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Sun Sep 30, 2012, 04:59 AM

US military deaths in Afghanistan hit 2,000 after 11 years of war

Source: Associated Press

US military deaths in Afghanistan hit 2,000 after 11 years of war
By Associated Press, Updated: Sunday, September 30, 1:40 AM

KABUL, Afghanistan — U.S. military deaths in the Afghan war have reached 2,000, a cold reminder of the human cost of an 11-year-old conflict that garners little public interest at home as the United States prepares to withdraw most of its combat forces by the end of 2014.

The toll has climbed steadily in recent months with a spate of attacks by Afghan army and police against American and NATO troops, and questions about whether allied countries will achieve their aim of helping the Afghan government and its forces stand on their own after most foreign troops depart in little more than two years.

A U.S. official confirmed the latest death Sunday, saying that an international service member killed in an apparent insider attack by Afghan forces in the east of the country late Saturday was American. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the nationality of those killed had not been formally released.

A civilian contractor with NATO and at least two Afghan soldiers also died in the attack, according to a coalition statement and Afghan provincial officials. The nationality of the civilian was not disclosed.


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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sun Sep 30, 2012, 07:18 AM

1. Actually, icasualties.org sez 2,125 Americans have died in our invasion and continued occupation

of Afghanistan.

http://icasualties.org/OEF/index.aspx

Ir's the Washington Post..

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Response to unhappycamper (Reply #1)

Sun Sep 30, 2012, 08:33 AM

3. 2125 includes a lot that weren't in Afghanistan when they were killed.

Maybe they were training to go or something, but they weren't actually in Afghanistan when they died. A heck of a lot of them have been classified "non-combat related" with no details. I'm sure more than a few of them were suicides.

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Response to OnlinePoker (Reply #3)

Sun Sep 30, 2012, 10:23 AM

8. icas lists 2036 fatalities "in and around Afghanistan"

That includes Pakistan and Uzbekistan. Deaths from wounds are counted, even when they occur in Germany or the U.S.

http://icasualties.org/OEF/ByTheatre.aspx

Note that any death in-country counts, including those from heart attack, suicide, illness, etc., and these are distinguisheded as non-combat related. (And I recall at least one suicide in the U.S. that was counted as an Iraq war death because an invesigation found it to be directly attributable--the troop was suicidal in-country and was medevac'd.)

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sun Sep 30, 2012, 08:17 AM

2. The first sentence talks about "...the human cost of an 11-year-old conflict..."

and only counts Americans. Yeah, we're the victims.

The reason this war is no longer of interest to the American people is because as a Nation we're loath to see ourselves for what we truly are. So we just lose interest. We're like babies who quickly lose all interest in a toy because we broke it and something else catches our attention.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 30, 2012, 09:42 AM

6. Think it was Mark Twain who quipped that war is America's excuse

 

to 'learn geography' (or some such words).

The reason the war is no longer of interest is that it is being fought by mercenaries and victims of the 'poverty draft' and not the middle class. Bring back the draft of those precious little middle class sons and daughters and see how long we stay mired in another country's civil war. Oh wait, that happened in Vietnam (1954-74), so maybe I'm wrong. But somehow I don't think so.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sun Sep 30, 2012, 08:53 AM

4. Bush's illegal war just keeps running up the score

I still hold out hope Bush and Cheney will appear before the Hague.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Sun Sep 30, 2012, 09:37 AM

5. MASSIVE FAILURE

 

"progressive" radio NPR continues to report things are hunky dory in Afcrapistan.. that the U.S. military is
"pulling out" after "training" Afghan soldiers to take over.. in what is it? 2014?

what a complete load of nonsense.

NPR-- and everyone else in lamestream media continue to leave out inconvenient truths regarding the
Afghanistan disaster:

1.) the U.S. has just spent $Billions building-- I think it's 16-- state of the art military bases in
Afghanistan. who exactly will manage/operate these bases? protect them? Given this pathetic fact:

2.) numerous Afghan soldiers are illiterate. huh? yes, that's correct.

“How do you expect a soldier to account for their weapon if they can’t even read the serial number?” said Lt. Gen. William Caldwell, head of the NATO-led effort to train the Afghan national security forces.

“It’s really challenging for some people to fully appreciate just how illiterate most of this population is,” Caldwell said. “It doesn’t mean they don’t have street sense and they’re not smart in many ways. But they don’t have the education … to look at a series of numbers and be able to read it.”


3.) Panetta was in Afghanistan earlier this year and flat out stated "we aren't going anywhere"-- related to some there
who fear they will be left to fend for themselves (just like most nations in the world).

4.) What exactly is the ROI for we the sappy taxpayers who have spent huge blood and treasure on this horrid
war of choice?? we have now lost 2,000 great Americans to this mess, this utter quagmire, aptly called "the graveyard
of empires".

it's obv why Panetta stated, more or less, that we will not completely pull out of Afghanistan: we didn't just invest
$Billions in military bases there to see them overrun by the Taliban and/or al Qaeda. uhh, that would be rather
embarrassing, don't you think?

obv we need those bases to keep an eye on our very real enemy: Pakistan-- who obv gave save haven to bin Laden for
years, where millions of people totally hate the U.S. and a nation which actually have several nuke weapons.. and
further, people who are crazy/stupid enough to use these weapons.

so no-- we are not leaving Afghanistan in 2014... it's easy to predict we'll have around 100,000 forces there.. errrr, I mean
"trainers" of illiterate, UNtrainable, UNloyal to the U.S. Afghan soldiers, and "managers" of the bases we just built.

we'll be there for decades in this capacity-- and at the cost of $Billions per year.

FAIL.

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2010/09/MONDAY2army-illiteracy-090610w/



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Response to Iggy (Reply #5)

Sun Sep 30, 2012, 09:44 AM

7. After Shocking and Awful, I now call NPR 'National Pentagon Radio'. Until it

 

issues a one-hour nationally broadcast apology for its pro-war advocacy and general militarism pre-2003 and a call for Bush and Cheney's indictment for war crimes and crimes against humanity, it will never see another penny from me nor another moment of my listening time.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #7)

Sun Sep 30, 2012, 06:21 PM

9. Agreed, But National Pentagon Radio

 

is merely a symptom of the larger problem: the MIC which Eisenhower warned us of.

the U.S. never actually left the war footing we went on in order to win the big one, WW II. we're been
at war since then-- first with the phony "communist threat", and now the "Islamic terrorist threat".. study the
propaganda used in both cases; it's virtually the same. there's continually a "dire, deadly" threat against
the "security" (read: financial domination of the world) of the U.S. or "U.S. interests in the world", which
must be protected by the most expensive military force in world history.

"democrats" in congress go along with the war mongering, war-profiteering.. just like the repugs, thus
proving there's totally NO difference between the "two" political parties when it comes to this policy.

there's plenty of other examples of this-- but we'll save it for another thread.

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