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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:50 AM

Networks, AP cancel exit polls in 19 states

Source: Washington Post

Breaking from two decades of tradition, this year’s election exit poll is set to include surveys of voters in 31 states, not all 50 as it has for the past five presidential elections, according to multiple people involved in the planning.

The National Election Pool — a joint venture of the major television networks and The Associated Press — has not announced the states that won’t be included, but the decision is sure to cause some pain to election watchers across the country.

Voters in the excluded states will still be interviewed as part of a national exit poll, but state-level estimates of the partisan, age or racial makeups of electorates won’t be available as they have been since 1992. The lack of data may hamper election night analyses in some states, and it will almost certainly limit post-election research for years to come.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2012/10/04/networks-ap-cancel-exit-polls-in-19-states/

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Reply Networks, AP cancel exit polls in 19 states (Original post)
Newsjock Oct 2012 OP
FiveGoodMen Oct 2012 #1
secondwind Oct 2012 #2
OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #84
Robeysays Oct 2012 #3
DURHAM D Oct 2012 #4
ButterflyBlood Oct 2012 #21
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2012 #25
RoccoR5955 Oct 2012 #36
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ButterflyBlood Oct 2012 #56
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Botany Oct 2012 #6
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brooklynite Oct 2012 #16
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annabanana Oct 2012 #23
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2012 #26
Marr Oct 2012 #34
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2012 #39
KamaAina Oct 2012 #41
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ButterflyBlood Oct 2012 #45
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2012 #53
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ButterflyBlood Oct 2012 #24
KamaAina Oct 2012 #42
Lucy Goosey Oct 2012 #50
SansACause Oct 2012 #27
proverbialwisdom Oct 2012 #31
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2012 #35
Panasonic Oct 2012 #32
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2012 #29
McCamy Taylor Oct 2012 #57
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ButterflyBlood Oct 2012 #49
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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:51 AM

1. Election fraud is being planned in those states.

Count on it.

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Response to FiveGoodMen (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:53 AM

2. sounds like you may be right. but WHY aren't they doing this? what is their rationale?

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Response to secondwind (Reply #2)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 07:45 AM

84. In simple terms, if the GOP is planning to steal elections, they don't want....

...the public to know that the exit polls clearly indicated a victory by the Democratic Party.

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Response to FiveGoodMen (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:54 AM

3. exactly. nt

 

this smells

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Response to FiveGoodMen (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:54 AM

4. This

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Response to FiveGoodMen (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:21 PM

21. Actually I won't, since I doubt any will be swing states

Holding exit polls only in safe states is pointless and in which case you might as well not have them at all.

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Response to FiveGoodMen (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:30 PM

25. Do you really think.....

.....exit polls are needed in Alabama, Mississippi, Utah, Rhode Island, Vermont, or Maryland?

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Response to FiveGoodMen (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:43 PM

36. Yep.

I smell a rat.

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Response to FiveGoodMen (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:56 PM

38. Bingo.

Just another elimination of a secondary method of verification.

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Response to David Zephyr (Reply #38)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:23 PM

56. Which of these states do you see that as a threat in?

Alaska, Arkansas, Delaware, District of Columbia, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia and Wyoming.

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Response to FiveGoodMen (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 07:37 AM

81. They are all states that are safe GOP or Democratic

Alaska, Arkansas, Delaware, District of Columbia, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia and Wyoming.

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Response to FiveGoodMen (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 05:15 PM

86. Yup. They did it before, they'll do it again.

There is no downside, after all. We know that from experience.

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:55 AM

5. Where there's smoke there's fire

n/t

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:00 PM

6. If I wake up 11/7/12 w/ Mitt as President elect I will go nuts.

exit polls have been a useful and accurate tool for elections for years ....
and the were in the United States until 1988 and the introduction of
electronic voting machines.

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Response to Botany (Reply #6)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:40 PM

33. If that happens, I will never vote again. --nt

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:03 PM

7. In the future...

In the future, exit polls will consist solely of the Cokie Roberts, George Will, and EJ Dionne sample, except every 16 years when Michael Moore shall be polled just for laughs.

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:06 PM

8. Swing states, no doubt.

Total coincidence.

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Response to Marr (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:20 PM

20. Actually no I'd be shocked

Seriously I just can't picture exit polls in DC, Maryland, Texas and Utah but not in Ohio.

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Response to ButterflyBlood (Reply #20)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:35 PM

28. Really? I can.

I remember in... it must've been 2000, during the Kerry/Bush election debacle. I was watching the news one evening when I saw the most surreal bit of cognitive dissonance I've ever seen in my life.

A panel of "political experts" was discussing the fiasco, and how the results just didn't match the exit polls. All agreed that this was proof that exit polls just aren't reliable, and that news agencies should stop reporting/discussing them altogether.

They immediately turned to the next item under discussion, a big election in Russia (which was going on at the same time). The western-backed candidate lost. The panel was, without exception, up in arms about the obvious fraud. Their proof? Exit polls that didn't match the official election results.

Nothing these people do surprises me anymore. I don't know whether they're propagandists, or brainwashed, or just plain stupid, but logical contradictions and obvious signs of fraud seem to be completely invisible to them when they don't fit into their world view.

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Response to Marr (Reply #28)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 02:19 PM

65. Well we have the list now, and Ohio is being polled

It's just safe states that aren't.

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Response to Marr (Reply #28)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 01:49 AM

78. I remember that so clearly.

It still makes me want to scream in frustration.

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Response to Marr (Reply #8)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 07:38 AM

82. No, none of them are swing states

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:08 PM

9. Follow the Money!

Who owns the major television networks, not PBS, and the AP?

I want some assurances that this electioned won't be scammed.

2000 and 2004! NEVER AGAIN!!

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:09 PM

10. Please note: AP is not the old neutral wire service

of it's youth.

Check out it's controlling board
(emphasis on controlling.)

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:10 PM

11. that's it -- that is the coverup.

No exit polls, no check on fraud.

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:10 PM

12. How suspicious under the current set of circumstances involving the Republican Party's

proven voter suppression and voter fraud tactics.

They announce this crap but do not include a list of states is a tell.

We are not going to like it one bit.

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:11 PM

13. THESE are the states where the results will be "surprising."

COUNT on it!

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:12 PM

14. This thread needs NETWORK level kicking!

Noise this up until MSM CAN'T ignore it!

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Response to annabanana (Reply #14)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:19 PM

19. Sent a FB PM to Rachel Maddow and posted on Al Sharpton's page.

Post in every public area you can is my advise!!

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Response to annabanana (Reply #14)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 02:18 PM

64. Why weren't these states listed in the original?

Seems they already knew what they would be, how odd they set it up this way.

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:16 PM

15. Something reeks.

nt

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:17 PM

16. Just guessing here...

...buit they probably decided that the analyzing the outcome of the Presidential race doesn't depend on exit polls in Idaho and Maryland.

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:17 PM

17. I think the safe states will not have exit polls.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #17)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:28 PM

23. I think the MOST CONTESTED states

will not have exit polls.

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Response to annabanana (Reply #23)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:32 PM

26. WHY would you think that?

I mean really....seriously, stop before you make yourself look foolish.

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Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #26)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:42 PM

34. What would be foolish about it?

It doesn't necessarily indicate outright collusion in election fraud on the part of the media.

What I think we have in this country is a corporate media establishment who begins with the assumption that US elections are 100% peachy keen, spick-and-span legitimate. In recent years, we've seen several instances of exit polls not matching official results, and actually changing the results of the election.

It's not something they want to talk about, because in their minds, the very notion of election fraud is absurd. So yeah, to me, it seems like common sense that they'd shut off exit polling in hotly contested areas.

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Response to Marr (Reply #34)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:59 PM

39. So you're telling me the media....

...on election night, would rather be in the dark about Ohio and Florida by not having exit polls, but be able to tell you with confidence that Rmoney took Utah, or Obama won Vermont? And spend money on this?

Good lord, please don't ever take a job running Current.

You are not thinking logically. You are thinking like a conspiracy nut.

If you are going to eliminate exit polls in close states, why bother polling states that are not close?

Mark it down, these will be the states where there is no exit polling, because the state is safe for one presidential candidate or another and the senate races are not close....

Alabama
Arkansas
Louisiana
Illinois
South Dakota
Idaho
Alaska
South Carolina
Kentucky
Kansas
Oklahoma
Oregon
Utah
Wyoming
Vermont
Rhode Island
Georgia
West Virginia
Delaware


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Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #39)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:03 PM

41. California would fall into that category

but it wouldn't look good not to poll the largest state.

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #41)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:05 PM

43. I thought about that....

....but I assume there might be some hot House races that they can poll as well, like New York and Texas....maybe. Plus as you said, too big a state.

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Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #43)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:07 PM

44. Yes, a number of hot House races due to redistricting

which was done by an independent commmission with no incumbent protection.

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Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #39)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:10 PM

46. You're the one making an assertion with no data.

I don't know which states are going to be excluded from exit polling, but I've seen our media do more asinine things that drop exit polling in contested races in the past.

Your question is pretty much the same one I was talking around. If you're going to eliminate exit polls in close states, why bother polling in states that are not close? It would be stupid and illogical, and if it happens, I hope you'll note it.

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Response to Marr (Reply #46)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:17 PM

51. I absolutely will note it....

....and I'll be sure to book mark this so when they are exit polling in the contested states, you admit you were wrong.

My predictions are based on a basic knowledge of how the polls stand right now. Many are simply not close and not worthy of wasting money on sending people to poll them.

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Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #51)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:18 PM

52. What would I be wrong about?

Unlike you, I never made an assertion. I speculated on a possibility.

I think you're misreading me. I'm not a conspiracy aficionado.

*edit* Actually, I did-- didn't I? I just noticed I opened with "Swing states, no doubt". That was pretty conspiratorial and paranoid, and I will acknowledge that now, without seeing a list.

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Response to Marr (Reply #52)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:22 PM

54. Yup, that's why I said you were off base....

...and if you look below post #45, the official list is up.

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Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #54)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:22 PM

55. So I see.

That's good to know-- thanks.

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Response to annabanana (Reply #23)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:10 PM

45. The list is now out

Alaska, Arkansas, Delaware, District of Columbia, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia and Wyoming.

Yeah most contested states for sure.

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Response to ButterflyBlood (Reply #45)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:21 PM

53. Look at that....I missed 6 out of 19

Although I wasn't counting DoC as a state!

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Response to ButterflyBlood (Reply #45)

Sat Oct 6, 2012, 07:32 PM

89. Texas?

Not that it's a close state, but a big one with a population mix that would yield a lot of interesting data.

This is a capitulation to the budget gods.

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Response to annabanana (Reply #23)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 07:43 AM

83. I am sorry, but you are terribly wrong

The states are AL, AK, DE, DC, GA, HI, ID, KY, LA, NE, ND, OK, RI, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, WV and WY (all of these states are listed in the article).

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:18 PM

18. You think they need ones in Utah, Hawaii, Delaware, NY, MA....


Yeah.. I'll be fascinated to know about exit polling data from Oklahoma....

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:25 PM

22. We need to find out which states

If, say, they decided not to do exit polls in states like California, Hawaii, and Utah, where the outcome is pretty much a forgone conclusion, it could maybe make sense as a cost-saving measure.

But if they are not exit-polling, say, Ohio, Florida and Virginia, that's obviously a huge problem.

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Response to Lucy Goosey (Reply #22)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:30 PM

24. Exactly

If it's safe states as I'm sure it will be jumping to conclusions is pretty absurd.

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Response to Lucy Goosey (Reply #22)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:05 PM

42. Hawai'i has a Senate race for an open seat

Dem Mazie Hirono is ahead, but it isn't a slam dunk.

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #42)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:16 PM

50. You're right - I was only thinking of the Presidential race...

...but there are still a lot of important down-ticket races, even in the non-swing states.

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:33 PM

27. If it's AL, MS, NE, AZ, etc.

I see no problem with some states not having exit polls. I can tell you in advance what the exit polling is going to show in Alabama and Mississippi, California and Massachusetts.

If it's the swing states, something is definitely fishy.

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Response to SansACause (Reply #27)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:38 PM

31. So who wins it, Brown or Warren?

McCaskill or Akin? You have got to be kidding.

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #31)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:42 PM

35. You make a good point

Quite frankly, you could exit poll only about 10 specific states in the Presidential, and that's all you'd need to get a clear view of how it's going in that race.

My guess is MA, CT, MO, MT, ND, IN, get exit polled because of close Senate races.

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Response to SansACause (Reply #27)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:39 PM

32. No exit polls in AZ?

 

You must be fucking nuts.

Arizona and Missouri has turned themselves into a swing state, and Obama has a legitimate shot in getting both.

The downticket Dems (Carmona and McCaskill) are important for Obama's future.

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:37 PM

29. The comments are great....

....right-wing nuts saying this is proof Obama is stealing the election.

Then again, if you look here....

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Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #29)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:30 PM

57. Having polls in contested states will keep Romney from stealing the election. Since the GOP

thinks they have a god given right to steal elections, they probably consider any effort to keep them from stealing as stealing.

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Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #29)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:40 PM

61. Quite amusing I agree

Both obviously look pretty ridiculous once the list is made.

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:37 PM

30. This is what they tried to do in Ohio in 2004.

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Reply #30)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:12 PM

49. Good thing Ohio is not one of the states

They are:

Alaska, Arkansas, Delaware, District of Columbia, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia and Wyoming.

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Response to ButterflyBlood (Reply #49)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 03:18 PM

73. Wait. They're not polling TEXAS?

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Response to aquart (Reply #73)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 07:05 PM

76. It's definitely not a swing state

I am a little disappointed in that though because I'm curious about the demographic breakdown, but I can't blame them for not spending so much money on an expensive state where the result is not in doubt.

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Response to ButterflyBlood (Reply #76)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 07:41 PM

77. But it's been redistricted and the Hispanic population is growing.

They really need to at least get a baseline on that.

They're going to end up playing frantic catch-up in the counties.

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:54 PM

37. So the fix is in. They are going to steal it again. I guess I have to accept President Rmoney.

Big money wants Rmoney so bad they will take away our democracy

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Response to kimbutgar (Reply #37)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:02 PM

40. Oh no, they are gonna steal Mississippi!

Because we know that's just ready to flip blue.

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Response to kimbutgar (Reply #37)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:10 PM

47. LOL look at the actual list of states before you look foolish

Alaska, Arkansas, Delaware, District of Columbia, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia and Wyoming.

Yeah I'll be pretty stunned if Romney manages to steal DC or Rhode Island.

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:12 PM

48. THE LIST OF STATES

Alaska, Arkansas, Delaware, District of Columbia, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia and Wyoming.

So according to some here Romney is planning on stealing DC, Hawaii and Rhode Island...but also needs to steal Wyoming and Oklahoma as well. If we believe that this is obviously because of vote fraud and can't possibly be because of cost reduction of course.

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Response to ButterflyBlood (Reply #48)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:32 PM

59. I see no problem with taking poll workers from these states in order to do more accurate polls in

the other (contested) states.

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Response to ButterflyBlood (Reply #48)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 02:01 PM

62. I certainly hope you're right, but where did you find the list?

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Response to Vidar (Reply #62)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 02:21 PM

67. The article's been updated, it's now listed there

Down near the bottom.

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Response to ButterflyBlood (Reply #48)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 03:13 PM

71. Sigh. These states are pretty reliable about where they are going to go.

There is no conspiracy.

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:31 PM

58. This is Republican Think

They have cut the cost on the National level knowing that local news must have this data.

Will there be a pool poll in areas left unpolled?

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Response to SCVDem (Reply #58)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:39 PM

60. There will still be some polling in those states for the national numbers

Just not enough for state numbers.

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 02:15 PM

63. This might explain it...


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Response to KansDem (Reply #63)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 02:20 PM

66. None of those states are being cut, so no that doesn't explain it

nt

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Response to ButterflyBlood (Reply #66)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 02:50 PM

70. I wasn't referring to the states...

...but to the fact that ever since 2000, exit polls have been at odds with the "official machine count."

Remember when Voter News Service?

Role in the 2000 presidential election

A possibly unwritten secondary mission of the Voter News Service was to provide election results as quickly as possible on election night—a point which came to haunt the VNS in the 2000 presidential election.

Election Night in Florida

The VNS received intense criticism for its 'flip-flop' calling of the state of Florida in that election. During the course of the evening, it first called the closely contested state of Florida for Al Gore, then George W. Bush, and then as 'too close to call'. Critics argued that the state should never have been called until the state's fate was clear. The Voter News Service also received specific criticism for calling the state of Florida for Al Gore before the polls closed in the Florida panhandle, which was located in the Central Time Zone and heavily Republican. In addition, criticism also came because of the call for Bush which occurred before precincts in Broward, Palm Beach Volusia, and Miami-Dade Counties, all democratic, reported their results to the state which occurred after the networks called the state for Bush well after 2 AM eastern standard time.

Bush vs. Gore

The next day it was discovered that 'bad data' resulted in the carnage of the previous night. Due to the Bush margin of victory being less than 0.5% of the total number of votes cast, an automatic statewide machine recount was ordered. In Palm Beach County, a butterfly ballot was used to conduct the election in some precincts. On election day, voters intended to vote for Al Gore instead voted for Pat Buchanan, and the Reform Party ticket. Buchanan received 3,407 votes or 0.8% of the total compared to 0.29% of the total statewide. As a result, unwilling Buchanan voters in Palm Beach county reported votes for Gore in exit polling which resulted in flawed data. Palm Beach County's butterfly ballots


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_News_Service

As you may remember, Gore won Florida, but it took the SCOTUS to rule for Bush.

If you're going to steal an election, you need to control all the data.

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 02:36 PM

68. Here we go... this started in 2004 when "the exit polls were all wrong!"

Looks like they are planning on stealing it again...

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Response to budkin (Reply #68)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 02:37 PM

69. Which of these states do you expect to be stolen?

Alaska, Arkansas, Delaware, District of Columbia, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia and Wyoming.

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #72)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 06:24 AM

79. It looks to me that the Carter Center talks very little about exit polls

In some cases, they mention them when they are available. But I can't see anything saying how they should be conducted (eg by looking at all areas of a country, rather than concentrating on the areas likely to swing). I can find something saying they recommended against the use of exit polls in 1994 in Mexico, because they'd make voters think their vote wasn't secret.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #79)

Sat Oct 6, 2012, 05:54 PM

88. Exit polls are actually illegal in many countries including Canada

I like exit polls (because I love statistics about elections), but they are hardly the backbone of a functioning democracy.

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Response to budkin (Reply #68)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 04:14 PM

74. Exit polls vs vote totals?

Are you saying the exit poll is more accurate? If you think so, why do we bother count the votes. Let's just elect our president based on what the media's exit polls show.

Exit polling is based on whether the voter is telling the truth. If someone goes in to vote and then comes out and lies, that's going to mess it up. And yes....people have lied to pollsters. Not everyone is as open and honest about their vote as you may be.

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Response to budkin (Reply #68)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 05:09 PM

85. Honestly I'm not too worried... Obama's leads are so big it would be too obvious n/t

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Response to budkin (Reply #85)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 07:26 PM

90. Still feel that way after today's conflicting poll reports?

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Response to FiveGoodMen (Reply #90)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 09:48 PM

91. Yes because there is still a month left and 2 more debates

Plus Nate Silver just predicted Obama tonight.

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 06:08 PM

75. No good can come from this.

But that's been the plan all along. Just 1 more indignity. And another. And another. Then another. Before long, nothing's left.


OPERATION NORTHWOODS

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Fri Oct 5, 2012, 07:06 AM

80. For anyone following the subject these last years, this is one of the tells

... the corporate media rushing in to protect the corrupt system. (At best.)

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Response to Newsjock (Original post)

Sat Oct 6, 2012, 11:36 AM

87. a couple of years ago, (i can't remember which country)

I do remember it was an eastern european country, had mass protests because the exit poll did not jive with the results. since many of the states now have corporate owned voting machines (which apparently can only be scrutinized by their own employees) we've had disparities between exit polling and the machines. when you have a voting machine ceo publicly lauding that he will help the repug party win, then I think this country is already a banana republic. and the real corruption started with a coup in 2000.

scalia and thomas should have recused themselves since family members were already working for little boot's campaign. and what happened to max cleland in maryland is a travesty. a disabled veteran being compared to OBL by a damn chickenhawk who never served. and, maryland had the brand new voting machines.

it's a sad, sad country that makes villains into heros (for not protecting the country, but standing on a pile of rubble and talking tough) and heros into villains (those who actually have put their lives on the line defending this country and speaking the TRUTH). we're turning into one big sick reality show.

we need a landslide to win.

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