in that he has made the capture of those persons involved in the Benghazi attack that much harder.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 05:01 PM

9. Issa is a danger to himself and others. ~nt

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 05:11 PM

11. Issa's in over his head and needs to step down

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 05:11 PM

12. So if Assange leaks, he's a criminal. If a Republican leaks......

nothing

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Response to bloomington-lib (Reply #12)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 07:20 PM

43. Assange did not leak anything.

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He never had anything to leak.

Someone leaked information to Assange. A lot of people from different countries leaked information to Assange. Assange was a publisher. He did not just publish leaked material from the US.

There is no legal basis for expecting Assange to keep American secrets if someone gave them to him. Assange is not, never was, an American citizen. Assange had no duty to protect secrets or confidential information given to him by someone who had legal possession of them. It's the source of the information who violated a duty.

If the New York Times gets classified information like Plame's CIA connection, it is free to publish it. Assange enjoys that same freedom. He is being picked on because he is not well known and because authorities around the world are frightened by the potential of the internet in terms of the dissemination of classified materials.

That is why Issa's breach is so shocking and so different from Wikileaks. Issa played the role of the leaker in this, not the publisher to which confidential information is leaked.

I hope I have made the difference understandable.

You and I have no duty to the Russian government to keep secrets that some person with Russian secrets gives us. We have no such duty. We are Americans. We have no duty whatsoever to any FOREIGN government in terms of national security. Assange is Australian and owed no government other than Australia a duty of keeping secrets for national security purposes. Had Assange been on American soil at least when he published Wikileaks, we might have at least some argument for the idea that he was spying. But it seems most likely that people gave Assange material. There is no evidence that Assange bought it or that he completed any sort of exchange of compensation or spying in the US or on US property. So I don't see how the US could have any claim against Assange.

Issa on the other hand was directly trusted with this information, and he caused it to be published. We do not think that the NY Times or other news media that published the information that Issa wrongly released violated the law. Neither did Assange. Not even if he encouraged someone to provide the information to him.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #43)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 12:41 AM

74. Yes, But What's New to Me Here

is Assange's apparent insistence on releasing names of sources and collaborators. That is a clear break with journalistic practices and puts people in danger. Even if you knew the names of Afghan collaborators with the Russians, would you release that without knowing the situation or the reasons? Difficulty: It will lead to people getting shot.



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Response to On the Road (Reply #74)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 01:11 AM

75. I don't know that he did that. I did not see that in the reports I read in the Guardian.

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Response to On the Road (Reply #74)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 02:56 PM

82. So, how many have gotten shot because of Assange?

You do not know the terms of the exchange of information, do you? Long way to fall, off a high horse. Yes it is.

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Response to On the Road (Reply #74)

Mon Oct 22, 2012, 01:55 AM

100. Assange did not "insist on" leaking that stuff;

Details: http://www.salon.com/2011/09/02/wikileaks_28/ :

{Wikileaks'} hand was forced by the reckless acts of The Guardian‘s Leigh and Domscheit-Berg. One key reason access to these unredacted cables was so widely distributed is that Leigh — in his December, 2010, book about the work he did with WikiLeaks — published the password to these files, which was given to him by Julian Assange to enable his reporting on the cables. Leigh claims — and there’s no reason to doubt him — that he believed the password was only valid for a few days and would have expired by the time his book was published.

That belief turned out to be false because the files had been disseminated on the BitTorrent file sharing network, with that password embedded in them; Leigh’s publication of the WikiLeaks password in his book thus enabled widespread access to the full set of cables. But the key point is this: even if Leigh believed that that particular password would no longer be valid, what possible point is there in publishing to the world the specific password used by WikiLeaks or divulging the types of passwords it uses to safeguard its data? It is reckless for an investigative reporter to gratuitously publish that type of information, and he absolutely deserves a large chunk of the blame for what happened here; read this superb analysis by Nigel Parry to see the full scope of Leigh’s culpability.

Then there is Domscheit-Berg and “Open Leaks.” Last year, Domscheit-Berg left WikiLeaks and started a new group to great media fanfare, even though his group has not produced a single disclosure. Instead, he and his thus-far-inaccurately-named group seem devoted to only two goals: (1) cashing in on a vindictive, petty, personality-based vendetta against Assange and WikiLeaks; and (2) bolstering secrecy and destroying transparency, as Domscheit-Berg did when he permanently deleted thousands of files previously leaked to WikiLeaks, including documents relating to the Bank of America. It was Domscheit-Berg who removed the files from the WikiLeaks server, including (apparently unbeknownst to him) the full set of diplomatic cables.

That act by Domscheit-Berg, combined with the publication of its password by Leigh and the dissemination of the files to “mirror sites” by well-intentioned WikiLeaks supporters after cyber-attacks on the group, all combined to enable widespread, unfettered access to these diplomatic cables. Once WikiLeaks realized what had happened, they notified the State Department, but faced a quandary: virtually every government’s intelligence agencies would have had access to these documents as a result of these events, but the rest of the world — including journalists, whistleblowers and activists identified in the documents — did not. At that point, WikiLeaks decided — quite reasonably — that the best and safest course was to release all the cables in full, so that not only the world’s intelligence agencies but everyone had them, so that steps could be taken to protect the sources and so that the information in them was equally available.


Much more at the link.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 05:12 PM

13. Gee, what's the term for giving aid to the enemy?

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 05:21 PM

14. desperation

evil desperation to make our President and his administration look bad. Why would they worry about some Libyans when the repugs don't care about 99% of americans, unless they make over 250,000 dollars a year and are part of the 1%ers. They are really EVIL people. That repug cabal. May they go down in flaming defeat 11/06/2012!

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #14)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 03:12 PM

85. I agree with you completely, but the hair on the back of my neck

stands up when I consider all of the election fraud that has and will be perpetrated with respect to this election. That Williard the Rat owns ANY interest in voting machines is only the first of my concerns.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 05:21 PM

15. Looking forward to the debate on foreign policy between the Demos and ReThugs Monday evening.

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Huge numbers of People should be asking Issa why he released this information. We pay his salary. If he does not answer then fire his irresponsible ass.

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Response to DhhD (Reply #15)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 05:30 PM

16. I can't imagine Obama not bringing this up, considering he has been prepping with Kerry. nt

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #16)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 09:49 PM

65. That and the fact that Issa has had Obama in his sights since Obama took office.

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Response to DhhD (Reply #15)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 05:31 PM

17. The Obama-Romney debate will be on MONDAY evening. n/t

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Response to DhhD (Reply #15)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 05:34 PM

18. it's monday

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 05:40 PM

19. Is there any way Issa can be disciplined?

Pugs control the House, but isn't there something that can be done about his irresponsibility?

If a citizen did what he did, they'd be picked up by the Feds.

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Response to dmr (Reply #19)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 06:07 PM

23. If Obama calls him out during debate,

and publicly embarasses him, that might cost Issa a few votes and quiet the reps a bit on the Libya non-issue.

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Response to dmr (Reply #19)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 06:28 PM

26. He could be fired by the people, fired by the speaker from his postion as chairmen, and he could be

censured.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #26)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 06:39 PM

32. He could be VOTED OUT IN 16 days nt

 

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 05:59 PM

22. Then Establish a Hearing on It in the Senate. Like they always do to Democrats.

Why in the hell don't we have hearings when we control the House or Senate?

Like the Second Part of the 9/11 Investigation that never happened?
Iraq War?
Enron & Phil & Wendy Gramm
Diebold
Blackwater
Halliburton

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Response to politicasista (Reply #47)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 07:40 PM

48. No swipe at Kerry at all.

I gave his Presidential campaign $1,000 and was an active volunteer.

I appreciate you standing up for him, but Democrats can hold hearings, too.

In fact, John Kerry's political career really began when he participated in a hearing at the request of Senator Ted Kennedy.

Somehow, Democrats lost that edge. That's my point. It is valid.

We let the GOP use the power of subpoena and hearings for political gamesmanship and we won't use it for justice.

That's sad.

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Response to David Zephyr (Reply #48)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 09:14 PM

58. +1

 

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Response to David Zephyr (Reply #48)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 10:13 PM

71. Ok. self-delete n/t

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Response to David Zephyr (Reply #48)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 03:31 PM

89. +1

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 06:25 PM

24. This guy's district depends on rich people in Oceanside and retirees in Perris.

BOTH of these types need to throw this guy out of office.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #24)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 06:37 PM

29. Oceanside? In San Diego? There's a lot of Military

there at Camp Pendelton. Marines!

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Response to Cha (Reply #29)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 06:42 PM

35. Yes. That is true. n/t

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Response to Cha (Reply #29)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 09:26 PM

62. They hate the idea of congresscritters giving out secrets too, ya know.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #62)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 09:27 PM

63. EX-ACTLY!

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Response to Cha (Reply #63)

Mon Oct 22, 2012, 12:18 PM

106. they definitely should know about it, as should the entire country (OH, FL, PA....)

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 06:26 PM

25. If anything happens to these people Issa has blood on his hands.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 06:32 PM

27. Republicans have repeatedly put our country in danger with their partisan stupidity.

Time for people to wake the fuck up!

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 06:33 PM

28. Can Issa be Slapped with a

Gag Order? Has Issa Idiot Finally Over Stepped in it so Big that all his other shit comes off looking as just That?

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Response to Cha (Reply #28)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 08:26 PM

51. I don't think so. The Constitution immunizes members of Congress for what they say while in

their roles in Congress.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #51)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 03:00 PM

83. Treason? They have immunity for committing treason?

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Response to savannah43 (Reply #83)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 04:53 PM

90. Article I, section 6

The Senators and Representatives shall receive a compensation for their services, to be ascertained by law, and paid out of the treasury of the United States. They shall in all cases, except treason, felony and breach of the peace, be privileged from arrest during their attendance at the session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any speech or debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other place.

https://isearch.avg.com/search?cid={725D3AF0-7BD1-4F37-917D-B71C369841F0}&mid=3d391eb0612cc704f96c0ef2c096b8f2-41c8206584f19d7c018ecee13000e7ad1d2ae599&ds=AVG&lang=en&v=12.2.5.34&pr=fr&d=2012-05-06%2018:33:54&sap=dsp&q=congressional%20immunity

I'm not sure what this means:

"in going to and returning from the same; and for any speech or debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other place."


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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 06:39 PM

33. My first thought: this jackass did this DELIBERATELY.

I swear these terrorist goons would do ANYTHING to undermine and thwart President Obama. Even if it means putting lives in danger and tossing monkey wrenches into vitally important investigations. They don't care about anyone but their petulant, narcissistic selves.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 06:46 PM

37. "While Investigating Obama Over Libya, Darrell Issa Puts Libyans’ Lives at Risk" From politusUSA..

House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-CA) has placed several Libyans lives at risk in the course of investigating the alleged security issues regarding the deaths of four Americans in Libya on September 11, 2012.

Issa uploaded scores of sensitive material and didn’t redact names of Libyan civilians or local leaders, exposing them to physical danger from the very people the Obama administration is investigating regarding the September 11, 2012 attacks.

Speaking to The Cable, an administration official said, “Much like WikiLeaks, when you dump a bunch of documents into the ether, there are a lot of unintended consequences. This does damage to the individuals because they are named, danger to security cooperation because these are militias and groups that we work with and that is now well known, and danger to the investigation, because these people could help us down the road.”


http://www.politicususa.com/investigating-security-leaks-darrell-issa-puts-libyans-lives-risk.html

Issa, as author of this article, Sarah Jones says..

So, Darrell Issa has leaked important information while investigating alleged leaks of security — again. He is doing more damage in this investigation than our enemies could have hoped for. This is hardly Issa’s first go at hacking up a partisan witch hunt of this administration. "

"This isn’t just your typical Republican incompetence. The Republicans don’t care that they’ve endangered our work and civilians in Libya over their alleged concern over Americans killed in Libya."

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 06:52 PM

38. This is the reason I didn't support Assange releasing sensitive documents

It's like torture during war time... if you do it or support it, how can you condemn your enemy when they do it.

There was no real fallout when Plame was outed by the Bush Admin, there were/are folks that support Assange so why would Issa think anything about this?

If you support Assange, don't complain about Issa.

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #38)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 07:21 PM

44. no real fallout???

Plame was at the front of an operation that tracked and monitored all dual-use and nuclear materials in the world. If a terrorist got some weapons grade plutonium Valerie Plame's operation would know about it. I heard 80 people were killed because of Cheney's intentional malice. 80 people who were secretly helping the US.

I don't know how much is easily found using Google but if you just watch the movie you'll get a really good idea of how big a deal it was.

edit: I had already posted this before I saw your comment.

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Response to eyewall (Reply #44)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 07:30 PM

46. When I said no real fallout, I meant the people who outed her

Were Cheney or Bush punished in any way? Nope.

Scooter Libby was convicted of one count of obstruction of justice, two counts of perjury, and one count of making false statements. That's pretty mild "punishment" compared to what was done and he was pretty much the fall guy for Cheney.

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #46)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 08:49 PM

53. Sorry, the way you worded it made me believe you meant

there was no damage done.

So I assume you were upset that Seymour Hersh revealed that we were torturing Iraqis? Frankly, I'd rather that crimes get exposed, even if it's our country that's committing them. I'm one that considers Assange to be a 21st century Daniel Ellsberg. I only wish there was better media coverage of what is learned from leaks that expose abuses of power, and like you, I want to see guilty parties prosecuted.

Please don't equate Darrell Issa to Assange. You have it wrong in both intent and content, it's a false equivalency. Issa released information with no intention of exposing wrong doing, there were no crimes being revealed, only a partisan attack against the president. His actions are exactly the same in every way to Cheney's. I don't doubt that there will be lives lost because of Issa's actions. I blame him. If Assange's disclosure or Hersh's disclosure of war crimes and criminal deception by the Bush administration resulted in lost lives, which I'm sure it did, I blame the Bush administration for committing the crimes and for starting tragic unnecessary wars.

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #38)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 08:34 PM

52. Assange is not subject to American law. He is Australian.

It's the person who leaked to Assange who is responsible for the Wikileaks matter.

We can't enforce our national security laws on foreign nationals.

The Russians can't enforce their national security laws against us.

That would be crazy.

The Chinese could make it against the law to publish some facts about their country's or military's conduct and punish American citizens for publishing those kinds of facts.

In addition what Wikileaks did was probably protected by the First Amendment -- no more so than when the New York Times publishes news that is leaked to it.

The leaker, the person who was entrusted with the material -- as Issa was, is responsible for maintaining the secret.

If you tell your lawyer something that is confidential, your lawyer is responsible for keeping your secret. That is an ethics matter. If you sign a confidentiality agreement with your employer, you are responsible for keeping certain things secret. If you tell your boyfriend or your girlfriend your employer's secrets, or if you tell the press, you who signed the confidentiality agreement are responsible, not your boyfriend or your girlfriend.

To enforce a law, you have to have jurisdiction and the person against whom you enforce the law has to have breached some sort of duty. Assange owed no duty to the US government. He had no duty to keep US secrets. That's the way I see it.

I don't defend betraying secrets. I defend freedom of the press. And I defend the right of noncitizens to be free from having to obey the laws of foreign countries.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #52)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 09:20 PM

60. thanks for an excellent point, well stated.

I think Assange's prosecution, should he ever get extradited to the US, would be based on him having committed a crime against the U.S. which does give them jurisdiction.

Since he would need to be in custody in another country in order for extradition to be an option, I would almost expect the CIA to find a way to get him arrested somewhere. He seems to be safe where he is now but there are some serious forms of pressure the United States can apply, to any country.

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #38)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 10:08 PM

68. I'm sorry but this is wrong.

"If you support Assange, don't complain about Issa. "

Assange is a publisher of information passed on to him. He is also a foreign national with no responsibility to cover for the US.

Issa is a US congressman who has a duty to safeguard the nation and not jeopardize an ongoing investigation.

What he has done, admittedly, is way worse that what Bradley Manning has been accused of and denied.
Yet somehow Manning is the one locked up and Issa will go on his marry way, continuing to help damage the US for the benefit of the 1%.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 06:58 PM

40. I think Issa needs a new roommate

Bradley Manning

P.S. If that means Manning gets to leave prison and move into Issa's home, I'm OK with that, too

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 07:17 PM

42. This is a republican specialty

Cheney's outing of Valerie Plame shut down the CIA's global clandestine operation that was keeping Americans safe from nuclear and dual-use materials getting in the wrong hands. They say 80 people who were helping us were killed because of that. I believe the number to be correct, I've never seen it disputed.

Issa should be kicked of his committee and officially censored at the least.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 07:22 PM

45. Kick..

This is why we have to show up and vote; so fools like this won't have any power to destroy the POTUS, America, and the World.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 07:46 PM

49. Isn't What's His Name--

 

the guy who helped Wikileaks... hasn't he been in prison for two years now for leaking
sensitive info??

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Response to Iggy (Reply #49)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 08:51 PM

54. Bradley Manning

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 08:59 PM

55. Ignorant Questions Alert:

If the information was so sensitive then why is it unclassified? Who released it as unclassifed? What is the normal protocol of safeguarding unclassified information releases? Could any news organization get the same information upon request or is this different?

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Response to IndyJones (Reply #55)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 09:12 PM

57. "sensitive but unclassified"

 

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensitive_But_Unclassified

The president has issued an executive order that defines different levels of classified material.


From the wiki: "Some categories of SBU information have authority in statute or regulation (e.g. SSI, CII) while others, including FOUO, do not."

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Response to reusrename (Reply #57)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 09:24 PM

61. That makes it sound like this material was not given the proper designation.

If nothing else, the names should have been redacted and it would be Issa who had teh responsibility to do that. That makes him unfit for his job.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 09:10 PM

56. TREASON!

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Response to George II (Reply #56)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 09:16 PM

97. Ur damn effin rite its TREASON, just like Valeria Plame outing was TREASON!!!!

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Response to benld74 (Reply #97)

Mon Oct 22, 2012, 12:19 PM

107. yet we treat our repukelicans with kid gloves lest we make them angry

and then they might kick us with their jack boots

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 09:14 PM

59. Issa should be tried for treason.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 09:51 PM

66. So it's OK for that fuckface Issa to release 'sensitive' cables?

But Bradley Manning is still locked up?

WTF!?

There is definately a tiered justice system in this country.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 12:32 AM

73. They should atleast censor him for it. I mean come on this wasnt an accident. nt

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 02:14 AM

76. isn't Bradley Manning getting indefinite detention for a hell of a lot less?

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Response to yurbud (Reply #76)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 03:04 PM

84. Manning has had all of his rights taken from him.

Then, absolutely nothing happens to Issa? This country has lost the right to any claims of justice, among other things.

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Response to savannah43 (Reply #84)

Mon Oct 22, 2012, 04:27 AM

103. No crime FOR the wealthy is big enough to prosecute, and no crime AGAINST them is small enough to

escape prosecution.

It's not hard to see which sides of that equation Manning and Issa fall on respectively.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 12:36 PM

77. Talk is not enough Kerry

Do something about it..... Investigate and press charges if necessary.

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Response to lsewpershad (Reply #77)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 02:56 PM

81. Press charges?

Who do you think he is? As to investigate, he said his committee will investigate the issue, he cannot investigate Issa and the House committee's actions, if that's what you mean.

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Response to Inuca (Reply #81)

Mon Oct 22, 2012, 11:15 AM

104. Funny how repukes

find ways to do shit and dems seem helpless or find it impossible to act.

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Response to Inuca (Reply #81)

Mon Oct 22, 2012, 03:34 PM

109. Facts never get in the way of Kerry bashing n/t

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 03:19 PM

88. what kerry says is accurate. good thing Issa is not running for prez

 

which he isn't

issa is in a safe district so he wins this time.

in the courts is another matter. but what he did wrong will then apply to others who did the same. carelessly or otherwise.

like wikileaks....


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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 04:57 PM

91. Impossible to compare this to the original leaks of Wikileaks

The names were run thru a respected batch of people and names redacted. It wasn't until even redacted names ... was meaningless did someone panic and throw out the names.


Issa is first and for most guilty of treason whereas Assange is not. ie if Manning is in jail and tortured for doing the exact same thing as Issa, we have to let Manning go or Issa will be thrown in jail. It can't be both. Of course Libya is working with it. They are an ally now.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 06:29 PM

93. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, trailmonkee.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 06:40 PM

94. Isa needs to be removed from this committee!

Do you think school board members would think twice about removing a teacher if she had left confidential information go out? There is a new law against it. Do law makers not have to follow any laws? They can open their mouths and put the entire country at risk. Another example of do what I say not as I myself do. This is unacceptable. Kick him off defense!

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 09:18 PM

98. Just say it was TREASON gosh darn it!!! Dont use those big words in front of

those weasels! JUST SAY IT!

TREASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 10:34 PM

99. The definition of fascism is that it will do ANYTHING, including treason, for power.

Issa is a power-drunk fascist.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Mon Oct 22, 2012, 12:15 PM

105. it's treason but OK to release their names just like Plame's b/c Issa's a rePUGlican

They always get off with a little wrist slap when they engage in TREASON

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Mon Oct 22, 2012, 12:33 PM

108. Shouldn't those documents have been classified?

That's the way to keep the names safer. Who's in charge is classifying this stuff?

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