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Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:32 PM

But was Michael Hastings on the White House's secret kill list?

I guess we'll never know, because it's a secret kill list.

Sorry, stupid question. Sometimes I forget it's America in 2013.

(Yes, I agree, the Republicans are worse.)

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Reply But was Michael Hastings on the White House's secret kill list? (Original post)
MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 OP
Doctor_J Jun 2013 #1
rufus dog Jun 2013 #2
MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #3
dflprincess Jun 2013 #5
okaawhatever Jun 2013 #31
cali Jun 2013 #36
sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #42
okaawhatever Jun 2013 #47
sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #48
Poll_Blind Jun 2013 #4
MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #7
dflprincess Jun 2013 #6
rufus dog Jun 2013 #8
dflprincess Jun 2013 #18
one_voice Jun 2013 #21
MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #9
rufus dog Jun 2013 #12
dflprincess Jun 2013 #15
MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #17
Poll_Blind Jun 2013 #10
MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #11
Control-Z Jun 2013 #13
MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #14
Control-Z Jun 2013 #19
MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #22
msanthrope Jun 2013 #28
MineralMan Jun 2013 #39
msanthrope Jun 2013 #43
MineralMan Jun 2013 #44
JaneyVee Jun 2013 #16
Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #20
Fumesucker Jun 2013 #23
Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #24
Fumesucker Jun 2013 #25
Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #27
whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #33
Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #37
msanthrope Jun 2013 #35
geek tragedy Jun 2013 #40
Whisp Jun 2013 #26
Lint Head Jun 2013 #29
geek tragedy Jun 2013 #41
Lint Head Jun 2013 #45
geek tragedy Jun 2013 #46
Lint Head Jun 2013 #49
JI7 Jun 2013 #30
sigmasix Jun 2013 #32
treestar Jun 2013 #34
MineralMan Jun 2013 #38

Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:40 PM

1. Well of course it's secret

A PUBLIC kill list would probably incite unrest among the hoi polloi. Maybe not in the BOG though.

I too agree that the Repukes are worse. My problem is that the DC Dems are trying to become MORE like them instead of less.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:40 PM

2. and why the fuck would he be on the list

enlighten me

And think, throwing shit for the sake of throwing shit is a habit of those less evolved.

and for any jurors who have to review this post. It is a friggen callout, because this OP does not rise above shit throwing.

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Response to rufus dog (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:43 PM

3. I don't know.

The criteria are secret, although we're told that they're very specific and strict.

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Response to rufus dog (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:48 PM

5. Are you familiar with Hastings' reporting?

He didn't make many friends in the MIC.

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Response to rufus dog (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:01 AM

31. Absolute crap post. Agreed. It's not discourse it's complete and utter paranoia. This is DU not Alex

Jones. Manny is unhappy because he doesn't have twenty different anti-Obama articles to post today so they're just making up their own stuff. Sad.

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Response to okaawhatever (Reply #31)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 08:57 AM

36. OK, you're not familiar with Manny's style (which drives me crazy half the time, but anyhoo....)

Manny is making a point using something perceived as absurd. the point he is making is the grotesqueness of having a "secret kill list".

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Response to okaawhatever (Reply #31)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:35 PM

42. Lots of crap posts on DU lately. Have you objected to all of them? Just asking, you may have

I don't read everything here.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #42)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 02:00 PM

47. No. Just finally got pushed over the edge. I've made comments that opposed certain posts but

my responses were more traditional.

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Response to okaawhatever (Reply #47)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 02:33 PM

48. Can't let idiots get to you. I don't, been on online political forums for too long to

be bothered too much by the usual small contingency of morons present on all of them. Nothing ever changes, same tactics 'if I can't defend a position or my favorite politician, go on the attack'. I'd love to see some new tactics so it wouldn't be so yawn inducing. But, small minds are not known for their deep thinking.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:48 PM

4. DoD: “Hammer this fact home . . . leaking is tantamount to aiding the enemies of the United States”

So, interestingly, he actually could have been on a secret kill list for his work. I'm not saying he was, mind you. I'm saying he could have been. I guess it all depends on who's drawing up the kill list that week.

Quote in subject per this DU OP.

PB

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Response to Poll_Blind (Reply #4)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:53 PM

7. Fabulous.

Terrifying.

Thanks.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:49 PM

6. Really, Manny - little blue links?

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Response to dflprincess (Reply #6)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:54 PM

8. so you ask me

"Are you familiar with Hastings' reporting?

and then ask for a link?

Do you want a link to a porn site? Because this is a masturbatory bullshit thread!

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Response to rufus dog (Reply #8)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:03 PM

18. Ummm, my comment about the color of the link to the New York Times article

was directed to Manny. It was in a different post from the one where I asked you whether or not you had read the article.


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Response to rufus dog (Reply #8)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:11 PM

21. The 'little blue links'....

comment was wink wink call out of another poster here.

It's turned into high school...

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Response to dflprincess (Reply #6)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:54 PM

9. Relax.

It's all good.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #9)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:57 PM

12. If you like bullshit porn it is great

But then again I expect you knew you were producing bullshit porn.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #9)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:01 PM

15. I was teasing Manny

I hope you didn't take it the wrong way.

(BTW - I did follow the "blue link" and read the article.)

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Response to dflprincess (Reply #15)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:02 PM

17. Oh, of course.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:54 PM

10. Reminds me of this Tom the Dancing Bug:



PB

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Response to Poll_Blind (Reply #10)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:57 PM

11. The first time I read that, it was funny as hell.

Now it's a little less funny.

But still funny, so thanks!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:57 PM

13. I'm trying to think of a

respectable way to tell you what I think of you, Manny. But I've got nothing that won't get me kicked off the board.

There is no going "too far" for you, is there?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #14)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:05 PM

19. WTF??

No, you ignorant, obnoxious man. Gerri Santoro is my mother.

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Response to Control-Z (Reply #19)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:14 PM

22. I'm so, so sorry.

But know that your mother has saved the lives of many others. She is an icon that reminds us all of why we fight for what we fight for.

Peace.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #14)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:45 AM

28. Dear sweet Christ...WTF was that???? nt

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #28)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:27 PM

39. What that was was beyond stupid.

I hope the jury decision was unanimous.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #39)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:52 PM

43. 4-2, which means two DUers are off their rockers. nt

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #43)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:53 PM

44. Hmph! nt

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:01 PM

16. OMG what is going on around here? We are all Glenn Beck now?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:06 PM

20. Post like this really make this place look unhinged

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #20)

Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:16 PM

23. Only to n00bs and the completely literal minded

Those of us familiar with DU and with the concept of nuance understand that not everything said here is completely serious.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #23)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:34 AM

24. Yes, but nuance or not

Michael Hastings just died in a tragic and fiery car wreck....conspiracy theorists are going nuts over his death.

This OP is very inappropriate IMO.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #24)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:42 AM

25. That's one of the problems with things like secret kill lists, they feed a conspiratorial worldview

How could it be otherwise?

"I have in my hand a list of 205 names."



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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #25)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:45 AM

27. I have a big problem with the secret kill list too

always have, but trying to make the point this way is poor form....especially so soon after Hastings' death.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #24)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 03:21 AM

33. Why so desperate?

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Response to whatchamacallit (Reply #33)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:20 PM

37. What do you mean?

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #20)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 08:45 AM

35. Check out post #14 for some really unhinged shit. nt

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #20)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:31 PM

40. No, it's unhinged people who believe stuff like this that make DU look unhinged. nt

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:42 AM

26. yeh, stupid

 

question

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:55 AM

29. No. It's not like the government ever did anything like kill innocent civilians or give LSD to a

secret agent or inject African American men with syphilis or trade missiles to Iran for hostages or lie about the number of enemy killed in battle or contaminate the atmosphere with radiation or lie about WMD or torture anyone. It's not like a Four Star General lost his position or anything. Right? You need to totally trust that there is no one in the military or formerly in the military that would ever subversively do anything like that. Things like a decorated veteran blowing up a federal building full of innocent people? You got to be kidding.

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Response to Lint Head (Reply #29)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:32 PM

41. Do you suspect President Obama is guilty of having Hastings murdered? nt

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #41)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:04 PM

45. This has nothing to do with President Obama. But it 'could' or 'could not' have something to do

with the military or rogue military elements. Revenge for McChrystal is not out of the question. Considering we live in a free country with free speech it is actually OK to ask that question. And questions are all I or anyone else have until the results of a a postmortem.

I imagine the best scenario, if there is a best, is that it was just speeding resulting in an accident. Odds say it was just an accident. But considering the victim and circumstance, there is a 'very small' chance it was not. We even have the freedom in this country to speculate about things that have very small chances of happening. Considering human nature when it comes to revenge, it is not without speculation.
http://www.businessinsider.com/michael-hastings-on-stanley-mcchrystal-2013-6

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Response to Lint Head (Reply #45)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:15 PM

46. Hastings himself noted that the poweful people he pissed off don't

get revenge via trying to kill people, they do it by trying to discredit people, bullying, whisper campaigns, etc.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #46)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 07:50 PM

49. He's dead so we can do nothing but speculate. Bullying and whispering campaigns can lead to

someone listening and taking matters into their own hands. Maybe he was just speeding down a residential street. Hit a tree and exploded. Or maybe his accelerator got stuck 'somehow'. Accelerators getting stuck has happened before. It's ironic to have some one who is so careful in a war zone yet doesn't take care on a two way street in a metropolitan area. Whatever, I predict they will say he was driving too fast or something that is common to people exploding in wrecked cars.

I do not believe he was on a "kill list".

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:57 AM

30. is this the same list Breitbart and the gun nuts who died were on

the youtube gun nut guy and Chris Kyle.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 02:39 AM

32. maybe it was manny's list?

someone as plugged in as manny must have friends in high places- how hard would it be? No one really believes that criminal wealthy organizations wouldnt use innocent-seeming, random message-board-posters like manny to carry-out thier crimes. Does Manny have a character hit list supplied by Alex Jones? Did Manny use it to help America's enemies in their attacks on our national cohesion?

Given the OP, I believe this to be an appropriate response within the bounds of DU rules.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 06:45 AM

34. Elizabeth Warren will own that list in 2017 right?

It will have to go away immediately.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:24 PM

38. Given all the journalists, real and wannabes, who

post negative stories about the Obama administration, that would be a long list, indeed, wouldn't it? That, alone, makes me think his death was an accident, caused by excessive speed while driving.

The idea that the administration is going around killing journalists who post negative stories is just too far-fetched to have any credibility, it seems to me.

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