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Wed Dec 28, 2011, 09:18 AM

Voters Have Two Choices: Dems or Disaster. Stop Helping Disaster Win!

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November 11, 2011

<snip>If you want to know why things in this country have gotten worse, it’s because the Republican Party has gotten bolder. And they’ve become bolder because the left is helping them win almost as much as their own base is. I’m not even going to beat around the bush anymore; if you think the two major parties are “basically the same,” you’re an idiot. Compare the 32 years after World War II, dominated by Democrats with the 32 years of the neocon era, and tell me there’s no difference. When “political junkies” say stupid things like the quote above, it makes me wonder which political system they’re following.

I think a lot of these “emo progs” think electoral politics is really complicated. It’s not. It’s not complicated because most voters are and always have been what some progressives call “low-information voters,” usually as a pejorative. By the way, you don’t get to decry the fact that Republicans are trying to push people off the voting rolls, and then turn around and call them stupid because they don’t have the time, energy or inclination to “study” everything there is to know about every candidate. By this time in our electoral system’s history, it should be crystal clear to you; Democrats represent a wide variety of people of every race, ethnicity, creed, sexual orientation and economic background, while Republicans don’t give a shit about anyone. Period. Why does anyone need anymore information than that to make a decision?

Yet, “emo progs” come along and confuse the issue for “low information voters,” screaming “Democrats suck!” Now, given that each of these voters has two choices; Democrat or Republican, and he hears that Democrats suck, who would you recommend he or she vote for? If they’re “low information,” why would you assume they all listen to your nuance and make their electoral decisions accordingly? Why would you assume that, when such voters hear such denigration of Democrats, they would differentiate between Blanche Lincoln or Ben Nelson and Russ Feingold or Alan Grayson? Don’t you even wonder why Grayson and Feingold lost last year? Has it even occurred “emo progs” that all of these “low-information voters” heard the simple-minded message that “Democrats are spineless” and either voted Republican or stayed away from the polls as a result? snip

Voters have two choices every November, between competence and disaster. When you trash “the Democrats” mercilessly, the Republicans gain. And if you don’t think we lose when Republicans gain, then you haven’t been paying attention.

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Reply Voters Have Two Choices: Dems or Disaster. Stop Helping Disaster Win! (Original post)
NNN0LHI Dec 2011 OP
JNelson6563 Dec 2011 #1
SunsetDreams Dec 2011 #2
Enrique Dec 2011 #3
alcibiades_mystery Dec 2011 #4
UTUSN Dec 2011 #5
Pab Sungenis Dec 2011 #6
Frances Dec 2011 #8
Pab Sungenis Dec 2011 #11
Frances Dec 2011 #13
Bucky Dec 2011 #7
Scurrilous Dec 2011 #9
Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2011 #10
boston bean Dec 2011 #12
SidDithers Dec 2011 #14
spanone Dec 2011 #15
MisterP Dec 2011 #16
MelungeonWoman Dec 2011 #17

Response to NNN0LHI (Original post)

Wed Dec 28, 2011, 10:03 AM

1. I think for some it is empowering.

So funny to read "Oh, so questioning the President isn't allowed??" lolz

I say, sure, question away. But they reveal themselves when they keep bleating out the same handful of trash talking remarks ad nauseum. No questioning, no point by point criticisms....but if you dare to call 'em on the constant bleating, out comes the old "So I can't question..." cross-dragging and/or pearl clutching routine. It's actually pretty hilarious.

I mean circular reasoning works because circular reasoning works!!1!! Or something.

Right here with ya Don.

Julie

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Response to NNN0LHI (Original post)

Wed Dec 28, 2011, 10:23 AM

2. K&R Straight Democratic Party voting for me

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Response to NNN0LHI (Original post)

Wed Dec 28, 2011, 10:34 AM

3. it's not enough that our politicians dumb themselves down

now we're getting people telling us that we ALL have to dumb ourselves down, so as not to "confuse the low-information voter."

We should all become DNC operatives, Democratic versions of Frank Luntz, seeing everyone as morons to placate with bullshit.

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Response to NNN0LHI (Original post)

Wed Dec 28, 2011, 10:36 AM

4. Some people here want disaster...something about a bandaid being ripped off

Really demented stuff: help through disaster therapy, or something. It's an odd and consistently failed position, but some folks like it.

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Response to NNN0LHI (Original post)

Wed Dec 28, 2011, 10:37 AM

5. R#12 & K n/t

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Response to NNN0LHI (Original post)

Wed Dec 28, 2011, 10:55 AM

6. The only problem is that

 

with some Democrats (like the dearly departing but not fast enough Ben Nelson) it's Democrats AND disaster.

We need to change our party's direction.

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Response to Pab Sungenis (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 28, 2011, 11:30 AM

8. And who will replace Ben Nelson?

Almost certainly a Republican

And how will that Republican be different from Ben Nelson?

That Republican may make the Senate have a Republican majority. That means that Republicans will control the committees and the Senate leadership.

Assuming Obama is re-elected, he will have even less power than he does now.

Edited to try to add link to talkingpointsmemo commentary on Ben Nelson's decision not to run:


http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/12/ben-nelson-and-the-battle-for-senate-control.php?ref=fpb

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Response to Frances (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 28, 2011, 07:55 PM

11. And if the Senate was split 50/50

 

(which is the only situation where Nelson's seat would make the difference), what assurance do we have that Nelson wouldn't have jumped ship and become a Republican to try and stay in the majority?

He backed them on enough filibusters to make it a plausibility.

Sometimes it's better to have an outright opponent in a seat than a disloyal friend. The opponent, at least, will stab you in the stomach instead of the back.

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Response to Frances (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 28, 2011, 09:55 PM

13. When Southerners deserted the Dem party for the Repub party

I thought it would not make a difference since they were so conservative.

The difference was that Tom Delay and Newt Gingrich got power and began robbing us blind.

If nothing else the Blue dog Dems helped keep Dems in the majority.

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Response to NNN0LHI (Original post)

Wed Dec 28, 2011, 11:08 AM

7. I don't think this is a real problem.

I don't think the phrase "emo prog" will ever catch on. It sounds like a species of pollywog.

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Response to NNN0LHI (Original post)

Wed Dec 28, 2011, 12:52 PM

9. Thanks.

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Response to NNN0LHI (Original post)

Wed Dec 28, 2011, 01:02 PM

10. We have 3 choices: Conservatives, moderates, or progressives.

I vote for progressives.

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Response to NNN0LHI (Original post)

Wed Dec 28, 2011, 07:59 PM

12. what about the disaster everyone is already in?

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Response to NNN0LHI (Original post)

Wed Dec 28, 2011, 09:58 PM

14. K&R...nt

Sid

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Response to NNN0LHI (Original post)

Wed Dec 28, 2011, 09:59 PM

15. k&r...

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Response to NNN0LHI (Original post)

Thu Dec 29, 2011, 04:00 AM

16. "the people have let down their politicians!"

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Response to NNN0LHI (Original post)

Thu Dec 29, 2011, 08:09 AM

17. Low information voters have no idea what emo progs do.

This election, like so many before it, will be decided by the low information voter. There are too many of them for anything else to happen. I wouldn't worry too much about what the emo progs want to do. I doubt if grousing to a few people on a message board is going to influence anything anyway. When a candidate makes a stand on any given issue there are going to be certain variables. Some people will support issue A, some people will see issue A as a dealbreaker, many people won't be influenced either way by issue A. that's just the way it is. It's ultimately the responsibility of the candidate to do what he or she needs to do to secure the electoral advantage they desire.

Don't stress over it, someone will come up with a catchy slogan or outrageous charge a few days before the election that will make all this petty bickering moot. Chillax.

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