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Mon Sep 17, 2012, 02:58 PM

Morning Joe On The Entire Muslim World: 'They Hate Us Because of Their Religion

Source: Think Progresss

Joe Scarborough On The Entire Muslim World: ‘They Hate Us Because Of Their Religion’

By Judd Legum on Sep 17, 2012 at 8:58 am


This morning on MSNBC, Joe Scarborough accused every single person in Muslim and Arab world of hating the United States. According to Scarborough, “if you scratch the surface, and if you gave every street vendor to prime minister in that region a chance to throw a rock at the U.S. embassy, they would.”

Scarborough added: “You know why they hate us? They hate us because of their religion, they hate us because of their culture, and they hate us because of peer pressure.” He said that anyone who believes “we’re going to go over there and change them” is “naive.”

Scarborugh’s Islamophobic diatribe encountered little resistance on the set of Morning Joe. His co-host Mika Brzezinski responded in apparent agreement, “look what is happening in Afghanistan 11 years later.”


Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/media/2012/09/17/856741/joe-scarborough-on-the-entire-muslim-world-they-hate-us-because-of-their-religion/



So, I have lost all respect for this racist..every once in a while he says something ok, and sounds ok..
But this one. how fucken sad that a so called "intelligent" person could say this on national TV.."every" is all...all is all
What a jerk...words cannot express my disgust.

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Reply Morning Joe On The Entire Muslim World: 'They Hate Us Because of Their Religion (Original post)
Stuart G Sep 2012 OP
WCGreen Sep 2012 #1
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The Second Stone Sep 2012 #40
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Liberalman777 Sep 2012 #3
tularetom Sep 2012 #4
azurnoir Sep 2012 #5
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polichick Sep 2012 #11
lastlib Sep 2012 #12
Stuart G Sep 2012 #16
polichick Sep 2012 #25
sinkingfeeling Sep 2012 #13
The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2012 #14
Stuart G Sep 2012 #18
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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 03:02 PM

1. Way to go, Joe....

Throw some lighter fluid on that fire.

The tough talk has begun which can only mean one thing: Joey is seriously pondering a run for the crown.

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Response to WCGreen (Reply #1)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 03:05 PM

8. But it is such a stupid lie..all do not hate us..

Some do, some don't, some don't give a shit, cause they got other issues. (like feeding their families)
What an incredible fool. This talk disgusts me. Makes him as bad as them..

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Response to WCGreen (Reply #1)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 06:56 PM

40. There is an actual King of the Idiots?

I thought it was just an expression.

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Response to The Second Stone (Reply #40)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:41 AM

50. that would explain a lot....

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 03:03 PM

2. Well, he should know "naive".

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 03:04 PM

3. They have a right to their religion just like we do.

But that is only half of why they hate us..They hate us because we are on their land..

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 03:04 PM

4. I guess he was naive all those years he was cheerleading for the bush wars in the ME

Douche.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 03:04 PM

5. P-R-O-J-E-C-T-I-O-N

i think that's how you spell it

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #5)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 05:00 PM

52. all military incursions aside

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 03:05 PM

6. Or becuase of the dictators we installed since the 1950s.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 03:05 PM

7. I am sure the age of new imperialism had nothing to do with it. /nt

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 03:07 PM

9. they DON'T hate because of their religion?

he listed 3 things, 1 of which is Islam. there are more reasons, of course, but his summation - that FORCING the muslim world to change to our liking is naive is in fact correct. it has been the flaw in our policy since i can remember.

"every" street vendor is hyperbole, of course, but that's shorthand. i'm putting this in the broken clock category.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 03:08 PM

10. Just about every religion has been used this way.

 

Until people grow up and grow out of it.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 03:08 PM

11. He said this line over and over again:

"They hate us because they hate us."

Apparently he thinks the U.S. has never done anything in the Middle East that should raise eyebrows.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 03:08 PM

12. Gee, Joe--did ya ever stop to think that maybe...

...the reason they hate us is because we're over there killing them?!?!?!

George Bush used to say that "they hate(d) us for our freedom." So he took away our freedom, and that solved that. I guess then the RW had to come up with another reason for them to hate us. This was the best they could do while they overlook the obvious one, I guess....

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Response to lastlib (Reply #12)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 03:14 PM

16. But they don't all hate us, it is a damn lie...

sure, some do, and many got a right to hate the U.S. But why throw gas on the fire???

Why???What is the point??...Joe took this line on purpose...planned, hatred...
.................................I wonder who gave him the orders to pour gas on the fire...last week, did he say something negative on Romney???so now pour gas on the fire??
........................great more gas on the fire..think about it...

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Response to lastlib (Reply #12)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 03:56 PM

25. But we're exceptional - when we kill it doesn't count.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 03:10 PM

13. One word, Joe, "Blowback". Of course, it has nothing to do with Western disrespect of the

entire region for the last 140 years.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 03:14 PM

14. What a stupid, ignorant, bigoted asshole.

There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world, about four times as many as the entire population of the U.S. If all of them actually hated us we'd have a lot more trouble than an occasional riot at an embassy. And, by the way, there have been demonstrations at American embassies for many decades. There's an interesting article about this here: http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/09/the-history-of-muslim-anti-western-protests-is-older-than-obama-or-bush-drones-or-israel/262462/

The short and oversimplified explanation is colonialism, not religion, but a dumb fuck like Scarborough wouldn't get that; anyhow it wouldn't sell with his knuckledragger audience.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #14)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 03:19 PM

18. Thanks for saying this ..hats off to "The Velveteen Ocelot" well said

It could not have been said better. "There are1.6 Billion Muslims in the world, about four times as many as the entire of the U.S. If all of them actually hated us, we'd have a lot more trouble than an occasional riot at an embassy."

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 03:14 PM

15. They hate us because of 'our' religion, beginning with the crusades, if not earlier abuses. nt

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 03:16 PM

17. Joey Scab is a blow hard

MJ sometimes has good guests, but usually just their regular GOP apologisers. I usually change the channel to "Escape to Chimp Eden" and "Oragutan Island," where the primates are lots more interesting and entertaining.

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Response to vlyons (Reply #17)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 09:54 PM

43. DUZY! Or in chimperor's face, smirk.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 03:34 PM

19. No Way

 

That's like how we thought about our Native Americans in the 19th Century and just stole the land they lived on for maybe thousands of years in North America.

Many years ago I was in the Middle East and went shopping in Muslim owned stores and could not be treated better. In many stores I received a free coffee and the owners were very nice. Propaganda is very ugly no where it is spewed.

Intolerance about others will always be trumped by cooperation and understanding.

I am sure that a lot of this anti-Americanism is started in Muslim Schools at a very early age and what these students are receiving very huge amounts of distorted facts. We were forced fed this same type of stuff about the Japanese Americans right after Pearl Harbor.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 03:34 PM

20. He is projecting. He hates them because he is a xenophobe.

A xenophobe in a country founding upon immigration---which makes him un-American.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 03:35 PM

21. When ever this guy

makes a little since he reversed two times over.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 03:36 PM

22. I made it through five minutes of his show this morning. Literally.

Are you paying attention, MSNBC staff web surfers? I've watched this show for years, and even defended it as being at least a semi-balanced forum. I've even been ridiculed for my support of Asshole Joe's clown show on web forums. But you're done, as far as I'm concerned. Joe's apparent 2016 election bid has overtaken the show.

I think you need BIGGER American flags flying in the background. Maybe a bald eagle should swoop in every now and then, and perch on Joe's shoulder. You have turned into Colbert...except Colbert knows he is parody. You are being serious. A serious joke.

If Mika took her designer dress off and sat next to Joe naked for the whole show, I promise you...I would only watch it for a little while. Maybe up until you re-run everything at 8:00. But I'd hate myself for it!

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Response to Atman (Reply #22)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 04:08 PM

30. Remove the round-table and have Mika face the camera straight on with legs crossed

and you'd simply have a female FOX reporter with a better education.

Actually, you'd have less than a female Fox reporter since the FOX reporters actually express an opinion from time to time (wrongheaded as that opinion may be).

I've defended the show from time to time as well but it appears that I usually caught it when Joe was having a lucid moment and Mika discovered she had a voicebox and a backbone.

Today's show was pretty close to a Rubicon moment as to whether I decide to bother to watch it again before the election season is over.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 03:39 PM

23. That must have taken some time

For him to ask every single person in the Muslim world if the "liked us' or "hated us".

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 03:50 PM

24. Mika's dad must have blown a gasket if he heard that!

She shouldn't be associating herself with remarks like that.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 03:56 PM

26. How Many Rioters

A couple of hundred here, a thousand there, and even their own neighbors are telling them to chill out. Joe, you want the world to judge us by a KKK march? Or maybe just what Rush and Beck have to say?

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 03:57 PM

27. Yes, because (Faux) are just so tolerant

FUNDAMENTALIST ATTITUDES TOWARD OTHER MONOTHEISTIC FAITHS

“Jews and Muslims who don’t accept Jesus will burn in Hell.” – Johnny Hart, cartoonist and creator of the popular syndicated newspaper comic strip B.C. (and co-creator of the equally popular strip The Wizard of Id), on the unfortunate eternal fate of those non-Christian fellow monotheists who chose (or were simply born into) the wrong monotheism

“Anybody here today who has not accepted Jesus Christ as their savior, I’m telling you, you’re not my brother and you’re not my sister.” – Robert Bentley, governor of Alabama, on his views regarding the second-class (or worse) status of all “unsaved” citizens of the state he governs

“With all due respect to those dear people, my friend, God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew. For how in the world can God hear the prayer of a man who says that Jesus Christ is not the true Messiah? It is blasphemy. It may be politically expedient, but no one can pray unless he prays through the name of Jesus Christ.” — Bailey Smith, a past president of the Southern Baptist Convention (the largest Protestant denomination in the U.S.), on how Jews literally don’t have a prayer

“I do not believe that God answers the prayer of any unredeemed Gentile or Jew” – Jerry Falwell

“Islam was founded by Muhammad, a demon-possessed pedophile….” — Jerry Vines, another past president of the Southern Baptist Convention (the largest Protestant denomination in the U.S.) and former pastor of First Baptist Church of Jacksonville, FL (at the time, the third largest Southern Baptist church in the U.S.)

“These people are crazed fanatics, and I want to say it now: I believe it’s motivated by demonic power. It is Satanic and it’s time we recognize what we’re dealing with… by the way, Islam is not a religion of peace.” – Pat Robertson’s blanket condemnation of the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims

“We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.” – Ann Coulter on how to resolve tensions between Islam and the West, immediately post-9/11

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 03:58 PM

28. Joe's synapes must have misfired from the stress of his guy "Romney" going down to likely defeat

I've heard Scarborough list the regular drone attacks, the support for dictators and other valid geo-political factors as the reasons for the distrust the Arab world has for the United States on his program several times over the years.

Unless I've just happened to catch every rare moment of clarity he's shown over the years this outburst is the first time I've ever heard him do this blanket "they just hate us because they hate us" meltdown.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 04:08 PM

29. Just business as usual this morning on Morning Joe


First, they don't all hate us, Joe. Oh, sure there are probably some who do but most are just like the rest of us on planet earth. We want a decent, safe place to live and raise our family, enough to eat and maybe a little measure of happiness. We don't sit around hating the rich or envying their good fortune. Some of us call out the ones who cheat and walk over the rest of us to get their goods, but for the most part we don't think about them. That applies to folks in the middle east, I'd be willing to bet.

And Second: for the ones who do have a bone to pick with the USA, do ya think it might possibly have to do with our policies that have brought guns and war to their doorsteps? Do you think burying your dear ones way before their time due to ANOTHER country coming in to "help you" get freedom will in any way make them grateful to us? They might be justified in feeling just a tad peevish about all of our help.

Husband does not usually watch MJ but was in the room this morning when this dialog was going on. He asked me, "What is Mika's job on this show?" I told him evidently it is to sigh, roll her eyes and every now and then go on a rant about high fructose corn syrup in our soft drinks. Or Fat Burgers. Oh, and this morning she was gushing over the "fashion segment" on the show. Obviously gave her chills......

This show, which claims to be serious, is truly a joke. Joe needs to just close down shop and get on with running in 2016. That ought to be real fun. And I mean that.

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Response to Grammy23 (Reply #29)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 04:48 PM

35. Their haters just

 

Hate. The fact is that they have killed more of their own based on hate alone than we have in any of the wars that have been fought there.

One cannot deny that fact that they cannot even get along with each other.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 04:11 PM

31. Um, no.

I spent six weeks in the Kingdom of Jordan over the summer studying Arabic. Everyone there was super nice. The teachers at the school went out of their way to make sure they had a program for my beginner level. (That was a big deal. They were only set up for level 3 & 4 and my program did not bother telling them that they were sending a near-beginner.) Also, the towns people were very friendly, often asking in English where I was from and saying "welcome, welcome" when I said "America."

Suffice it to say, I did my best to be nice to them, which was not difficult considering how friendly and open they were. The Jordanians understood that Americans are not our government (even if we don't). Still, some were gratified when I said I did not vote for Bush and that I intended to vote for Obama again. Likewise, they seemed happy when I recognized the faces on their money and asked about specific aspects of their culture.

And that is the point. America has not been nice to Arab countries, being the successors to British imperialists. We have supported tyrants and overthrown liberal governments in the name of fighting communism and promoting oil export. Apparently those governments and their clerical supporters used these facts to support a propaganda claiming that America wants to undermine their culture--especially Islam. So, when North Africans or Middle East Muslims see something offensive to Islam coming from America, they take it as proof that the conspiracy theory is right.

To be clear, no movie can ever be justification for murderous violence. Some Muslims do hate the West because of their religion and they need to realize that the whole world does not revere Mohammed and has no duty to shut up about their lack of reverence. Having said that, it is important to remember our imperial past (and present) when speaking of Muslim anger.

So, the idea that Muslims hate us is a plain lie. Second, to the degree they do or are angry, it is as much about imperialism as it is about Islam.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 04:28 PM

32. I don't understand why anyone watches these programs. (nt)

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 04:30 PM

33. Their religion doesn't teach them to hate. But just like here,...

....their Right Wing has infiltrated their religion and teaches that hating the people the Right Wing hates is a way of honoring God.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 04:33 PM

34. But, but, we're awesome right??

This is a reflection on the whole "American Exceptionalism" thing.

People who are so blindly patriotic that they insists on unquestioning confirmation of our awesomeness are almost incapable of understanding why other people might not like us. It simply does not compute.

Therefore, anyone not liking us must be flawed. They have to be defective since we are so awesome that it is inconceivable that we have done anything to be disliked.

Meanwhile, anyone suggesting otherwise is part of the "blame America first" crowd.

After decades of western supported dictators and wars, it boggles the mind that anyone could wonder why SOME of them hate us.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 04:55 PM

36. Fuckin Joey Scabs. Write MSMBS and demand his resignation.


Seriously, fuck that guy.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 05:33 PM

37. Calling that show 'national television' is technically true, but the audience is so small

that the term does not seem to fit. About a half a million people total watch his squeezings, the vast majority of Americans have no idea who he is.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 05:36 PM

38. Perhaps Muslims don't believe

that so many U.S. conservatives are morons. "If you're so rich, how come you ain't smart?"

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 05:39 PM

39. They hate us for our Predator Drones....

They hate us for our water-boarding...
They hate us for keep the Shah on the throne for thirty years...
They hate us for Mubarek, Saddam, and the Saudi Royal Family...
They hate us for Exxon, Shell, Aramco, and a host of multi-national corporations...

Dumb ass...

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #39)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 08:03 PM

41. Not to mention the hundreds of U.S./ Coalition bases

... scattered throughout the country.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 09:23 PM

42. MSNBC, fire this asshole. nt

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Response to valerief (Reply #42)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 10:02 PM

44. On Friday I caught similar yet milder remarks from Michael Savage,

who was fired from MSNBC in 2003 for the infamous "get AIDS and die" comment:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101758473

Most likely joe will just make a mild apology and won't have to self suspend like ed schultz, who called Laura Ingraham a "talk slut" last year.

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Response to alp227 (Reply #44)

Mon Sep 17, 2012, 10:04 PM

45. Schultz should have gotten a promotion for that. Ingraham IS a talk slut. nt

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Response to valerief (Reply #45)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 12:12 AM

46. (Facepalm) I'd stay away from using "slut" to describe ANYONE.

Whether Ingraham or Sandra Fluke. Schultz could've called Ingraham "Lady Blah Blah" or something funnier.

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Response to alp227 (Reply #46)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 08:43 AM

48. She promotes the death of people in America with her policy endorsements.

And she does that for money. Slut isn't strong enough for her.

Sandra Fluke doesn't promote the death of Americans at all.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 12:43 AM

47. Maybe Scarborough should smack them around his office?

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 10:05 AM

49. such ignorance is embarrasing/infuriating to hear from a mainstream national political talk show

someone educate him on this one please! dope.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Tue Sep 18, 2012, 02:59 PM

51. so why does joe hate live interns?

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