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Tue Jun 12, 2012, 03:48 PM

For the love of God, Barack...

...would you please stop saying shit like 'some say' we should have let Detroit go bankrupt! Mitt Fucking Romney said it. So you say that he said it, Barack. Get your message out to the people who aren't political junkies, so they will know the truth. The political junkies know what you mean, so you don't need to convince them of squat. The vast majority of voters out there aren't tuned in 24-7 to the national political discussion on cable news and in the political blogosphere. They're too busy living their busy lives, and may just catch a 30 sound bite or two each day to help them make up their minds. So when you've got the opportunity to form that sound bite...make sure you are plainspoken and crystal clear: Mitt Romney said 'let Detroit go bankrupt'. Not 'some say'. It's important, it's crucial, to make this distinction as clear as the light of day. Same goes for when Obama says 'some in congress' are being obstrucntionist or whatever.... No, Barack. It's Republicans in congress. Republicans. Say it. Over and over again.!!

Enough with the subtle, nudge nudge wink wink approach to calling Romney and other repukes out for their bullshit and outright lies!!

Aargh, I tells ya...

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Reply For the love of God, Barack... (Original post)
ClusterFreak Jun 2012 OP
JoePhilly Jun 2012 #1
ClusterFreak Jun 2012 #4
JoePhilly Jun 2012 #7
lunatica Jun 2012 #2
lunasun Jun 2012 #5
whathehell Jun 2012 #8
Liberal Veteran Jun 2012 #3
Spike89 Jun 2012 #6
ClusterFreak Jun 2012 #14
Proles Jun 2012 #9
truedelphi Jun 2012 #16
NCarolinawoman Jun 2012 #10
Jamaal510 Jun 2012 #11
Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #12
ecstatic Jun 2012 #13
Doctor_J Jun 2012 #25
quinnox Jun 2012 #15
Motown_Johnny Jun 2012 #17
Cali_Democrat Jun 2012 #18
Skittles Jun 2012 #20
AynRandCollectedSS Jun 2012 #19
PlanetBev Jun 2012 #21
Cali_Democrat Jun 2012 #23
AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #22
Doctor_J Jun 2012 #24
hrmjustin Jun 2012 #26

Response to ClusterFreak (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 03:52 PM

1. He called out Mitt, and the Republicans, by name, multiple times today.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 03:55 PM

4. Not when he mentioned the stuff about letting Detroit go bankrupt. I watched the speech too.

I did hear him say what a nice family man Mitt Romney was though. And yes, he mentioned Romney by name a little later during some critical comments. My point though is that too much of the time he doesn't do this....and IMO it's always a missed opportunity to connect with voters.

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Response to ClusterFreak (Reply #4)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 04:06 PM

7. I watched it live as well ... and what you want him to do is speak to you

not voters who are in the middle.

If you think about the entire speech, it was future oriented, and the overall tone was intentionally positive.

He drew some stark contrasts, and then pivoted to his positive vision versus the GOP's vision.



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Response to ClusterFreak (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 03:53 PM

2. I've heard him say Mitt's name quite a few times.

Has he gone back to saying, "Some say..."?

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Response to lunatica (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 03:59 PM

5. If he is not going to be consistent he should have a

barking dog that is
Let Biden loose or something

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Response to lunasun (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 04:44 PM

8. Fucking A, Biden is no "dog"

barking or otherwise.

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Response to ClusterFreak (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 03:55 PM

3. Some say President Obama should call out Romney by name.

I however, think he does so. He's a pretty decent campaigner. I'm sure as we get closer to November the Rmoney name will be used more frequently.

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Response to ClusterFreak (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 04:03 PM

6. Majority not tuned in as you say, so it isn't critical, right?

You can't have it both ways. If the masses aren't tuned in to the 24/7 political theater, then unless Obama makes a huge gaffe, it doesn't matter much what he says. If they are paying attention, like you, then they know he is getting a dig in against Romney but not giving Romney even a chance to respond without implicitly saying "Hey, it was me who said that".

The campaigns are really just idling at this point. As the conventions get closer, you'll see both candidates calling out the other. By september, it should be obvious to everyone what the talking points and attack vectors are for both candidates on pretty much the entire range of issues.

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Response to Spike89 (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 05:37 PM

14. But that's precisely why he should be saying Romney's name....

Because the masses who aren't tuned in 24/7 will nonetheless be exposed to the day-end sound bite. 'Mitt Romney said let Detroit go bankrupt' sounds a helluva lot more powerful than 'some say'. That's my point.

I too expect that as the campaign works its way closer and closer to November, Obama will name check Romney probably at every turn. But why not do it now too? I hear the media also saying the campaigns are idling, but I honestly don't hear idling rhetoric from Romney. He doesn't say 'some say' when he attacks Obama...he goes right after him. And look at the polls now....they are really tightening. Some of that is due to Romney getting the right to rally around him now that he is the nominee...but some of it is also due to him being very aggressive, personally agressive, against the President.

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Response to ClusterFreak (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 04:49 PM

9. Yeah I agree wholeheartedly. Always annoys me when he does the whole

"some" in Congress in thing.

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Response to Proles (Reply #9)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 05:57 PM

16. But all of his employers are well pleased.

The folks at Big Oil, Big Military, Big Financial Firms, and Big Monsanto-Ag companies couldn't be happier.

I doubt they are bothered one bit about his whole bi-partisan, "conciliatory" approach to politics. And they really don't care all that much about which of the two candidates wins.

Because in the end, the Corporate Control of these United States is well underway.



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Response to ClusterFreak (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 05:03 PM

10. He has always said "Congress" or "some in Congress".

He's done that since the Republicans took control. I wish he could just bring himself to say "REPUBLICAN Congress".

What is Congress's popularity now? 13%?

There are too many good Democrats in Congress who don't deserve to be lumped together with the GOP.

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Response to ClusterFreak (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 05:08 PM

11. A few weeks ago on The War Room,

I did hear former SF Mayor Willie Brown tell Jennifer Granholm that it is wiser for Obama to not call Mitt Rob-me out directly by name as much until the conventions (or something like that), since Ron Paul still has yet to drop out. Brown said that Obama should keep the Republicans guessing about exactly who he is attacking.
I'm not sure if I agree with that. But as far as Congress goes...Obama should definitely call out the chief culprits (which are the GOPhers) instead of grouping the Democrats in there along with them. With the exception of the Blue Dogs, the Democrats aren't the ones trying to get the president booted out of office. He's been in office over 3 years...he should know who his enemies and allies are.

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Response to ClusterFreak (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 05:24 PM

12. Excuse me, but he HAS repeatedly and contuously called out Mitt Romney on the

campaign trail. Thing is, it wasn't just Mitt Romney. It's his surrogates. It's the Republican Party who is onboard with this as well.

I understand that in certain contexts he can't explicitly say Mitt due to the political ramification. But he's fired up on the campaign trail, and he calls them all out by name.

I'm more frustrated that he rarely if ever called out the REPUBLICANS in Congress who are obstructing things. He merely that accuses "Congress," not necessarily the Republicans who are responsible for blocking shit.

That's what you should be mad about.

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Response to ClusterFreak (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 05:32 PM

13. But then you have the MSM complaining about him going negative

so early. No matter what he says, it's a problem.

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #13)

Wed Jun 13, 2012, 05:49 PM

25. They'll do that anyway

so, for God's sake, be a leader, and put the blame where it belongs

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Response to ClusterFreak (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 05:39 PM

15. I hate it when mushy middlers use the "both sides are at fault" B.S.

 

This is a little different than what the topic is, but it reminded me of that.

Maybe Obama thinks if he blames republicans by name, he might lose some republican votes. But that seems pretty flimsy, I doubt many republicans are going to vote for him.

It will be interesting if he ever uses republicans by name during the campaign, it will be kind of pathetic if he doesn't.

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Response to ClusterFreak (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 05:58 PM

17. Sorry but using his name would just elevate him.

He isn't worth it.

Pres. Obama is a brilliant politician and he is doing this on purpose.

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Response to ClusterFreak (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 06:05 PM

18. OMG. You just said what drives me crazy about the way Obama deals with the opposition

They savage him every chance they get and he treats them with kid gloves.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #18)

Wed Jun 13, 2012, 12:39 AM

20. didn't you hear?

debt was "baked into the cake"

gawd

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Response to ClusterFreak (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 06:56 PM

19. If they are as controlled and brilliant in their campaign strategy...

...now as they were in '08, they have a very detailed plan and they will stay on script no matter what. As things unfold, they will systematically tear him apart by laying eggs of doubt and uncertainty about Romney along the way. Let's hope!

I understand your frustration though! I wish politics were more like that Dudley Moore movie, Crazy People, where he decides to be completely honest in advertising ALL the time.

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Response to ClusterFreak (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2012, 12:45 PM

21. Cluster nailed it to the wall

Obama does use euphemisms. I'm especially sick of him saying that congress is doing nothing. No, fool, the Republicans are doing nothing.

Bush was never shy about this. He'd just blame the Democrats, mentioning them by name.

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Response to PlanetBev (Reply #21)

Wed Jun 13, 2012, 03:31 PM

23. Yup...there are a lot of good folks in Congress trying hard to get things done

I hate when they are lumped in together with the Republicans. Fuggin pissed me off.

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Response to ClusterFreak (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2012, 03:26 PM

22. What about supporting the latest "free trade" agreement? Wouldn't that bring us all together?

 

The Chamber of Commerce and Rmoney already support it.

Trans-Pacific negotiations have been taking place throughout the Obama presidency. The deal is strongly supported by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the top lobbying group for American corporations. Obama's Republican opponent in the 2012 presidential elections, Mitt Romney, has urged the U.S. to finalize the deal as soon as possible.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/13/obama-trade-document-leak_n_1592593.html


If that is President Obama's policy, shouldn't that be ours?

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Response to ClusterFreak (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2012, 05:47 PM

24. He still thinks they'll like him if he doesn't call them out

still trying to win votes from freepers instead of liberals, unions, etc.

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Response to ClusterFreak (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2012, 05:49 PM

26. Most people are idiots.

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