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Fri Jul 12, 2013, 11:14 AM

Howard Dean: Hillary Clinton Will FACE PRIMARY RIVAL

Howard Dean predicted Friday that Hillary Clinton won’t have a clear path to the Democratic nomination in 2016 if she decides to run, suggesting a primary challenger from the “Barack Obama” generation will emerge.


“There will be a next generation candidate; she’s not going to get a pass in the election. I’m pretty sure Martin O’Malley will run, who knows if Andrew Cuomo will. There’s a long list of people who are interested in running,” Dean said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.”



Responding to a new poll that shows Clinton beating Republican challengers in 2016 and Vice President Joe Biden not faring as well, the former Vermont governor and one-time presidential candidate said he believes Clinton is “no question” the better candidate of the two.


“I think Hillary’s going to win the nomination,” Dean said. “I think she’s going to win the presidency if she runs. But the one caveat is it’s not often in America that we go back a generation. She’s of my generation, not of the new, upcoming, younger generation, out of the Barack Obama generation. So I think that’s the only weakness that she’s really got.”




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http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/hillary-clinton-2016-election-primary-howard-dean-94077.html?hp=r2



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Reply Howard Dean: Hillary Clinton Will FACE PRIMARY RIVAL (Original post)
Segami Jul 2013 OP
Blackford Jul 2013 #1
cali Jul 2013 #10
snappyturtle Jul 2013 #26
awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #33
geek tragedy Jul 2013 #2
BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #3
Kolesar Jul 2013 #21
BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #29
DCBob Jul 2013 #4
KamaAina Jul 2013 #14
polichick Jul 2013 #5
allin99 Jul 2013 #6
UTUSN Jul 2013 #7
Whisp Jul 2013 #28
pscot Jul 2013 #8
Faux pas Jul 2013 #32
AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #9
HappyMe Jul 2013 #17
UTUSN Jul 2013 #24
byeya Jul 2013 #11
nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #12
Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2013 #13
Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #15
Segami Jul 2013 #20
Capt. Obvious Jul 2013 #16
Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #18
The Link Jul 2013 #19
Beacool Jul 2013 #22
HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #23
hfojvt Jul 2013 #25
cpwm17 Jul 2013 #27
byeya Jul 2013 #30
fredamae Jul 2013 #31
byeya Jul 2013 #35
Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #34
donco Jul 2013 #36
Enthusiast Jul 2013 #37

Response to Segami (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 11:15 AM

1. Of course she will face MANY primary opponents.

 

Doesn't alter my position in full support of her even before she announces. Heck, I won't jump on anybody else's ship unless she announces there is no way she'll run.

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Response to Blackford (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 11:43 AM

10. There is no way I could ever support her in the primaries.

It may sound hackneyed but she's a corporate lackey. And the evidence for that is enormous and irrefutable.

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Response to cali (Reply #10)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:38 PM

26. +1 nt

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Response to cali (Reply #10)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 01:34 PM

33. Corporate lackeys seem to be our only choice anymore. nt

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 11:16 AM

2. Howard Dean is stating the obvious.

1) Of course she's going to have competition. It would be a severely unhealthy thing if no one else ran in the primary. (note to Dr. Dean: Andrew Cuomo is one of her vassals, and would never challenge her)

2) She's going to win if she runs.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 11:19 AM

3. From Carter to Reagan was going back a generation

and that's just the age issue. Hillary actually would represent major progress. Being the first woman President takes the starch out of the generational point completely.

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:20 PM

21. Yes, that would add some fascination to the race

Having a woman on the ballot might make some people pay attention and participate in the voting.

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #21)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:44 PM

29. Many people here are Clintonned-out

to the point where they forget what kind of an impact she would and could make. I know I have that problem sometimes. But Hillary has really paid her dues; even those who oppose her, if they're fair-minded, would have to grant her that. I doubt I'll see another person more deserving of being the first woman President in my lifetime.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 11:20 AM

4. Yes, but not just generational but ideological.

Many want a more progressive candidate... perhaps Sherrod Brown or someone similar.

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Response to DCBob (Reply #4)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:11 PM

14. Thank you.

I'd expect better from Howard than generational warfare.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 11:23 AM

5. Same ol' centrist (meaning Republican light) corporate crap - yay Dems!

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 11:40 AM

6. young people like new and shiny and not much...

else really matters. they take the word and the non word of whoever is the most exciting, little else from what i've noticed.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 11:41 AM

7. Might as well jump into the infighting now: It's NOT "the only weakness" she's got.

Anybody contemplating bombs here, my context is support (besides for all Dem nominees, after primaries, of whatever wing) of the CLINTONs since '92 when Bill was unknown to me in an early debate. As for the different "scandals" (the FAKE impeachment, all the different 'gates, including Hillary's), I still believe that most of them were 85% Rethug dirty warfare, after they were finally over, my nagging gripe solidified into this: That we expended most of our energy in defending the CLINTONs instead of their zeroing in on OUR political agenda items.

That said, when '08 came along, I was strongest of strong for her, all the way through April or May, still thinking that OBAMA was a cheeky upstart. But then I became convinced that she ran an entitled, lousy campaign: Totally inside-the-box, wasting millions on insider p.r. dudes, thoroughly outflanked by the OBAMA campaign.

Then I gloried in the supposed OBAMA-CLINTON alliance and for most of the first four years bought into the meme about what a wonderful job she was doing as SoS. But what exactly did she accomplish beyond flying around the globe having tea and hugs?!1 What negotiations, what treaties, what what. And I totally believe the Benghazi thing is another wingnut-trumped-up-nothing, but her bottom line was being caught off guard, not so much by the events themselves but by the wingnut onslaught. So much for her being ready for the 3 A.M. call.

So. (I've forgotten the thread subject, have had interruptions.) Oh. I saw her at a rally in '08 and she was tired back then. So all this history adds up to unoriginal strategy, mismanagement, and a HUGH!1 target for the Wingnuts. So I'll be looking around A LOT in the primaries, but, of course, if she is the nominee I'm THERE.

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Response to UTUSN (Reply #7)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:43 PM

28. + Being a good manager is kind of important for a President

 

and she proved during '08 she wasn't (or was listening to her fellas instead of using her own head which is just as bad).

This among many of her other shortcomings should be enough to remove her from the race.

Plus, there will be word (hopefully if it isn't swept under the rug) on the investigation of the sex crime cover up at the State Dept when she was boss. This alone could take her out of the race, if the media doesn't cower under Bill's threats).

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 11:42 AM

8. Another Clinton? Really?

I'm still hoping for change.

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Response to pscot (Reply #8)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 01:29 PM

32. +1

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 11:43 AM

9. Let the bipartisan ageism/sexism commence. nt

 

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Response to AllINeedIsCoffee (Reply #9)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:15 PM

17. So I'm supposed to support Hillary

in a primary just because she and I have the same plumbing?

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Response to AllINeedIsCoffee (Reply #9)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:24 PM

24. I'll cop to the "ageism" against my own age, but not to the other things. n/t

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 11:43 AM

11. Jeez I hope she doesn't run. I would never vote for her.

 

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 11:49 AM

12. Well Dr. dean I will vote my conscience

Or not at the Presidential level. I will not vote for a republican light

That is what she is...

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:10 PM

13. I sure as heck HOPE there will be another choice -

Clinton = more of the same. "More of the same" is NOT what our country needs right now. We have some spectacular challenges that MUST be addressed -- the attempts to dismantle the social safety net, women's rights, & Labor, climate change, financial regulation, the evisceration of the middle class and wages -- and I simply do not trust her to do what is right on so many of those issues.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:14 PM

15. Is this the same Hillary that vociferously supported Bush's war and Obama's drones?

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #15)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:18 PM

20. Yup! The same one who dodged sniper fire.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:14 PM

16. 80-20 Howard

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:17 PM

18. I don't care what generation they are from - but it would be nice to have a progressive or a liberal

making a credible challenge in the race - How many times have we seen that in the past several decades?

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:18 PM

19. What's the Barack Obama generation?

 

They are in the same generation.

And have the same politics. Centrists. Like Dean.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:21 PM

22. Who said that she's not going to have any challengers?

I still think that 2016 will not be like 2008 and that if she runs, she wins. The question is whether she wants to go through that ordeal again.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:21 PM

23. Her generation isn't her only weakness, imho. There's the not-small matter of the

 

1,000,000+ Iraqi ghosts who beg to be remembered. Surprised Dean gives her a pass on Iraq of all things. Was Dean's anti-war stance in the 2004 primary mere posturing? Put another way, how will Hillary put lipstick on the Iraq AUMF pig? That's what did her in in 2008, imho.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:36 PM

25. Andrew Cuomo would be even more odious than Hillary

right now, Mark Dayton is the only guy I like, and I don't know ALL that much about him.

Never heard of Martin O'Malley. Is he the guy who was in Mr. Mom and did the Pizza Hut commercial? Or was he the security chief on Deep Space Nine?

If Hillary runs though, I am not sure she will face a significant challenger. I am not even sure she could. Maybe Dayton would have some chance because of Minnesota's proximity to Iowa, and he might have some personal cash to use in a campaign.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:43 PM

27. I could never vote for her in any election

Her values are completely different than mine. She is far to the right of me. She is what we need much less of in government.

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Response to cpwm17 (Reply #27)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:54 PM

30. + +

 

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 12:55 PM

31. Whether I hear of Hillary Or Bill

I cannot forget NAFTA/CAFTA/FCC De-Regulation, Repeal of Glass-Steagall, DOMA, Kicking folks off Public Programs (welfare reform) and much more...and what happened to average Americans as a consequence.
Unless and until she can demonstrate a Clear and Irrefutable Difference between her and Bill's policies/Third Way/New Dem Coalition/21st Century Dems (GOP Lite bs)--I cannot in good conscience vote to do That to our country again.
Wake up! Just because there's a "D" there doesn't necessarily mean it passes the "smell test"--have We learned Nothing by not vetting our Own first?
Not just "any ol dem" will do--not anymore.

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Response to fredamae (Reply #31)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 01:43 PM

35. You said it and you said it well!

 

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 01:36 PM

34. I would hope she has challengers in primary

 

because of course we need to see what other ideas can be brought forward, and it will be good for her to build up strong arguments for what her positions are so she is prepared to fight Republican in general election should she become the Dem nominee.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:31 PM

36. Of course she will

and i hope one of the challengers has the name of Howard Dean.

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Response to Segami (Original post)

Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:49 AM

37. I am clear done with Hillary and Bill........nt

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