Autopsy results show Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles

wonder if it's just more bull shit.

Zimmerman executed that small child, I saw the video on the news...i am not sure how he could have been afraid, he was about 20 feet away.

This whole thing still boils down to who the aggressor was. By his own acount with the police it is obvious who was doing the chasing and who was defending themselves. Sounds to me like badass Zimmerman attempted to kick the boys ass and when he learned that Trayvon was not going to just let him do it and he Zimmerman was going to get his ass kicked, he killed the boy.

What indication is there that Zimmerman attempted to kick the boys ass?

This is how the whole event started. Why the hell was a white adult male stalking a black teenager? It's not like it was on Zimmerman's property.

Of course the boy had the right to defend himself - he was stalked and/or attacked.

follows on foot, I would be afraid. What is your definition of a stalker?

Plain and simple.

Until you've been stalked by a strange man in a car (and I have) you have no idea how very threatening that is.

And if Trayvon did turn and confront him, then his response was the same as mine was when I was stalked by a strange man in a van some 20 years ago. Rather then let him find out where I lived, I doubled back and confronted him. He was still in his van, however, parked in a lot and yelling something at me. When I approached him and demanded to know what exactly he wanted, he turned bright red and gunned it outta there. Left about half his tires in the lot, too. Fucking coward. Stalkers are fucking bullying cowards.

And I called the cops, and he was arrested. No matter what some posters say, it isn't legal to follow someone.

It was very, very scary, wasn't it?

Mine was pre-cell phone days and I was on the opposite side of town as the police station, or I would have headed there pronto.

They were there in literally a minute (I was in a downtown area).

I crossed to a different side of the street, and he followed, he started walking faster, and turned wherever I did. Very scary.

Glad you were okay!

you weren't dragging a land-line along with you

Lucky for you the cops happened to be so close by and didn't get caught in a traffic jam!

After I left the convenience store, mine drove past me on the main road and yelled something at me. A minute later, passed me going the other way and yelled something at me. And back and forth again and again. And then I turned down a side street and he turned, passed me there and yelled something. And then again, the other way.

Just after I turned into the side-side street that led to and apartment complex and 2 condo complexes, he pulled into a parking lot at that corner and yelled something at me. I was sweating bullets by then, totally panicked.

Nowhere to run. Nowhere to hide. And then a little switch turned in my brain, and I morphed from primal fear into primal rage. That's when I doubled back and confronted him.

And hahahaha about the landline!

life.

Too bad Trayvon did not have a chance to be far more aggressive when he attempted to defend himself. A mere broken nose and a few scratches is not enough to stop an armed, crazed stalker who is determined that you 'won't get away'.

All this does is to show that Trayvon feared for his life, and that his fears were justified, he is dead, is he not?

that Zimmerman planned to kick his ass. Zimmerman called 911 numerous times and not once did he confront anybody but somehow this time he was out looking for a fight. Just doesn't add up.

Please tell us how the two of them ended up in the SAME PLACE?

Something doesn't

That says to me, he wasn't going to let this one get away BECAUSE of the numerous times he's called 911 before. So he was planning on doing something. Deny, it all you want. This makes perfect sense that Zimmerman was looking to instigate something.

....for to confirm that it wasn't him screaming.

I hope Trayvon did break the mother fuckers nose too.

I just don't get it. Since Zimmerman had the gun, why wait until he was on the ground getting pummeled to use it? If he was afraid of Trayvon, why wasn't he holding it when Trayvon advanced on him? If Zimmerman advanced on Trayvon, he apparently wasn't carrying it then either. It's only when Zimmerman is on the ground getting hit in the head and face that he fires upwards at Trayvon. So many people are saying that Zimmerman was "gunning" to get this guy...if so, he wasn't holding his weapon.

I got asked while sunning myself at my condo's pool if I was a resident. A lot of non-residents were scaling the fence, using the pool, stealing property, and vandalizing the grounds. As I was a new owner, this member of the HOA didn't know me. I identified myself, made some small talk with the HOA member, and went back to my book. Maybe Zimmerman simply asked Trayvon if he lived there. With multiple burglaries and a recent home invasion, maybe...just maybe....he was looking out for his neighbors and Trayvon got upset and lashed out.

Doesn't sound like he was profiling at all, despite NBC's staff editing the 911 tapes to make it look like he was. I don't know...I'm just wondering if some guy was concerned for his neighbors and things went from bad to worse.

He was stalking the kid.

Enjoy your stay at DU

The only portion that might apply would be:

784.048 Stalking; definitions; penalties.

(2) Any person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks another person commits the offense of stalking, a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.


The key is repeatedly. This was a one off event.

Pretty weak argument.

strangers and to be feared. Zimmerman had called the police - that is all he was supposed to do. Beyond that he was the attacker.

he claimed that Trayvon circled his car repeatedly.

Which, naturally, begs the question why he did he get out of his car if he was so afraid?


He also claimed that Trayvon pinned his shoulders down. And had his hand over his mouth and tried to smother him. And repeatedly banged his head on the ground. And spotted the gun and tried to grab it. And then they wrestled for it.

Which, naturally, begs the questions how many hands did Trayvon have? And how was Zimmy screaming for help -- for 40 seconds on the 911 tape -- with Trayvon's hand over his mouth trying to smother him?


He also claimed at the hearing that after Trayvon had him pinned to the ground with hand over his mouth, etc. that he "managed to scoot away" and shot Trayvon from a short distance.

See, this is what happens when you lie, and then evidence turns up that conflicts with your lies. You start modifying your story to fit with the unexpected facts. And then more evidence, such as forensic evidence showing the angle and distance of the shot, conflicts with the new version. So you modify the story again, until it is a convoluted mess that is anatomically impossible and makes no sense.

And as Judge Judy says, "If it doesn't make sense, it's a lie!"

Occam's Razor, and my personal experience with being stalked by a strange man in a car, tells me that Trayvon may well have turned and confronted him. Trayvon may well have gotten off a lucky punch, knocked him down and he hit his head on the paved walkway between the townhouses. And that's when he pulled his gun, pointed it at Trayvon who started calling for help. And then shot him.

There was no heroic, insane wrestling match on the ground with an 8-armed Trayvon pinning him down, pounding his head repeatedly into the concrete, smothering him, spotting the gun and trying to wrestle it away from him...and so on.

As far as the profiling, I don't know what the definition is. But yesterday's news reports said the FBI is now interviewing witnesses as part of the Federal investigation as to whether this was a hate crime.

as a member of the HOA. let's compare and contrast your experience with that of trayvon martin and see if you can recognize the differences in the two episodes.

I can't understand how you can be glad about that

what got martin killed was an overzealous idiot "neighborhood watch" asshole.

that Trayvon had to defend himself but since I do not know all the evidence it is possible. All current indications are that if Trayvon had not hit Zimmerman he would still be alive.

and met the police by the mailboxes, like they suggested he do, Trayvon would still be alive.

There are no indications that Trayvon's attempt to defend himself caused his death.

What caused his death was an out-of-control, armed self-appointed wannabe cop with a history of violence. Who btw used one addictive prescription drug that affects impulse control to get up in the morning and second addictive prescription drug to go to sleep at night. Both of which occasionally have the unfortunate side effect of mood swings, and both of which can cause withdrawal symptoms when stopped.

All current indications are that if Zimmerman had been in jail, Trayvon would still be alive.

All current indications are that if Florida had sensible gun laws, Trayvon would still be alive.

other current indications are that you don't think a black kid has the right to defend himself against imminent attack.

to defend myself from that person by hitting them if I could. Or if they tackled me, to hit them to try to get away or get them off me.

If Trayvon was a 17 year old blonde girl, would all the Trayvon haters be on Zimmerman's side? I think not....the only reason I say blonde girl is because how the media loves those stories.

this story has drifted over time.

At first Zimmerman was much larger than Martin - that has demonstrated to not be the case. I would expect to see a a body double of Martin standing next to a puny Zimmerman (anybody doubt he has been losing weight since the incident). Martin towered over him.

Martin was an angel who was only suspended for tardiness. Well that story has changed with drug residue and jewelry found on his person at school along with the statement that he was in an unauthorized location. It makes him look like a burgler.

His association with street fighting. Not proved to my satisfaction yet, but what if it is at trial?

Why didn't his father start looking for him the night before? That part has troubled me from the beginning.

I still think Zimmerman committed manslaughter, but Murder is a stretch. Remember Zimmerman does have the right to walk and even follow someone (as creepy as it sounds) in his neighborhood. He even has the right to approach an individual and ask that person what they are doing in the neighborhood (remember Martin is a guest and not a resident). It is a profoundly stupid thing to do but not illegal and not necessarily an aggressive act.

It will come down to the screams on the 911 tape and how believable Zimmerman is on the witness stand.


I personally think that Zimmerman tried to detain Martin and Martin responded. Proving that may be difficult. The next step is whether you are justified in shooting someone during a fist fight. Did Zimmerman give up his stand your ground rights by his prior actions (following and possibly detaining). Even if he did he can still be justified if he is unable to escape the situation and is in danger.

What rights did Trayvon have? According to many they only talk about Zimmerman's so called rights to kill this child. Fuck that!

Trayvon associated with street fighting? Perhaps you could provide a link?

Jewelry found on his person? Link?

There is a lot more evidence than the 911 tape. There are numerous witnesses, forensic evidence, medical reports, etc.

One new item that came out on Monday, when the prosecution provided the defense with its evidence, is videotape from a security camera at the complex in the proximity of the evening's events. We haven't seen that tape, so we have no way of knowing exactly what -- or who -- is on it, never mind what they're doing at the time.

On the other hand, Zimmerman's story has changed repeatedly and frankly is not very believable.

And the FBI apparently has seen enough to be interviewing witnesses to determine if it was a hate crime, which would bring separate charges and possible death penalty.

I don't think murder 2 is far-fetched at all.

He was not found with jewelry on his person, nor was he "involved with street fighting," whatever the hell that's supposed to mean. I couldn't care less that he was found with an empty baggie that probably once had held weed.

And, his father DID start looking for him earlier than you say, but let's make believe he didn't: what the hell does that have to do with Travyon's murder???

People do not have a right to "follow" people, especially minors. I was taught that in my CCW permit class, by both an attorney and a police officer: you have a right to protect yourself from someone who will not quit following you. I myself called the police on a man who did that tome, and he was led away in handcuffs.

But not gun shot wounds. I still want to know if he was shot in the back or at a distance.

Keep reaching assholes!

Or something.

Alas.

Like the report on Zimmerman's injuries.
Facts are going to be ignored by both sides unless it supports agendas.
Everyone is over-reacting starting with Zimmerman and Trayvon.

It shows Travyon didn't beat up Zimmerman.

People seize on the slightest thing to justify this murder. It would be a failed twilight zone episode if Rod Serling had written it. One knuckle. Could have come from anywhere.

Now we leap to the conclusion that he broke Zimmerman's nose. Ridiculous. I'm sticking to what my eyes saw in the police video, and the "f'ing coon" remark I heard on the videotape. They can try all they want to make me believe I didn't see what I saw, or hear what I heard, it ain't gonna work.

That's it. No other cuts or bruising.

and how do we know when he got it?

Better put on my Kevlar vest.

I have papercut my knuckle on files in my office, badly enough to bleed and bruise.

http://www.eurweb.com/2012/05/trayvon-martin-autopsy-single-gunshot-wound-cut-on-knuckle/

The official report, prepared by the medical examiner in Volusia County, Fla., also found that the 17-year-old had one other fresh injury – a small abrasion, no more than a quarter-inch in size – on his left ring finger below the knuckle.

...at the bottom of his finger right below the knuckle...

Can't believe CBS is following the lead, these people are so f**kin sloppy

and even if he was, a small abrasion on one finger doesn't jibe with the narrative that he punched Zimmerman repeatedly in the face, braking his nose and blacking his eyes.

Why aren't there any pictures of his face w/ his supposed broken nose and swollen face? And why doesn't he have any blood on his shirt or grass stains/wetness on his back? I call BS.

Quite the twist there.

...Internets to be non neutral...they can't spread BS as fast and as far

Not one typically describes as offensive, in other words. Trayvon had a right to defend himself too!