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Tue Oct 2, 2012, 06:14 PM

Paul Ryan: 30 Percent 'Want Their Welfare State,' 70 Percent 'Want The American Dream'

Source: Huffington Post

WASHINGTON -- Mitt Romney and his running mate, Paul Ryan, share a similarly dim view of a very large portion of Americans, according to previously unreported remarks by Ryan. Both believe that many of their fellow citizens are dependent on government and have no motivation to improve their lives -- but they disagree over the precise number.

Romney's estimate, famously, is 47 percent. For Ryan, it's 30 percent.

"Seventy percent of Americans want the American dream. They believe in the American idea. Only 30 percent want their welfare state," Ryan said. "Before too long, we could become a society where the net majority of Americans are takers, not makers."

Ryan's comments were delivered as part of his keynote address at The American Spectator's 2011 Robert L. Bartley Gala Dinner, which the magazine posted online. A reader tipped HuffPost to Ryan's speech, given in November -- six months before Romney's videotaped remarks.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/02/paul-ryan-30-percent-welfare-state_n_1933730.html




This news is just now breaking.

The headline currently at HuffPo on the front page is: RYAN CAUGHT ON TAPE: 30% OF AMERICANS WANT WELFARE
Check out the photo HuffPo is using on their front page of Ryan's tongue sticking out: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

Al Sharpton is fixin' to play the TAPE and discuss this when he returns from commercial.



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Reply Paul Ryan: 30 Percent 'Want Their Welfare State,' 70 Percent 'Want The American Dream' (Original post)
Tx4obama Oct 2012 OP
begin_within Oct 2012 #1
SoapBox Oct 2012 #20
Sandy one Oct 2012 #33
Lifelong Protester Oct 2012 #51
jmowreader Oct 2012 #62
closeupready Oct 2012 #23
David Zephyr Oct 2012 #27
SunSeeker Oct 2012 #32
kardonb Oct 2012 #38
daleo Oct 2012 #43
wordpix Oct 2012 #46
emulatorloo Oct 2012 #2
freshwest Oct 2012 #16
99th_Monkey Oct 2012 #3
teenagebambam Oct 2012 #4
LibDemAlways Oct 2012 #14
begin_within Oct 2012 #47
Botany Oct 2012 #5
global1 Oct 2012 #6
wordpix Oct 2012 #48
hobbit709 Oct 2012 #7
SunSeeker Oct 2012 #30
wordpix Oct 2012 #49
Ishoutandscream2 Oct 2012 #8
obxhead Oct 2012 #9
LaPera Oct 2012 #10
musiclawyer Oct 2012 #11
Iliyah Oct 2012 #12
Andy823 Oct 2012 #13
wordpix Oct 2012 #50
Liberalagogo Oct 2012 #15
hifiguy Oct 2012 #17
PossumSqueezins Oct 2012 #18
truthisfreedom Oct 2012 #19
SoapBox Oct 2012 #22
allan01 Oct 2012 #21
bluesbassman Oct 2012 #24
fingrinn Oct 2012 #25
HockeyMom Oct 2012 #26
awoke_in_2003 Oct 2012 #28
CindyinIndy Oct 2012 #34
awoke_in_2003 Oct 2012 #41
wordpix Oct 2012 #53
wordpix Oct 2012 #52
awoke_in_2003 Oct 2012 #55
secondvariety Oct 2012 #29
julian09 Oct 2012 #37
Warpy Oct 2012 #31
Ash_F Oct 2012 #35
B Stieg Oct 2012 #36
Shitty Mitty Oct 2012 #39
Initech Oct 2012 #40
wordpix Oct 2012 #54
Festivito Oct 2012 #42
drmjg Oct 2012 #44
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Hissyspit Oct 2012 #56
NICO9000 Oct 2012 #57
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47of74 Oct 2012 #60
bucolic_frolic Oct 2012 #61
AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #63
Rain Mcloud Oct 2012 #64

Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 06:19 PM

1. Where do they get all these numbers from?

Did they go around and ask 10 people, "Do you want a welfare state?" and three of them said, "Hell yes!"?

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Response to begin_within (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 07:04 PM

20. I thought it was something like, "Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat!"

...OPPS, wrong hat!

Or was that, "...pull 30% out of my ass!"

Just keep talk'n clowns...Mittens and Coupon Care Man = McCain and Palin of 2012...Shoot first, try to think about it later.

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #20)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 08:06 PM

33. oops!

Ryan:The 30% on his so called "welfare" all want the American Dream. Corporations,Wall Street and the Republican Party, Teas included" have put up so many barriers that make it impossible for this group to achieve the dream. Heck, The GOP is even trying it's best to take away their right to vote.

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #20)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 10:44 PM

51. Dag nabbit! You stole my idea!!!

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Response to SoapBox (Reply #20)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 11:20 PM

62. More like Palin and Palin of 2012

What's the difference between Sarah Palin and either Romney or Ryan? Lipstick!

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Response to begin_within (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 07:19 PM

23. Let's not get into all those complicated baseline questions.

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Response to begin_within (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 07:42 PM

27. Yeah. Where?

Out of their asses? Unbelievable jerks!

begin_within, your question was the one I had, too. Thanks for posting it.

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Response to begin_within (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 08:04 PM

32. He bases it on some statistic he found that 30% of people get 100% of their income from the gov't.

And then makes the ridiculous conclusion that because they receive 100% of their income from the government, they "do not believe in the American dream" and want a "welfare state," just like Romney concluded that the 47% who do not pay federal income taxes are "victims" who don't "take responsibility for their lives." Of course, the people Ryan is talking about are folks like our seniors on social security (that they paid into all their lives), veterans fighting in Afghanistan (who are paid a pittance to lay their lives down for their country)...oh, and PAUL RYAN.

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Response to begin_within (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 08:59 PM

38. latest..

here do they get their numbers ? They make them up out of thin air and their warped minds, that's where .

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Response to begin_within (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 09:56 PM

43. I am guessing it is a racial breakdown

They will never come out and say so.

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Response to begin_within (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 10:36 PM

46. my question, too - first it was 47%, now it's 30%, anyone want to guess what number comes up at the

debate?

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 06:20 PM

2. Is that the same 30% that still approves of Bush?

As far as the America Dream goes, Obama epitomizes it. That's why they keep making shit up about him being "foreign" - they can't deal with how inspiring Obama's story is.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #2)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 06:46 PM

16. +1,000,000! So true! Thanks for expressing it so well.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 06:20 PM

3. Dear Mr. Ryan: The 99% knows you are a big fat LIAR ~nt

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 06:20 PM

4. And 100% of Republicans on the Presidential ticket

are douchebags.

I apologize to any douchebags I've offended.

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Response to teenagebambam (Reply #4)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 06:40 PM

14. That's a statistic no one here will argue with. Well said. n/t

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Response to teenagebambam (Reply #4)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 10:37 PM

47. Oh, don't worry

Douchebags never feel offended... because they don't realize they're being offended.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 06:20 PM

5. Hey can I play political power dude?

Tell you what give me a 30% voting block to start w/ and I can win a lot of
elections.

I think these guys really want to lose and lose big too.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 06:23 PM

6. And Hasn't Rmoney Been Running Around And Talking 100% Since He Was Caught On Tape At 47%?,,,,,nt

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Response to global1 (Reply #6)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 10:38 PM

48. yes, he's been saying 100% all over the place but Ryan didn't get the memo, apparently

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 06:27 PM

7. He's one of that 30%

After all, he's been getting government money for most of his life.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #7)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 07:58 PM

30. Exactly! Repukes have no self awareness. nt

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #7)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 10:39 PM

49. Rmoney is definitely on the welfare roll$ with his Cayman & Swiss & Bermuda accts

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 06:31 PM

8. These two have a very low opinion of the American people

They must not win this election.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 06:31 PM

9. I have never met even one American

who does not want to live "the American dream."

Not one.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 06:33 PM

10. Corporations who pay little or no taxes yet still receive corporate welfare.....

Is Ryan talking about the thousands of large profitable corporations who pay little or no taxes yet still receive corporate welfare (subsidies) from OUR tax dollars?

Does Ryan also including the rich and their corporations who receive welfare checks from our tax dollars via government contracts while over-charging, profiting off of selling unwanted & obsolete products, as well as for unfinished projects & non completed contracts?

Or is he as usual just trashing the less fortunate because the rich hate paying taxes even for things they use, roads, bridges, our courts, police & fire, etc. etc...and prefer to stash their money off-shore while taking advantage of government handouts?

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 06:34 PM

11. Yeah for modern technology

How many crappy administrations could the american people hav avoided if micro tape and video had existed over the last 100 years.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 06:34 PM

12. Thats the red states since many of the people

are on some kind of government assistance, but ssshhh, they don't know that they are getting government assistance and thats why they are voting for Mittens and Mini Mitt. "Keep government out of my Medicare"!

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 06:39 PM

13. Here is the problem

Besides the fact they are both full of crap, they fail to inform the country that the reason so many people need help is because of the failed policies of the "REPUBLICAN PARTY" when they had control of things. Bush pretty much destroyed this country and during his years in the WH jobs were outsourced overseas so "corporations" could make huge profits. Wall street and banks were unregulated and gambling with peoples savings, 401K's and other retirement funds. Trillions of dollars vanished from investors accounts. Our country was fighting two wars which has cost more than a trillion dollars while Bush and the republicans gave huge tax breaks to millionaires and billionaires.

We still give "subsidies" and tax breaks to big oil companies, corporate farms and to those who outsource jobs overseas and the republican congress had made sure that anything that might have helped get this country back on track was prevented from happening in congress.

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Response to Andy823 (Reply #13)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 10:42 PM

50. you forgot to add the subsidies for fat cats like Mittens who pay 14% on their million$ while we

peons pay much more, percentage wise.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 06:41 PM

15. 84% of Americans

Thinks Paul Ryan is a pedophile.

See, Paulie, I can pull numbers out of my ass, too!

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 06:51 PM

17. Keep digging, motherfker

You're digging your own grave.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 06:52 PM

18. 70% of Americans think Paul Ryan is an idiot

and an a$$hole.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 06:53 PM

19. Link is broken... Anyone?

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Response to truthisfreedom (Reply #19)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 07:15 PM

22. Link is working for me...

Maybe it was fixed in the edit.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 07:08 PM

21. re:Paul Ryan: 30 Percent 'Want Their Welfare State,' 70 Percent 'Want The American Dream'

i didnt want ssi . i wanted to work. pay taxes. etc i am on ssi. took me and my team five @#$%^&* years to get there . i was originaly making x as part of the cost of living authorization by congress. now social security administration says " oh we over paid you , we will deduct $100 dollars for 10 months untill the balance is paied back". i appealed . am going to see if i can bring our mental health unit back on board as a team player . ( mental health was a team player years ago.) bottom line. mr . ryan. lets see u live off of $750.00 usd after expenses . you alpha hotel. i tried the ssi attorneys that advertised in the phone book and on tv 5 years ago. no joy. tried them again, no joy again.
going to contact my democratic rep for this district and see if he can help .

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 07:29 PM

24. Thank God FDR didn't think like that in 1932, and that President Obama doesn't today.

Romney and Ryan contiuously show their disdain for the American people. Disgusting.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 07:38 PM

25. Morality is:

 

Doing what is right, regardless of what you are told.

Obedience is:
Doing what you are told, regardless what is right.

( New Zealanders for Obama)

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 07:41 PM

26. I've seen the corporate rich

and walked away 30 years ago. Is this what they think the American Dream is? No, thank you. I didn't want to be around them, let alone BE one of them.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 07:51 PM

28. George Carlin on the American dream...

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #28)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 08:06 PM

34. Love and miss George so much!

Thanks for posting! So true!

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Response to CindyinIndy (Reply #34)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 09:43 PM

41. You're welcome...

and welcome to DU

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Response to CindyinIndy (Reply #34)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 10:49 PM

53. "it's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it"

Wow, that's a line to remember

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #28)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 10:45 PM

52. thank you, not so funny but so true!

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Response to wordpix (Reply #52)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 10:51 PM

55. Carlin was supposedly a comedian...

I saw him as a realist, and the reality is very sad.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 07:54 PM

29. This comes

from a guy who's never had a job that didn't come with a taxpayer paid pay check.

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Response to secondvariety (Reply #29)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 08:34 PM

37. He has a Govt paid staff doing his work for him.

 

They are working while Ryan is on vacation or campaigning. I would like to know what the payroll is for each REP OR SENATE staff amounts to, then the benefits.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 08:00 PM

31. And 99% can't afford even to dream because the 1% have stolen the

benefits of their labor since the 70s.

They find these numbers exactly where they find their "facts," their enormous assholes where their heads are most of the time.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 08:09 PM

35. It would "take too long" for Ryan to explain where he got that statistic.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 08:20 PM

36. As the French would say...

Que se ressemble s'assemble. (Birds of a feather flock together)

Romney and Ryan are brothers in neoliberalism, so no real surprise here.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 09:14 PM

39. Poor RW zombies are envious of people on welfare

They think people on welfare actually "get free money" and that the money is enough to live on. It's all about envy. And fuck Paul Ryan's "American Dream." The American Dream is dead and buried.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 09:19 PM

40. The real welfare queens in this country are corporate criminals and CEOs.

The rest of us have to fight the "I've got mine so fuck you crowd" for what's left of the scraps while they laugh all the way to the bank.

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Response to Initech (Reply #40)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 10:50 PM

54. like Rmoney

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 09:51 PM

42. More like 1% want wealthcare, and 99% want it back. /nt

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 10:18 PM

44. To me it is very telling what the truth is.

Ryan keeps trying to distance himself from Ayn Rand as it is proving to be a political liability. But, at the same time, he insists on using her term of makers and takers.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 10:35 PM

45. The fact that they can't agree on the number suggests the whole claim is bogus.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 10:51 PM

56. Oh, fer the luv of Jesus Harold Harefoot...



"I have here a list of 47 percent of, no, I mean 30 percent... 21, that's it! 21 percent of Americans..."

What a fucking joke this guy is.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 11:04 PM

57. So does this mean he likes Ayn Rand again?

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 11:12 PM

58. If his idea of the "American Dream"...

...is an Objectivist version of one of Dante's circles of Hell, then call me a proud social democrat!

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 11:13 PM

59. But Mitt said the freeloader number was 47%. Did 17% just knuckle down and start working?

I am so confused.

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 11:17 PM

60. Fuck you Paul Ryan

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 11:20 PM

61. Romney - Ryan have remarkable ability

to vivisect the American public along lines that no one else sees

and to do it with such arrogance and condescension.

Power has its delusions and these two are giddy

on their own ether

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 01:22 AM

63. *Sigh*......There they go again. FU Paul Lyin'. nt

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Response to Tx4obama (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 07:19 PM

64. Ryan should try to get a job these days.

 

Nobody wants to hire old people.
I'm only 48 and the only offers I get are for heavy labor,regularly lifting 70+ pounds and pushing up to 250 pounds and they want to pay $18,000 per year with no health insurance. Like i had no skills at all.
You would think to hear them tell it,nine dollars an hour is Good money.
Oh and I have to supply my own tools,Hah!

I busted my hump for 30 years as an industrial re-finisher,now i have stenosis and scoliosis to go along with degenerative disc disorder.
At least I have a retirement someday to fall back on.
I feel the pain of the Seniors who have to cope every day on a fixed income,they have it tough but,the kids working these days are going to have it exponentially harder.

People who say that "People don't want to work anymore" are in the same league as Ryan who never did a real days work.
The Chamber of Commerce supporter's think the sole role of Government is to dole out the good buddy government contracts with 90% profit to cost ratio,
Yet paying into Social Security and the collecting of it is tantamount to being a socialist or on welfare.
Tell me Mr. Ryan who is it that is on welfare again?
Do i need to tell you to crack a book on political science to discover the meaning of Socialism? Or why these social programs were initiated?
Perhaps they don't teach that in Poli-Sci at BrownShirt U.
Here is a start: http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/social_security.html

I try to be thankful for the part time job where 18 hours a week is considered the American Dream.
Still i keep looking for a better job on my generous time off.

Sorry for the rant but,this is one of the topics that gets me hot under the collar.

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