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Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:10 PM

White House: Russia shouldn't provide Snowden with 'propaganda platform'

White House: Russia shouldn't provide Snowden with 'propaganda platform'

Published time: July 12, 2013 17:23

The White House said Friday that Russia granting political asylum to Edward Snowden would be on par with providing the National Security Agency leaker with a “propaganda platform” to further harm the United States.

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(Carney) “Our position on Mr. Snowden and the felony charges against him and our belief that he ought to be returned to the United States to face those felony charges is as it was,”


During an address in Washington, DC Friday afternoon shortly after Mr. Snowden issued a statement of his own from Moscow, White House spokesperson Jay Carney said the administration’s position on the leaker remains that he should be extradited to the US to face charges of espionage.

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During the address hours later across the pond, Carney said the White House has communicated to Russia and a number of other countries that Snowden be sent back to the US immediately.

(Carney) “I would simply say that providing a propaganda platform for Mr. Snowden runs counter to the Russian government’s previous declarations of Russia’s neutrality, and that they have no control over his presence in the airport,”

“It’s also incompatible with Russia’s assurances that they do not want Mr. Snowden to further damage US interests. But having said that, our position also remains that we don’t believe this should — and we don’t want it to — do harm to our important relationship with Russia, and we continue to discuss with Russia our strongly held view that there is absolutely legal justification for him to be expelled, for him to be returned to the United States, to face the charges that have been brought against him for the unauthorized leaking of classified information,”

Carney added that US President Barack Obama has previously scheduled a phone conversation with Russian President Vladimir Putin for later in the day.

http://rt.com/usa/snowden-russia-white-house-025/


The White House briefing isn't up yet.




I just found a US source.


White House: Obama to personally lobby Putin on Edward Snowden
By Justin Sink - 07/12/13 01:28 PM ET

White House press secretary Jay Carney on Friday accused Russia of "providing a propaganda platform" for Edward Snowden, who is seeking asylum in the counry.

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The press secretary added that the participation of groups like Human Rights Watch should not cloud the fact that Snowden had been charged with multiple felonies.

"Those groups do important work, but Mr. Snowden is not a human rights activist or dissident," Carney said.

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"We have communicated with nations around the world that Mr. Snowden should be returned to the United States," Carney said.

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"We've been very clear about our disappointment with the way that was handled," he said.

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/310705-white-house-upset-with-how-russia-is-treating-snowden-?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


Gawd, what a train wreck

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Reply White House: Russia shouldn't provide Snowden with 'propaganda platform' (Original post)
Catherina Jul 2013 OP
atreides1 Jul 2013 #1
Catherina Jul 2013 #3
randome Jul 2013 #15
Laelth Jul 2013 #34
railsback Jul 2013 #10
MADem Jul 2013 #30
madrchsod Jul 2013 #55
MADem Jul 2013 #57
one_voice Jul 2013 #14
Blackford Jul 2013 #44
msongs Jul 2013 #2
ProSense Jul 2013 #5
Catherina Jul 2013 #12
Progressive dog Jul 2013 #16
nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #20
usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #33
HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #4
allin99 Jul 2013 #6
nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #7
Catherina Jul 2013 #8
nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #9
Catherina Jul 2013 #19
nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #24
Autumn Jul 2013 #40
nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #43
Savannahmann Jul 2013 #25
woo me with science Jul 2013 #11
nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #18
Hydra Jul 2013 #22
ProSense Jul 2013 #13
Progressive dog Jul 2013 #17
Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #21
Hydra Jul 2013 #26
allin99 Jul 2013 #39
Hydra Jul 2013 #56
Catherina Jul 2013 #36
Autumn Jul 2013 #23
cali Jul 2013 #27
whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #28
usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #29
DJ13 Jul 2013 #31
Octafish Jul 2013 #35
Enrique Jul 2013 #50
Catherina Jul 2013 #32
bvar22 Jul 2013 #37
Catherina Jul 2013 #38
allin99 Jul 2013 #41
nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #45
allin99 Jul 2013 #48
arely staircase Jul 2013 #42
allin99 Jul 2013 #46
polichick Jul 2013 #47
Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #49
whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #51
allin99 Jul 2013 #53
allin99 Jul 2013 #52
Savannahmann Jul 2013 #59
allin99 Jul 2013 #60
madrchsod Jul 2013 #54
Rex Jul 2013 #58

Response to Catherina (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:13 PM

1. Russia to White House

Go Cheney yourselves...

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Response to atreides1 (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:18 PM

3. They already made it clear: "Russia cannot extradite Snowden"

The US is going to have to start working on the quaint notion that other nations, and people in other nations too, have rights. And that there are international rights we need to catch up on too, things like not interfering with the presidential planes of other heads of state.

We are not the be-all, end-all of this world.


Russia cannot extradite Snowden - deputy Nikonov
Вячеслав Никонов



State Duma deputy Vyacheslav Nikonov

Photo: RIA Novosti

Russia has no right to extradite former CIA officer Edward Snowden, State Duma deputy Vyacheslav Nikonov said. He came to the Moscow Sheremetyevo Airport to meet with Snowden.



"Russia has no right to extradite him by international law. He is under protection of Article 14 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which says any person who asks for political asylum cannot be extradited," he stressed.

Voice of Russia, Interfax

http://english.ruvr.ru/news/2013_07_12/Russia-cannot-extradite-Snowden-deputy-Nikonov-1051/

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Response to Catherina (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:48 PM

15. But they can expel him.


You should never stop having childhood dreams.

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Response to Catherina (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:06 PM

34. Evidently, President Obama is scheduled to speak to Putin by phone later today.

Wouldn't that be an interesting phone call to overhear. Wonder how much pressure the President intends to apply. I wonder if Syria will be on the table, as in Obama promises to stay out of Syria if Putin delivers Snowden.



Interesting times.

-Laelth

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Response to atreides1 (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:37 PM

10. Russia to Gays

 

Go Cheney yourselves..

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Response to railsback (Reply #10)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:01 PM

30. Shhhhh.....that's an "inconvenient truth" doncha know!!

The Russians are all for Truth, Justice and the "Human Rights" Way, you see!!

(Let me whip this out in case someone doesn't take my point )

Except, apparently, that the "human rights" of a guy who steals stuff and gives it to foreign governments trumps the "human rights" of same sex couples to live freely and without fear, abuse and imprisonment.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain....the Great And Powerful Oz has Pootie-pooted!!!

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Response to MADem (Reply #30)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 04:46 PM

55. do`t forget pussy riot..

one of the group did`t get away and she`s doing russian hard time for criticizing putin.

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Response to madrchsod (Reply #55)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 04:49 PM

57. Putin is loving being a little puppet master, lately.

The worm will turn, though--it always does.

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Response to atreides1 (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:45 PM

14. I know fuckin' hilarious...

What is it that Russia says to gay people? How funny is that? How many does that get?

Russia's number1!! Russia's number1!!! Stick it to the USA!! Goooooooooooooooooooo Russia!!!

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Response to one_voice (Reply #14)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:24 PM

44. Russia doesn't tell gays "Go Cheney Yourself"

 

They tell gays, "You're going to Gitmo".

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Response to Catherina (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:15 PM

2. it isn't russia that goes around the planet murdering innocent people using drones nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:26 PM

5. So

"it isn't russia that goes around the planet murdering innocent people using drones"

...based on your distortion, Russia is morally superior to the U.S., right?

Russia: Worst Human Rights Climate in Post-Soviet Era

Unprecedented Crackdown on Civil Society

(Moscow) – The Russian government has unleashed a crackdown on civil society in the year since Vladimir Putin’s return to the presidency that is unprecedented in the country’s post-Soviet history.

The 78-page report, “Laws of Attrition: Crackdown on Russia’s Civil Society after Putin’s Return to the Presidency,”describes some of the changes since Putin returned to the presidency in May 2012. The authorities have introduced a series of restrictive laws, begun a nationwide campaign of invasive inspections of nongovernmental organizations, harassed, intimidated, and in a number of cases imprisonedpolitical activists, and sought to cast government critics as clandestine enemies. The report analyzes the new laws, including the so-called “foreign agents” law, the treason law, and the assembly law, and documents how they have been used.

“The new laws and government harassment are pushing civil society activists to the margins of the law,” said Hugh Williamson, Europe and Central Asia director at Human Rights Watch. “The government crackdown is hurting Russian society and harming Russia’s international standing.”

http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/04/24/russia-worst-human-rights-climate-post-soviet-era

Russia Says It Will Arrest Openly Gay Tourists
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023226296

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Response to msongs (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:43 PM

12. The Whitehouse is going nowhere with this

Between Russia and China, we're losing with our threats that their actions "harm relations with Washington". That's not working with Latin America either.

Someone in the White House needs to look at a map.

From the Economist last week:



And



Those are some of the kinder cartoons.

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Response to Catherina (Reply #12)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:48 PM

16. They're coming after the US with cartoons

so we should let Snowden go--see we owe China money.
Those are some of the kinder cartoons.

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Response to Catherina (Reply #12)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:53 PM

20. Ooh some of the less kind

Have been epic

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Response to msongs (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:04 PM

33. I believe we are the only country on earth with that distinction

 

The real question is, when, not if, others join the club?

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Response to Catherina (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:22 PM

4. HardTimes99: US shouldn't snoop on the people of the world. - nt

 

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Response to Catherina (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:26 PM

6. US to Russia: You are too stoopid to make your own decisions...

i wonder if that will change Putin's mind. My guess is it will not.

Maybe putin will call them a bunch of squealing pigs again. lol.

FU Putin, but also FU U.S.

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Response to Catherina (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:28 PM

7. Ohhh poor babies...

The mean man is letting the other kid show my bullying.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #7)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:35 PM

8. This is really bad. You've lived in Mexico. I'm sure you keep up with the Spanish press

We are looking absolutely ridiculous. In the French press too. Let's not even talk about the reaction on twitter because that's even harsher.

Edward Snowden did not harm the US. We harmed ourselves by harming others. How about a little grace and a few apologies? That would go a lot further than this undignified foot-stomping, obfuscations and prevarications.

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Response to Catherina (Reply #8)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:37 PM

9. Oh the papers have been all kinds of fun reads

Outside the US.

It is shnefraude (however you spell it) in ways people here can't get

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #9)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:52 PM

19. schadenfreude is a good word for it

It's the old "Be nice to people on your way up because you're going to meet the same people on your way down".

I would like my country to try being nice for a change because nobody thinks what we're doing is very funny.

We can point our fingers at Bush all we want but from an international perspective, especially the Latin American one, nothing has change, and this just confirms it. What happened with President Morales' plane was so brazen that Latin America will never forget it.

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Response to Catherina (Reply #19)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:54 PM

24. For a generation or so

The bric will become insular as far as the us is concerned

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #9)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:21 PM

40. Hey nadin we have a new group, just for the news outside of the US

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Response to Autumn (Reply #40)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:23 PM

43. Just subscribed

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Response to Catherina (Reply #8)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:55 PM

25. Hstory books will be written about this time.

Tomes have been written about the arrogance of the Germans in 1914 who were furious with Great Britain for going to war just because the Germans invaded Belgium. The German Foreign Minister actually could not believe, and stated that he could not believe that Britain was going to war. "Over a word Neutrality." Belgium Neutrality was guaranteed by Britain, France, Germany, and Russia. "Britain is going to war over a scrap of paper." The scrap of paper was a treaty, obliging all four signatories to respect and defend Belgium Neutrality.

That arrogance has gone down in history. A people determined to make war, and would justify any violation of international law to get what they wanted. The cost was not the question, any cost was worth it. The violations of international law would be ignored so long as they won.

America is rapidly becoming the Germans of 1914. Demanding our allies stand with us as we ignore international law. Insisting that international law does not apply, we are in a fight for our lives. So many parallels to history, so much sorrow in our future. The world united to stamp German Arrogance into the ground in the Great War, the war to end all wars.

The way we keep offending the world, I would have to assume that nobody alive today has read any books on how the 1st World War started. They should have, because we are doing everything possible to repeat those mistakes.

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Response to Catherina (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:42 PM

11. So the government accuses the *whistleblower* of propaganda.


Oh, that's rich. That's some formidable DoubleSpeak.

War is Peace.
Freedom is Slavery.
Ignorance is Strength.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #11)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:51 PM

18. It's been through the Orwell looking glass

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #11)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:53 PM

22. As Carney stands on his own propaganda platform no less

You can't make this stuff up.

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Response to Catherina (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:45 PM

13. Snowden is

just as screwed now as before his PR event.

Russia says Snowden could stay if he stops harming US
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023232089

Edward Snowden caught in asylum catch-22
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023233134

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Response to Catherina (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:50 PM

17. Krushev pounded his shoe while threatening

to bury us. This stuff is a joke.

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Response to Catherina (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:53 PM

21. Easy solution for the White House. Call off the dogs and return Snowden's passport.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #21)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:55 PM

26. If we were dealing with a sane Gov't, that would have happened already

The whole %^*$up with Morales showed us that they are running a few crackers short of a box.

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Response to Hydra (Reply #26)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:20 PM

39. But notice how they got away with not having to...

answer for it or apologize.

The U.S. can do whatever it wants and get away with it, so why not ground his plane. Well, almost do anything and get away with it, we'll see what happens with fisa, et al

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Response to allin99 (Reply #39)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 04:47 PM

56. Exactly

This was said during the Bush Admin:

The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore." He continued "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors ... and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/magazine/17BUSH.html?_r=3&ex=1255665600&en=890a96189e162076&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&

The problem here is...we don't seem to have moved out of that Era.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #21)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:12 PM

36. At this point, it's the only option left to retain some dignity

Here are the titles in Latin America right now "SNOWDEN Y LA DESESPERACIÓN NORTEAMERICANA POR SU CAPTURA"

Snowden and the desperation of the US to capture him. Desperation

Radio Int. Nacional ‏@IntNacionalFM 16m

SNOWDEN Y LA DESESPERACIÓN NORTEAMERICANA POR SU CAPTURA Programa emitido por RadioNacional Mendoza II, los... http://fb.me/30gpxqrGE

https://twitter.com/IntNacionalFM/status/355761070893318144


And that's from friendly Argentina.

Seething resentment, anger and ridicule right now.

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Response to Catherina (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:53 PM

23. Alrighty then. Guess that's settled.

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Response to Catherina (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:56 PM

27. what garbage.

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Response to Catherina (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:58 PM

28. They hate us for our freedoms

They being the US government.

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Response to Catherina (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:01 PM

29. Even the POTUS is getting their hands dirty over a single WHISTLEBLOWER

 

A good indication of the legitimacy of the info Snowden has released.

I wish the POTUS would put as much attention to obeying the U.S. constitution!

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Response to Catherina (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:04 PM

31. "Propaganda is our job, not his"

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Response to DJ13 (Reply #31)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:11 PM

35. Ten-Hut!

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Response to DJ13 (Reply #31)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:30 PM

50. yep, he doesn't have the proper license

Snowden's propaganda platform is not up to code.

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Response to Catherina (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:04 PM

32. UN High Commissioner for Human Rights calls for respect for Snowden's right to seek asylum

Just posted that story here: UN High Commissioner for Human Rights calls for respect for Snowden's right to seek asylum


I guess we won't be paying our UN dues again. How dare they!

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Response to Catherina (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:16 PM

37. The Arrogance and "US Exceptionalism" is absolutely STUNNING.

I enjoyed having an intelligent, well spoken Spokesperson and Figure Head for the US, and gave the early Obama Administration very HIGH marks for Foreign Policy and International Representation. For a while, I was PROUD of our country.

With the extended Drone Assassinations and nonchalant killings of civilians in sovereign nations,
and now THIS, I am cringing with the same embarrassment I felt during the Bush Administration.
This will NOT end well.

The ONLY option open to the US at THIS point is to STFU,
stop making these ridiculous demands of The WORLD,
quietly sneak away after dark,
NEVER publicly mention Snowden ever again,
and issue a Public Apology to the World for the excesses of our International and Domestic SPYING programs,
and make some BullShit Promise about Reining In these Unconstitutional, anti-democratic, Out of Control "Secret" Agencies,
...and WALK AWAY, quickly and quietly.



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Response to bvar22 (Reply #37)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:18 PM

38. I see no other option. And the US press isn't doing us any favors by filtering so much out now n/t

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Response to Catherina (Reply #38)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:23 PM

41. What do you mean?

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Response to allin99 (Reply #41)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:26 PM

45. The us press is protecting you

From global reactions. Alliances are getting forged right now.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #37)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:27 PM

48. just like the argentinians were saying...desperate.

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Response to Catherina (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:23 PM

42. Not looking good for Snowden nt

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Response to Catherina (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:26 PM

46. I like this line:....

Carney added that President Obama and administration officials had stressed their frustration to Chinese leaders over Hong Kong officials allowing Snowden to leave for Moscow during trade talks this week

how frustrating when people don't do what the U.S. tells them to do.

Would be funny if it weren't so disgusting.

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Response to Catherina (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:27 PM

47. Really? He went there? Perhaps Carney mistakenly...

read out his job description.

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Response to Catherina (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:28 PM

49. Train wreck, indeed.

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Response to Catherina (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:31 PM

51. They're in damage control mode

They just wanna shut this guy up as soon as possible, and let their handmaidens in the media take the message from there.

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Response to whatchamacallit (Reply #51)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:51 PM

53. Yup. The "propoganda" angle, how long do you think....

it will take for the NY times to pick that up.

about as fast as it took for them to write an article calling snowden a hacker after obama called him a hacker? lol.

never been so dissapointed in our media. Do we even have *1* decent outlet?

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Response to Catherina (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:45 PM

52. The more stupid they act the less Putin is gonna care to...

send snowden back. And while Putin has nothing to gain, he has absolutely nothing to lose. ZERO.

Putin was not impressed about their treatment toward bolivia and has told the u.s. at every turn they're not extraditing snowden. I wanna see Obama himself pull off getting putin to change his mind. Nothing i've seen in the last 4 years makes me believe he can do it. It's hard to take him seriously after a while. "29 year old hacker", oh please stop.

The U.S. canNOT hurt russia in any way shape or form, and at times we need them more than they need us. If Obama calls Putin and pleads for Snowden and doesn't get him, that's a failure.

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Response to allin99 (Reply #52)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 05:50 PM

59. Give it another week, and we'll probably trade Alaska for Snowden.

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Response to Savannahmann (Reply #59)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 06:01 PM

60. lmao!

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Response to Catherina (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 04:42 PM

54. russia is nice place for snowden

i`m sure he`ll enjoy his freedom in the putin`s russia.

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Response to Catherina (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 04:49 PM

58. Funny thing about being a completely autonomous country...

you can tell everyone else to fuck off! Just like Russia is doing now to the United States.

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