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Sun Apr 29, 2012, 03:39 PM

(Condescending) GOP strategist (Alex Castellanos): Women Don’t Make Less Money Than Men - RS

GOP strategist: Women don’t make less money than men
By Andrew Jones - RawStory
Sunday, April 29, 2012 12:56 EDT



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Republican strategist Alex Castellanos denied Sunday morning the actual fact that women in America make less than men from work.

In a roundtable discussion on NBC’s Meet The Press, Castellanos displayed signs of disagreement when MSNBC host Rachel Maddow mentioned the statistic that women make 77 cents for every dollar as their male counterparts. Noticing Castellanos’ discomfort, Maddow pressed the strategist on his viewpoint.

“Women don’t make less than men?” she asked.


“Actually if you start looking at the numbers Rachel, um, there’s lots of reasons for that,” Castellanos replied.

“Wait wait, no, don’t tell me the reasons why, do women make less than men?” Maddow pressed.

“Um, no,” Castellanos said, before later dismissing Maddow’s current emotions.

“I wish you were as right about what you’re saying as you are passionate about it,” he said. “I really do.”


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Link: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/04/29/gop-strategist-women-dont-make-less-money-than-men/






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Reply (Condescending) GOP strategist (Alex Castellanos): Women Don’t Make Less Money Than Men - RS (Original post)
WillyT Apr 2012 OP
spanone Apr 2012 #1
GodlessBiker Apr 2012 #2
Beaverhausen Apr 2012 #3
WillyT Apr 2012 #4
Thinkingabout Apr 2012 #5
malaise Apr 2012 #6
Pisces Apr 2012 #7
seabeyond Apr 2012 #12
hfojvt Apr 2012 #8
WillyT Apr 2012 #10
hfojvt Apr 2012 #11
varelse Apr 2012 #9

Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 03:41 PM

1. castellanos is a POS.

a condescending POS

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 03:45 PM

2. Rachel is passionate about this issue and she is right about it. Castellanos *is* a POS.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 03:49 PM

3. As I yelled 'what a condescending asshole' at the TV Rachel said basically the same thing to him

god I love her- she was NOT going to let him get away with that.

I wish she would consider running for office someday!

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Response to Beaverhausen (Reply #3)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 03:56 PM

4. We Were Yelling At The TV In Unison, LOL !!!

Me, you, and my 82 year old mom... boy was she pissed.


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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 04:09 PM

5. How can it be Obama's policy when before he was born

Women made and still does less than men. If he going to try to sell his lies to me it will never happen. I guess it is Obama's policy to have sharia like laws being introduced in many states. And by men I might add. American women will rise up against "sharia laws" we will not take misguided laws aimed at us.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 04:10 PM

6. He wouldn't give her any time to respond

and hack Gregory never silenced him

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 04:13 PM

7. Condescending prick. He was using the old, your just a hysterical woman trick. Maddow made him look

like a moron.

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Response to Pisces (Reply #7)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 11:28 PM

12. or emotional, and good on maddow for calling him on it. women have got to speak up

instead of playing nice....

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 05:05 PM

8. that's not a very good transcript

Last edited Sun Apr 29, 2012, 06:32 PM - Edit history (2)

There was really lots of crosstalk.

"My passion on this issue, is actually me making factual arguments."

Mostly, I think he was right and she was wrong.

I still believe the 77 cents to the dollar is a nonsense statistic which merely compares median incomes to median incomes by various classes and ASSUMES that there is no other reason for a variation between medians than discrimination.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47078102/ns/business-careers/t/women-make-cents-each-made-men/

http://www.pay-equity.org/ (note the link to the pdf file there gets the 77 cents figure by comparing medians - just like I said. Again that just assumes that the median will factor out all other factors like different employers, different amouts of education, or experience, different amounts of lobbying or aggression (sometimes people get higher pay because they push, push, push for it), etc. It is simply NOT an apples to apples comparison.)

It is a nonsense statistic comparing pay without using a baseline of equal work.

Even beyond that, in the final analysis it is hard to compare "equal work". Take last night at my job. There were four of us working. We worked equal hours, but was our work really equal? There's no good way to compare. For example, I picked up the dance floor by myself. That's some heavy lifting there. Of the forty wood tables that went to the gym, I moved twenty of them by myself and assisted with the rest. That's 1200 pounds of lifting and hauling and setting down that I did. It's not like we divide things up equally, where each worker takes 10 tables or 7.5 squares of the dance floor.

I note that, because when I had women co-workers, they got equal pay, but they didn't do equal amounts of lifting. But that is true of some of the men too. Scott used to complain about Kate, and it is true that he could outlift her, but Kate was a way better worker than him even if she could only roll or lift one table at a time instead of two. Probably 90% of the job does not involve lifting.

But I am sure that people will respond with factual arguments rather than with I look forward to a vigorous debate. You know I've got an a$$-kicking coming. If nothing else, email this link to Rachel and have her hit me with some factual arguments. I'll fight the Rhodes scholar with one paw tied behind my back. Put 'em up. Put 'em up.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #8)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 08:13 PM

10. LOL !!! - Good Luck With That...






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Response to WillyT (Reply #10)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 11:27 PM

11. I'm not scared

as long as I don't get slapped, I am a regular William Jennings Bryan

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sun Apr 29, 2012, 07:53 PM

9. K&R

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