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Sun Sep 23, 2012, 09:30 PM

The Wheels Fall Off for Romney as Obama Leads with NASCAR Fans, 48%-41%

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Source: Politics USA

According to a new Zogby Poll the wheels are close to coming off the Romney campaign. President Obama leads Mitt Romney among NASCAR fans, 48%-41%.

The Zogby poll http://www.jzanalytics.com/DATA/Crosstabs_Voters_2way_and_5way_horserace_092112 that President Obama has a seven point lead over Mitt Romney among likely voters, 48%-41%, and even larger nine point lead when all candidates are included, 49%-40%. The real shocker is that the poll found the president doing very well with some traditionally thought of Republican voting blocs.


Obama leads in almost every region of the country, and only trailed Romney by six points in the South, 41%-47%. Among voters who shop at Wal-Mart on a weekly basis, Romney’s lead is within the poll’s 3.4% margin of error, 45%-42%. Obama leads with voters who are or who have a family member in the military, 54%-39%. Most surprisingly, Obama only trails Romney by seven points with those who consider themselves born again Christians, 40%-47%. The president also leads with NASCAR fans, 48%-41%.

Romney’s problems with NASCAR fans could go back to when he mocked them while attending the Daytona 500 this year. The New York Times reported Romney’s Daytona experience in the most classic of ways, “But the crowd initially booed Mr. Romney, who occasionally struck a discordant note, as when he approached a group of fans wearing plastic ponchos. ‘I like those fancy raincoats you bought,’ he said. ‘Really sprung for the big bucks.’ And when asked if he was a fan of the sport, he mentioned that ‘I have some great friends who are Nascar team owners.’”

Read more: http://www.politicususa.com/wheels-fall-romney-obama-leads-nascar-fans-48-41.html



UPDATE TO ADD:

Obama has a 14 point lead among independents (46% to 32%), 33 points among moderates (60% to 27%), 36 points among 18-29 year olds (65%-29%), 11 points among 30-49 year olds (48% to 37%), and is down among 50-64 year olds by only 2 points (45%-47%) and 3 points among voters over 65 (44%-47%). The President maintains his huge leads among Hispanics (68% to 26%) and African American voters (93%-0%).

Romney’s lead is only 50% to 39% among white voters and 48% to 40% among evangelicals. Obama continues his lead among NASCAR fans (49% Obama to 42% Romney).

I won’t say that things are spinning out of control for Romney, but I can say that things are not spinning in control. He is off message, losing ground, not connecting with his own base, being severely chastised (and even dismissed) by GOP pundits who should be his friends. There are ups and downs in presidential campaigns. For Romney, this is a real down.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnzogby/2012/09/23/zogby-romney-loses-ground-now-down-by-8-points-wrong-track-voters-at-52/

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Reply The Wheels Fall Off for Romney as Obama Leads with NASCAR Fans, 48%-41% (Original post)
kpete Sep 2012 OP
magic59 Sep 2012 #1
James48 Sep 2012 #2
Indpndnt Sep 2012 #12
sakabatou Sep 2012 #15
hrmjustin Sep 2012 #3
TheCowsCameHome Sep 2012 #10
Left Coast2020 Sep 2012 #48
Eleanors38 Sep 2012 #58
HooptieWagon Sep 2012 #65
Eleanors38 Sep 2012 #66
Sekhmets Daughter Sep 2012 #60
Mopar151 Sep 2012 #52
uncle ray Sep 2012 #55
Eleanors38 Sep 2012 #59
McCamy Taylor Sep 2012 #4
fearnobush Sep 2012 #5
skeewee08 Sep 2012 #8
kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #23
LeftyMom Sep 2012 #26
skeewee08 Sep 2012 #6
DainBramaged Sep 2012 #19
tarheelsunc Sep 2012 #38
Ken Burch Sep 2012 #7
Mopar151 Sep 2012 #49
Auntie Bush Sep 2012 #9
VWolf Sep 2012 #44
Indpndnt Sep 2012 #11
Brother Buzz Sep 2012 #27
Shitty Mitty Sep 2012 #13
obxhead Sep 2012 #53
Historic NY Sep 2012 #14
DainBramaged Sep 2012 #16
ktower Sep 2012 #41
Mopar151 Sep 2012 #50
TheCowsCameHome Sep 2012 #17
jmowreader Sep 2012 #63
Flatpicker Sep 2012 #18
VWolf Sep 2012 #45
meow2u3 Sep 2012 #20
HooptieWagon Sep 2012 #35
Bombero1956 Sep 2012 #61
HooptieWagon Sep 2012 #64
Kingofalldems Sep 2012 #21
Cracklin Charlie Sep 2012 #22
Ash_F Sep 2012 #24
LanternWaste Sep 2012 #54
pasto76 Sep 2012 #25
VWolf Sep 2012 #46
LanternWaste Sep 2012 #56
cheriemedium59 Sep 2012 #28
NBachers Sep 2012 #29
armed_and_liberal Sep 2012 #30
madrchsod Sep 2012 #31
regnaD kciN Sep 2012 #32
applegrove Sep 2012 #33
KurtNYC Sep 2012 #34
DinahMoeHum Sep 2012 #36
tarheelsunc Sep 2012 #39
klook Sep 2012 #37
rks306 Sep 2012 #40
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VWolf Sep 2012 #47
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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 09:33 PM

1. You mean Billy Bob is voting for Obama?

 

WOW, that is totally rad to the max!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 09:34 PM

2. They should have expected it....

after all- NASCAR cars always are turning to the left, are they not?

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Response to James48 (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 09:45 PM

12. Now that you mention it...

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Response to James48 (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 09:50 PM

15. XD

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 09:34 PM

3. I find watching cars drive in a circle at high speeds very boring.

But that is just me.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #3)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 09:42 PM

10. .....if they're going in the same direction.

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #10)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 01:55 PM

48. So does this mean OFA will try NHRA next?

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Response to Left Coast2020 (Reply #48)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 04:19 PM

58. NHRA crowds have always impressed me as being more diverse...

All kinds of folks at NHRA events; gear heads, hippies (I was an addict to drags in the late 60s/early 70s), women, even some blacks.

I do miss the old Daytona 500s (64, 70, 84, etc.), esp. the early days when those huge-displacement engines revved up coming off the final turn toward the green flag. The crowd roared. And you couldn't hear them. I remember (1970) A. J. Foy's engine blowing up in front of us in the old Barney Oldfield Grandstand. Smoke squirted out both sides of the hood, conveniently before Pit Road. Everyone was laughing.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #58)

Tue Sep 25, 2012, 11:37 AM

65. Yes, drag racing is very diverse.

There's a whole lot of Blacks, Latinos, and women in professional drag-racing. And Asians are really into the fwd compacts - some are getting over 1000 hp from little turbocharged and nitrous injected 4 cylinders motors.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #65)

Tue Sep 25, 2012, 05:04 PM

66. Funniest moment I had was at the Gator Nationals (Gainesville) in 69-70...

when in open competition, somebody from Dothan (?), Alabama entered a finely tuned straight-8 Oldsmobile (late 40s), and managed to defeat the competition, all the way up through sportsman modified, and had $9,000 in the pocket. Everyone was on their collective feet when he got the green light on a epoch-long handicap. But before the other car went green, and right in front of the main grandstand, there was a loud *CLUNK* and jagged metal opened up under the engine, and out dangled a connecting rod, followed by vast, gulping gouts of oil. He rolled to a stop to a standing ovation and huge laughter. Took several pounds of sawdust and many passes by cars to clean up that oil spill. I think he made quite a bit of dough that day!

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #10)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 07:24 PM

60. Thanks

For the best belly laugh of the day!

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 03:42 PM

52. Be sure to catch the road course races at Sonoma and Watkins Glen.

Oddly enough, dirt track experience seems to help on road courses. Ask F1 champion Mario Andretti, who literally had to teach his Ferrari mechanics how to set up a car "American style"

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 03:51 PM

55. there should be a Godwin's rule for NASCAR threads.

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Response to uncle ray (Reply #55)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 04:21 PM

59. Well, the cars and engines are smaller. nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 09:36 PM

4. Who is better? A cool, tough guy---or a silver spoon Mittens?

It was inevitable. It's funny that Mitt invited Clint Eastwood to the GOP convention, because Obama is the Clint Eastwood of the candidates. One of the few Dems besides Hillary and Bill that the public trusts to be strong on foreign policy. And not stuck up.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 09:37 PM

5. The Mormon Factor

"Most surprisingly, Obama only trails Romney by seven points with those who consider themselves born again Christians, 40%-47%".


Me thinks the born agains are not to thrilled electing a Mormon.

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Response to fearnobush (Reply #5)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 09:40 PM

8. Exactly

Im a born again Christian who lives in a RED state & I hear a lot of older white women talking bad about Mormons...

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Response to skeewee08 (Reply #8)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 10:06 PM

23. Please quietly encourage them to continue.......

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Response to fearnobush (Reply #5)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 10:13 PM

26. I read a lot of religious right blogs, and they're having a real fight among themselves about it.

Some of them are saying to suck it up and vote for Romney because of abortion (I suspect they'd be a more vocal faction if Romney were a true believer and not a pandering flip flopper) but right now the people suggesting voting for neither appear to be shouting them down.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 09:38 PM

6. Oh snaps.... Mitts in trouble .... Lol

President O is a true sports fan he likes ALL sports... I remember a couple of years ago when he invited some NASCARS drivers to the White House....

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Response to skeewee08 (Reply #6)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 09:57 PM

19. Jr. has always wanted to eat dinner with O, many think he's a closet Liberal

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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #19)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 12:00 AM

38. Maybe not so much a "closet" liberal

He took his whole crew to see the Michael Moore movie Fahrenheit 911 a few years ago.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 09:39 PM

7. We need "NASCAR for Obama" bumperstickers!

maybe we could SPONSOR one of the cars!

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #7)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 03:28 PM

49. Call Tommy Baldwin or Frankie Stoddard

Crew chiefs who have struck out on their own as car owners - they do 1 race sponsorships all the time.

I'd love to see a commercial where a limo pulls up. The driver's window rolls down, and a NASCAR driver (Tony or Junior, someone with a pirate's demeanor!) says "Where to, Mr. President?" "Forward, Tony, and step on it!" A quick frame of The Prez stepping in (maybe with Joe B. and./or "the ladies") A "Man in Black" speaks "Green! Green! Green!" into his collar, and the limo departs, tires smoking..

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 09:41 PM

9. Can you say SCMUCK?

I can just see him talking/insulting world leaders.

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Response to Auntie Bush (Reply #9)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 08:02 AM

44. No, I can't

I'm having trouble pronouncing SCMUCK.

SCHMUCK, on the other hand, is easy.

(Sorry, couldn't resist)

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 09:44 PM

11. Poking NASCAR fans in the face with hot dogs he was giving out didn't win Willard more votes?

Gosh, who knew?

But, seriously, if Obama is leading with NASCAR fans, the election is over.

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Response to Indpndnt (Reply #11)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 10:13 PM

27. Romney's laughing at the NASCAR 'raincoat' dude weeks earlier didn't help much either

You know the fan that pulled the rotor out of Romney's jet had a wicked cool sense of humor. Grounded.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 09:47 PM

13. But... ain't NASCAR fans all slack-jawed idiots???

This should halt the NASCAR bashing for maybe, what, 30 minutes?

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Response to Shitty Mitty (Reply #13)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 03:44 PM

53. No there's plenty of it in this thread.

We liberals are supposed to all love only the same things and hate the same things equally.

I really do get tired of the bashing that goes on around here of all things southern.

Welcome to DU btw

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 09:47 PM

14. Imagine the lead extending if POTUS showed up at the track in a car.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 09:55 PM

16. Most of NASCAR's fans DON'T come from the South, and most are smarter than a potato

most






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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #16)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 12:53 AM

41. Hey, I live where they grow potatoes...

For the record, NASCAR was just a couple of years ago the fastest growing spectator sport for women. Yeah. It has become big allover. Not so much for this guy but hey, good on most of the NASCAR fans for turning left.

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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #16)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 03:32 PM

50. ROFL - Most?

As long as Most does'nt include the Talladega Infield derelicts, we're good!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 09:56 PM

17. Maybe NASCAR fans see Mitt's campaign as a slow-motion wreck.

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #17)

Tue Sep 25, 2012, 03:40 AM

63. Nothin' slow motion about Mitt's campaign

This is the NASCAR fan's view of the Romney campaign...



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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 09:56 PM

18. How

Is Romney polling with NASCAR owners?

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Response to Flatpicker (Reply #18)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 08:03 AM

45. 100%-0%, I think

I believe all three of them are going Rmoney.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 10:01 PM

20. Another little tidbit: who builds the cars for NASCAR drivers?

Ford, GM, to name a couple. Who saved the auto industry? Certainly not Rmoney.

If Detroit were to have gone bankrupt, that would have ruined NASCAR because most of the drivers prefer American cars.

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Response to meow2u3 (Reply #20)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 11:18 PM

35. The teams build the cars themselves.

The only thing Ford, Chevy, or Toyota on the cars is the nameplates. Well, the motors too. But they are specialty built racing motors, with no parts from production motors.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #35)

Tue Sep 25, 2012, 01:04 AM

61. those race motors are designed by Ford and GM racing divisions

They are designed and turned over to Nascar technical staff for approval.

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Response to Bombero1956 (Reply #61)

Tue Sep 25, 2012, 11:18 AM

64. Designed in conjunction with the teams.

The Yates and Roush shops worked closely with Ford in designing the new Ford motor, for example. The casting and forging of the parts is likely outsourced, but I don't know where. The actual assembly is done in the teams' engine shops. Most of the small teams buy engines from the big teams, ex: Tony Stewart's team buys their motors from Hendrick.
A friend of mine has a 421 cubic inch motor in his '55 Chevy drag car that is based on the Chevy NASCAR motor. No parts are interchangeable with any production motor, and he even had to have the exhaust headers custom made.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 10:02 PM

21. Freepers, this is HUGH!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 10:04 PM

22. Just seems really odd to be saying things like...

Wheels coming off, etc., this far from election day. Granted, I think reports like this are accurate, just seems strange for so many to be saying it out loud.

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Response to Cracklin Charlie (Reply #22)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 10:07 PM

24. You got a better car themed headline?

News reporting is hard.

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Response to Cracklin Charlie (Reply #22)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 03:50 PM

54. When solid voting blocks begin deserting their traditional party affiliations less than two month pr

When solid voting blocks begin deserting their traditional party affiliations less than two month prior to a national election, I do not think it's strange at all for it to be reported and analyzed.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 10:10 PM

25. Obama leads with voters who are or who have a family member in the military, 54%-39%

most important line in this article.

for those of you here who denigrate our troops because you believe the propaganda that the military is "conservative"

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Response to pasto76 (Reply #25)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 08:06 AM

46. Who here denigrates the troops?

I see many speaking out against the DOD/MIC, but there's overwhelming support here for our men and women in uniform.

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Response to pasto76 (Reply #25)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 03:53 PM

56. Or those who buy into propaganda by espousing the opinion...

"for those of you here who..."

Or those who buy into propaganda by espousing the opinion Progressives denigrate the troops, also?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 10:15 PM

28. YEPPIE!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 10:25 PM

29. Is this a misprint, from "Update to Add": "Romney’s lead is only 50% to 39% among white voters"

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 10:25 PM

30. We may be dumb....

But Mitt reminds southerners of every carpet bagging asshole that went south and exploited people and natural resources for profit . Once these assholes extract the last dime they walk away with all the money leaving broken people and a fucked up environmental mess
for someone else to clean up.

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Response to armed_and_liberal (Reply #30)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 10:35 PM

31. ..."you`ll never leave harlan alive....."

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 10:39 PM

32. Forget this...it's Zogby...

That polling firm is even more unreliable than the House of Ras -- so much that 538.com doesn't include their results -- even if the slant is the opposite (for example, the day before the 2004 election, they predicted a comfortable win for Kerry; and, before you make the obvious objection, even though the EC may have been stolen that year in Ohio, the fact remains that Dubya won the popular vote).

Seriously, the Zogby result is entertaining, but I wouldn't bet the house, or even the doghouse, on it.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 10:48 PM

33. Wow! Just wow.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 11:14 PM

34. ...but Romney is ahead with NASCAR owners.

The little people just don't appreciate Mitt's humor -- "you really spent the big bucks on those raincoats"

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Response to KurtNYC (Reply #34)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 11:19 PM

36. . . .NASCAR owners. . .all 6 or 7 of them???

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Response to DinahMoeHum (Reply #36)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 12:08 AM

39. Actually...

the most important owner, Rick Hendrick, was pardoned from a prison sentence by Bill Clinton, and has donated to several Democrats before and since.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Sep 23, 2012, 11:24 PM

37. How is a ham sandwich polling?

... because that's what Romney is, basically.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 12:50 AM

40. Educated people go to track

What you mean Obama is winning NASCAR vote. Somebody must have told them suppleside economics does not work.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 02:07 AM

42. I hate to be a downer but...

how much of that can you trust? I would love it if the Pres. won this demographic but I would be surprised that in the privacy of the voting booth, they don't vote redneck again!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 02:57 AM

43. That's because he doesn't know the fans. He knows a couple of the team owners. n/t

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 08:07 AM

47. 93% to ZERO among African-Americans

Go figure!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 03:37 PM

51. A lot of NASCAR fans are either 47 percenters or have family and friends that belong to that group.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Sep 24, 2012, 04:08 PM

57. Relevant video clip

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Sep 25, 2012, 03:27 AM

62. Especially the Chevrolet and Dodge fans

In NASCAR we not only follow our favorite driver but, often, our favorite brand of car. If our guy drops out of the race we look for another driver in the same make of car and cheer for him.

Romney would have been perfectly happy to let half the manufacturers in NASCAR go out of business. And the fans know this.

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