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Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:33 PM

To DU Catholics: Congrats on your new Pope.

As I write this we don't yet know who the new pope is. Whoever it is, I hope that he lives up to whatever hopes you have for him.

I am not Catholic, and I am not religious. But I would like to express my good wishes to you on this big day. Congratulations.

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Reply To DU Catholics: Congrats on your new Pope. (Original post)
Skinner Mar 2013 OP
Kingofalldems Mar 2013 #1
Taverner Mar 2013 #2
sarisataka Mar 2013 #3
Hosnon Mar 2013 #4
gateley Mar 2013 #144
Paulie Mar 2013 #5
Kelvin Mace Mar 2013 #6
pintobean Mar 2013 #17
Kelvin Mace Mar 2013 #20
cleanhippie Mar 2013 #43
kardonb Mar 2013 #97
MADem Mar 2013 #56
Beartracks Mar 2013 #116
MADem Mar 2013 #125
cleanhippie Mar 2013 #124
Kelvin Mace Mar 2013 #168
MADem Mar 2013 #172
Kelvin Mace Mar 2013 #179
just1voice Mar 2013 #167
11 Bravo Mar 2013 #71
pintobean Mar 2013 #73
etherealtruth Mar 2013 #130
pintobean Mar 2013 #134
Kelvin Mace Mar 2013 #182
pintobean Mar 2013 #184
whathehell Mar 2013 #159
Kelvin Mace Mar 2013 #180
amuse bouche Mar 2013 #85
pintobean Mar 2013 #98
amuse bouche Mar 2013 #101
pintobean Mar 2013 #109
Beartracks Mar 2013 #119
Kelvin Mace Mar 2013 #183
LanternWaste Mar 2013 #165
840high Mar 2013 #52
hrmjustin Mar 2013 #103
Whisp Mar 2013 #105
hrmjustin Mar 2013 #110
Camballo Mar 2013 #170
Whisp Mar 2013 #171
Kelvin Mace Mar 2013 #169
hrmjustin Mar 2013 #173
Kelvin Mace Mar 2013 #175
hrmjustin Mar 2013 #176
Kelvin Mace Mar 2013 #177
hrmjustin Mar 2013 #178
msanthrope Mar 2013 #126
cbayer Mar 2013 #7
Capt. Obvious Mar 2013 #8
Raven Mar 2013 #9
ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #10
CountAllVotes Mar 2013 #11
LittleBlue Mar 2013 #12
CountAllVotes Mar 2013 #13
littlemissmartypants Mar 2013 #14
NJCher Mar 2013 #15
Hekate Mar 2013 #76
NYC Liberal Mar 2013 #16
jehop61 Mar 2013 #18
George II Mar 2013 #53
amuse bouche Mar 2013 #83
George II Mar 2013 #163
Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #120
No Vested Interest Mar 2013 #19
freedomrock1970 Mar 2013 #48
liberal from boston Mar 2013 #55
Cleita Mar 2013 #21
gademocrat7 Mar 2013 #22
BainsBane Mar 2013 #23
BuddhaGirl Mar 2013 #185
sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #24
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FailureToCommunicate Mar 2013 #30
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RoccoR5955 Mar 2013 #135
Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #145
dipsydoodle Mar 2013 #34
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IndicaDogwalk Mar 2013 #61
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UrbScotty Mar 2013 #40
gateley Mar 2013 #146
WinkyDink Mar 2013 #41
dynasaw Mar 2013 #42
MADem Mar 2013 #58
nolabear Mar 2013 #45
amuse bouche Mar 2013 #62
nolabear Mar 2013 #78
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BuddhaGirl Mar 2013 #106
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patrice Mar 2013 #63
glinda Mar 2013 #127
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LeftInTX Mar 2013 #70
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freshwest Mar 2013 #152
Octafish Mar 2013 #75
reformist2 Mar 2013 #77
MADem Mar 2013 #131
shireen Mar 2013 #79
LibDemAlways Mar 2013 #80
quinnox Mar 2013 #84
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Posteritatis Mar 2013 #90
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redwitch Mar 2013 #95
redqueen Mar 2013 #96
ucrdem Mar 2013 #99
CentristLiberal Mar 2013 #100
hrmjustin Mar 2013 #108
great white snark Mar 2013 #113
ellie Mar 2013 #102
BuddhaGirl Mar 2013 #107
TwilightGardener Mar 2013 #111
DUgosh Mar 2013 #112
michigandem58 Mar 2013 #115
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CTyankee Mar 2013 #118
OhioChick Mar 2013 #122
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distantearlywarning Mar 2013 #129
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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:34 PM

1. Thank you.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:35 PM

2. I'll second that

 

And add that I wish all of you peace

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:37 PM

3. Thank you

I have a laundry list of progress I would like to see.

I will settle for a thurough cleaning house of scandals and those involved.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:37 PM

4. Third-ed.

I think my interest in electoral politics spills over. I find it fascinating.

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Response to Hosnon (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 11:51 PM

144. I was riveted, much to my amazement -- but I think you nailed it. Interest in electoral

politics!

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:38 PM

5. My partner's family is Polish

They still miss John Paul II, but this means something; So cheers DU Catholics!

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:38 PM

6. Seems to me that if "God" wanted a pope

he'd show up and pick one.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:50 PM

17. At least Catholics are taught manners.

Dropping a turd here is not cool.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #17)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:58 PM

20. Really?

I am (was) Irish Catholic. Taught by nuns, served as an altar boy, the works.

Taught manners? Really? Didn't they tell them it was impolite to molest children?

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #20)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 03:50 PM

43. +1.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #43)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 06:38 PM

97. DU catholics .

sorry , but you deserved a much better pope , one that lives in h´21st century . not in the dark ages .

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #20)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:17 PM

56. Then you should know that "God" shows up at the Sistine Chapel and works his or her will

through the guys in the red dresses sitting there casting ballots. So you see, "God" did pick that Pope, according to the teachings of the Universal Church.

You're really crapping on the wrong doggone thread. Why not just hope for the best, even if you don't expect much? That's probably a better tack to take. If you want to revisit other issues of overreach and/or criminality, you can always start a thread on those topics.

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Response to MADem (Reply #56)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 07:52 PM

116. "crapping on wrong thread" - But he had to...

... swing the child-molestation broad brush somewhere.

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Response to Beartracks (Reply #116)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 08:39 PM

125. At some point in time, someone will have to dig in and fix that mess.

I think everyone deserves a chance. Miracles can happen, after all! If he doesn't meet expectations, I'm sure there will be plenty of threads and opportunities to comment on his shortcomings!

He looked like he'd been run over by a bus, to me...the tee vee was saying "Oooooooh...isn't he SERENE?" when to me he looked like he wasn't sure if he wanted to crap or vomit!

I will hope for the best and not expect a lot, and if I'm surprised, I hope it is pleasantly so.

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Response to MADem (Reply #56)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 12:53 PM

168. I know that is what those hacks are currently claiming

But they used to claim that eating meat on a Friday sent you to Hell.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #168)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 01:46 PM

172. You really do like to double down, I see.

You do know there's a Religion Group where criticism of faiths is de rigueur? You might want to take your concerns there.

This is a congratulatory, uplifting thread, directed at people of a specific religion, and you're doing your damnest to pull it down. You don't have to be a Catholic to wish the Catholics the best of luck with their new leader, and you don't have to agree with their views either--but this is not the thread to call names like "hack" and pout about long-gone dietary restrictions.

Pat yourself on the back, keyboard hero! You've done your bit for Internet Incivility this day!

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Response to MADem (Reply #172)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 03:59 PM

179. Congratulating the Catholic Church

for electing a new leader is, in my opinion, like congratulating the Mob for appointing a new Capo de Tutti Capi.

I know Skinner meant well, but he is a far more forgiving sort than I am, especially in the absence or real contrition.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #20)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 12:24 PM

167. +2

 

Many people are quite happy to trade civility for corruption.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #17)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:54 PM

71. C'mon, pintobean, you've been here long enough to know how this works. The response ...

while disappointing, was totally predictable. The right-wing has not cornered the market on bigoted jerks who wield a broad brush as they display their ignorance and intolerance.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #71)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 05:07 PM

73. What's funny

I was raised Catholic, also. Taught by nuns, served as an altar boy, the works. I'm agnostic and have a lot of issues with the Catholic Church. I assume the Catholics on this board share those issues. This is their day. They have a new pope and new hope for progress in their church. As fellow DUers, they deserve to have their day.
Those nuns and priests taught that there's a time and place for everything, choose your battles wisely, etc.
Sometimes GD looks like a 'who can be the biggest asshole' contest.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #73)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 09:00 PM

130. Yours is the story of so many of us that were raised Catholic (on this board)

I have posted repeatedly that I left Catholicism (and religion) behind decades ago (I am now an old woman/51) ... but, my family and many of my friends are practicing Catholics and liberal Democrats ...

Intelligent discussion and critique of the church's hierarchy is understandable ... but, this is (generally) not what is going on in GD ... I do not recommend this board to Catholics because of the type of "discussion" that has been filling GD today.

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Response to etherealtruth (Reply #130)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 09:47 PM

134. Exactly.

I even sent my daughter through Catholic schools. I wanted her to have the quality of education that they offer. When she was in sixth grade, I explained to her that I was agnostic, and whatever her faith was was okay with me. I just stressed to her that she should respect everyone's faith, whether she agreed or not. She was relieved, and ended up being agnostic, as well. She turned out to be more liberal than I am, and an excellent person.

We had two bad priests at our parish. One was shuffled in before the scandal was fully exposed. A few parishioners found him out and he was promoted to pastor of a nearby church. After the shit really started hitting the fan, he was moved to a job overseeing some properties - away from children. The second guy was the parish pastor and got busted propositioning a minor on craigslist. It was a police sting, posing as a pimp for a minor prostitute. I sure wouldn't even think of blaming the parishioners for continuing to fund their church and school.

BTW - you're a young whipper snapper. I remember when I was your age, way back a few months ago.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #73)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 04:10 PM

182. At what point do you stop treating an organization

that has shown itself to be unapologetically criminal in deed with deference?

Having been subject to sexual abuse (not by the Church) I am NOT forgiving of institutions which tolerate sexual abuse, shield rapists, and provide them with new hunting grounds when the old ones attract too much attention.

If that makes me an "asshole", so be it.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #182)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 04:24 PM

184. So be it

if you are going to read things that aren't there.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #71)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 05:08 AM

159. "The right-wing has not cornered a market on bigoted jerks who wield a broad brush..."

No kidding..The word "catholic" starts them up as if on cue.

I figured Skinner's OP would bring them out in force.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #71)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 04:01 PM

180. I am not intolerant of the any church

just the ones that commit (and continue to commit) vile crimes against humanity.

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Response to amuse bouche (Reply #85)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 06:43 PM

98. Is that what this thread is about?

No.
This thread is about Catholic DUers. Are you accusing anyone here of being a pedophile priest?

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Response to pintobean (Reply #98)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 06:53 PM

101. My comment was in response to the manners

But since you mentioned it, supporting an organization notorious for hiding pedophiles for centuries makes those supporters complicit and guilty by association

So if this Pope supported the KKK would he get support here? Because he is an anti-equality bigot and supporting him here is applauded. Kind of odd, doncha think?

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Response to amuse bouche (Reply #101)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 07:08 PM

109. Take it to ATA

This is Skinner's thread, after all. I don't really care what you think.

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Response to amuse bouche (Reply #101)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 08:09 PM

119. You broad-brushers are amusing.

By your logic every American, personally and individually, who pays taxes and expresses hope and optimism when a new president gets elected is complicit in and guilty of all the cultural sins of this country (killing brown people for oil, crippling income disparity, and Rush Limbaugh being a celebrity, to name a few).

But if you think that sounds ludicrous, because so many of those very same Americans are working to change that culture, then you'd be correct. And so it is with Catholics.

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Response to Beartracks (Reply #119)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 04:16 PM

183. So, let me get this straight,

we are "congratulating" DU Catholics for the fact that their church leaders have elected a homophobic, misogynistic anti-abortion, anti-contraceptive leader?

This is a reason to be happy? To celebrate?

I would think a letter of condolences would be in order.

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Response to amuse bouche (Reply #101)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 10:23 AM

165. No more and no less than...

No more and no less than being an American paying taxes makes us complicit in killing innocent Afghans as well as a host of other international cover-ups and crimes, and further, no less guilty by association.

However, it's the rare thread that begins be celebrating travels throughout the nation which devolves into accusations of murdering Afghan civilians.

However, I do realize our biases often tempt us to hold others to a higher standard than we hold ourselves.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:02 PM

52. Go away.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 06:57 PM

103. That was not nice.

You did not have to do that.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #103)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 07:05 PM

105. there are some very deep and awful hurts caused by that church

 

and I wouldn't assume that anyone who has great disgust for them has no other reason to pour forth scorn on the RCC other than just to annoy people.

I am trying to hold back my disgust, but I'm having some difficulty in accepting that this creature that was appointed today is very much like the right wing legitimate rape assholes in his old and moldy thoughts in his old and evil woman hating and gay hating head.

There will never be an excuse to shield and protect such vile.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #105)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 07:15 PM

110. As a gay man I understand that but the poster i responded to was not pointing that out.

That poster was just trying to be cute and it was not funny.

As for your point, you made it very well in a civil manner. Your make your feelings known and you just did.

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Response to Whisp (Reply #105)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 01:27 PM

170. Creature?

Why did you call the new pope a creature? Is he not even worthy of a simple pronoun or something that recognizes him as a human being? Critique the church all you want, but you could refer to him by his name or as the new pope or something...

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Response to Camballo (Reply #170)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 01:34 PM

171. I have called republicans this, and worse.

 

and I consider the head of the catholic church as despicable, or more so, as the legitimate rape, gay hating republicans.

The day republicans are demanded some respect here for their evilness, is the day I will hold back my criticism on the pope and what he represents - pedophilia, inequity and greed. And not listening to any words of this Jesus guy but making it up for their own benefit instead.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #103)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 01:02 PM

169. Really?

You can look at the vast number of atrocities committed by the church in the last 1800+ years and chide ME, for not being nice?

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #169)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 02:33 PM

173. Your post seemed to be making fun at the process and I think you did not need to do that.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #173)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 03:25 PM

175. The process is ridiculous

If "God" wants someone to represent him on Earth, then it seems that He would pick the person himself. This would avoid the embarrassment of having a spokesman who covers up child rape, tolerates slavery, and runs inquisitions.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #175)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 03:32 PM

176. They have the right to their beliefs and belittling that is not nice.

In this reply you made an argument that you can debate.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #176)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 03:52 PM

177. I am compelled to respect people's right to have beliefs different from my own,

I am not compelled to be uncritical of them. Especially when those beliefs contravene the law.

If the Catholic Church had been a commercial day care franchise, all parties involved would have been prosecuted and the company shut down under the RICO statutes. The leadership of the Church is to this day engaged in an ongoing criminal enterprise which is conspiring to obstruct justice and protect sexual predators.

The Catholic church gets substantial sums of my tax dollar that subsidize its "charity" hospitals, and does not pay tens of billions of dollars in property taxes because of its status as a "religion".

I have every right to be scathingly critical of this criminal, right-wing, political organization.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #177)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 03:53 PM

178. Yes you do but your first post was mean spirit.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 08:40 PM

126. Not the thread to do this in. nt

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:40 PM

7. I am also hopeful that they chose someone who will represent change.

Best wishes for all DU Catholics and for the world.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:41 PM

8. Although I am saddened that Pope watch ended so soon

I'm thrilled that the unfunny marijuana/Cheech & Chong jokes will stop.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:42 PM

9. Here's hoping whoever it is will clean house

and open the priesthood to women and married people. My old parish now has a pastor who is a widower with children. People say that there is a world of difference in how he relates to his parishoners and their problems.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:42 PM

10. On behalf of my daughter and her Family

I thank you.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:43 PM

11. thank you

Thanks again for wishing well to the 1.2 billion Catholics that are in this world.

& recommend.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:44 PM

12. As a lapsed Catholic

This is still interesting. Watching the famous Swiss Guard, the smoke and ceremony, this is a glimpse into an ancient tradition. And it isn't like the presidential election, we'll only get to see it a few times in our lifetime if the popes are in good health.

Here's hoping for an exciting figure rather than someone like Benedict.

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #12)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:46 PM

13. Here's hoping for an exciting figure rather than someone like Benedict.

Amen to that!

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Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:48 PM

15. yeah, maybe

I just can't get too excited about ceremonies involving (mostly) old white men.

Whatever.


Cher

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Response to NJCher (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 05:14 PM

76. My ceremonies usually involve dancing in circles in the full moonlight....

I say let the old men have their fun, too!

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:49 PM

16. As a former Catholic, I still follow this and am anxious to see what lies ahead.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:52 PM

18. Thank you

There is so much nay saying amongst du posters today.

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Response to jehop61 (Reply #18)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:07 PM

53. It does get wearisome, doesn't it? "Progressives" regressing, what a shame.

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Response to George II (Reply #53)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 05:23 PM

83. Yes

It is utterly vile and disgusting to celebrate this anti-equality bigot on this site.

What next...a party for the KKK?

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Response to amuse bouche (Reply #83)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 09:25 AM

163. You've proen my point..........thanks!

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Response to jehop61 (Reply #18)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 08:10 PM

120. Must be the TV today,...My fiancee had to watch her soap online.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:57 PM

19. Thank you to the well-wishers

As Pope John Paul II said, echoing the words of Christ:
"Be not afraid".

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Response to No Vested Interest (Reply #19)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 03:59 PM

48. Pope?

I thought that was Yoda

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Response to No Vested Interest (Reply #19)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:15 PM

55. Pope Francis I

Very well said No Vested Interest!!! I can remember Pope John Paul II saying frequently "Be not afraid". I always felt that Pope JP II was telling us that really difficult times were ahead. Our prayers & best wishes are with Pope Francis !

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Wed Mar 13, 2013, 03:02 PM

21. Thanks, but I don't think he will do anything startling, not the candidates I saw

anyway. Maybe he will address the scandals with meaningful reforms, I hope.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 03:06 PM

22. Thank you, Skinner

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 03:08 PM

23. I appreciate your demonstrating

respect for a religion unpopular among DUers through this post.
I'm not a practicing Catholic myself, but I come from a Catholic family and find some of the posts about Catholics a bit much.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #23)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 04:54 PM

185. Me too

"I'm not a practicing Catholic myself, but I come from a Catholic family and find some of the posts about Catholics a bit much."

It's really sad that some DUers can't follow Skinner's model and respect others' beliefs. THAT is the behavior model that brings effective change in the world, not attacking, belittling, and denigrating.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 03:10 PM

24. Thank you!

K&R

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 03:13 PM

25. That was a very positive step.

Thank you.
But not because I am a Catholic....I have not been to mass in over 50 years...but because we need more heal and less hell.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #25)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 02:18 AM

153. 'More heal and less hell.' I like that one.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 03:16 PM

26. Thanks Skinner.

Lord knows (literally) my Church has some serious problems, mainly stemming from an overly stubborn hierarchy resistant to change and in denial of some of its internal problems. But still, it's my church, I like the tenants of the faith, I like the church on the local levels, I do continue to go to church every week, and I can only hope for the best despite all its flaws.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 03:17 PM

27. As a non Catholic with a Catholic family..

I say mazel tov to all my Catholic family and friends.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #27)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 02:14 AM

151. Please - it the phrase 'mazel tov' a toast or does it mean good luck?

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Response to freshwest (Reply #151)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 08:08 AM

161. Good luck, in a celebration kind of way.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 03:18 PM

28. He's of the Jesuit Order..

they're supposed to be the most forward thinking and most worldly so we'll see.

My mom is curious to see how this plays out.

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Response to one_voice (Reply #28)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 03:23 PM

32. He has a diploma in chemistry so hopefully he is not of the opinion that there needs

to be any conflict between his faith and science. That never made sense anyhow if you believe in God.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #32)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 05:36 PM

89. There isn't much of a science-religion conflict with most contemporary Catholics anyway

Evolution is taken for granted, for instance. Hell, John Paul II was okay with genetic engineering.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #32)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 07:19 PM

114. Catholics are competently taught science

... creationism is taught in religion classes.

Catholic Universities are not "Catholic" versions of Bob Jones University ... think De Paul, Loyola, Notre Dame ...

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Response to etherealtruth (Reply #114)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 10:02 PM

136. University of Detroit Mercy

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Response to BeatleBoot (Reply #136)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 10:04 PM

137. Exactly

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Response to etherealtruth (Reply #114)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 02:00 AM

149. Yep. I learned evolution in Catholic school. Chemistry too. nt

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Response to one_voice (Reply #28)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 03:25 PM

33. Not in this case.

This one is another extremist rightwing creep. Big surprise.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 03:20 PM

29. I'm not religious either. Skinner voiced an opinion that us non-religious folks can get behind

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 03:20 PM

30. My father politely asked Pope John Paul ll to allow Catholic woman to break the glass ceiling

(and acknowledge all the work they do on behalf of the Church, with little chance of leadership.) when he addressed the Vatican Council in 1981.

Congrats to (new) Pope Franciscus.

Let's hope he can lead in modernizing the Church worldwide...



Thanks, Skinner, for the sentiment.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 03:23 PM

31. An Argentine

The first pope from the Americas. I am really happy!

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Response to Lobo27 (Reply #31)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 05:43 PM

94. There's never any getting over the Dirty War, but this is a seed of hope. nt

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Response to patrice (Reply #94)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 09:47 PM

135. I don't think so...

This pope was involved in the Dirty War, and he helped the junta kidnap two priests.

See my post below for a couple of links about him.

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Response to RoccoR5955 (Reply #135)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 11:52 PM

145. Your own link doesn't buttress your B.S. claim about the kidnapping:

His spokesman flatly denied the allegations and no evidence was presented linking the cardinal to the kidnapping.


Wow. Damning stuff there.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 03:28 PM

34. Class post

unlike some of the common remarks elsewhere.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #34)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 03:51 PM

44. It was a classy thread, kudos to Skinner nt

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 03:29 PM

35. Hoping for the best for all our DU brethren.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 03:39 PM

36. First impression:

He seems really nice, someone who prefers simplicity. I read that he lives simply, not lavishly, has prepared his own meals, and is intent on addressing the needs of the poor and sick. He may not wage direct war on capitalism, but would like for people to see the evil in greed.

Unfortunately, I bet there will be no change in ordination of women, in theology of GLBT, women's reproductive issues, etc.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss?

But I'm happy for devoted RC that they have a new leader. I hope he does wonderful things.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 03:41 PM

37. Yes congrats on another homophobic

"Bergoglio has affirmed church teaching on homosexuality, contraception and abortion and is considered to be among the most conservative in Latin America.

In 2010, for instance, Bergoglio stated that same-sex adoption is a form of discrimination against children and has said that same-sex marriage is “a scheme to destroy God’s plan” and “a real and dire anthropological throwback.” He strongly opposed legislation introduced in 2010 by the Argentine Government to allow for marriage equality"

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/03/13/1714691/new-pope-elected/

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Response to amuse bouche (Reply #37)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:25 PM

61. I agree - Congrats on yet another right-wing homophobic pope

I see no need to congratulate anyone on this newly enshrined bigot. Quote from your new Pope on same-sex marriage "(it is) a scheme to destroy God's plan". Nice, real nice.

Bergoglio is unwaveringly orthodox on all matters of sexual morality. He staunchly opposes the following: abortion, same-sex marriage, and all forms of contraception.

In 2010 he stated that "gay adoption is a form of discrimination against children" earning a public rebuke from Argentina's President, Cristina Fernández de Kirchner. While many people are speaking of how Bergoglio is a compassionate man, he is selectively compassionate. His opposition to homosexuality, while predictable, is not a reason to celebrate him.

So the institutionalized bigotry of the Catholic Church will continue.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 03:41 PM

38. Thanks Skinner, I don't expect many changes but he's better that what

we had.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 03:45 PM

39. Thank you Skinner....

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 03:47 PM

40. Thank you, Skinner! As a Catholic, I am very delighted about Pope Francis!

He is incredibly humble - just what the Church needs right about now.

The majority of non-Catholics on this board have been respectful of us Catholics, even if the discourse here often sends a different message. The Church is not without its faults, but today I am optimistic.

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Response to UrbScotty (Reply #40)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 12:08 AM

146. His humility takes my breath away.

I literally couldn't breathe for a moment when I read about him washing and kissing the feet of AIDS patients at a hospice.

I'm a loooooong lapsed Catholic, but one story that made a profound impact on me was when a leper knocked on the door of a man (a priest? I don't recall the specifics) and he was invited in for a meal. The man hugged the leper who turned into Jesus. I'm sure I have it wrong but the message is clear. Whatever you do unto the least of my...

That's what I feel from Francisco -- a deep reverence for others and a love for those who are hurting.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 03:48 PM

41. I don't really think we need "congratulations." Do Anglicans, when there's a new

Archbishp of Canterbury?

It's a matter of history for the world.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 03:48 PM

42. But Does He Tango?

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Response to dynasaw (Reply #42)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:18 PM

58. He is 76 with one lung.

I'm sure if he does tango, he does the shorter numbers....

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 03:52 PM

45. Thank you, Skinner. I'm not a believer but do believe in respect.

The mob is already assembled and I hope somehow a few breaths can be drawn and perspective allowed to develop.

You're a good guy. If DU ever elects a pope I'm for you.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #45)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:31 PM

62. 'respect' ?

I could not disagree more. He's extremely anti-gay. That being celebrated on a Dem site is beyond disgusting. It's utterly vile


Would people respect him if he supported the KKK? No? There is no difference

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Response to amuse bouche (Reply #62)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 05:16 PM

78. I'm talking about respect for Catholics, but also being open to extending a hand.

Yes, even to someone who has done things you find unthinkable. The only other choice is for hate to engender hate, and I won't let hate be the center from which I work. There are other alternatives between being controlled in spirit by love and by hate. They're really difficult ones and i'm a poor practitioner, but I keep trying.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #78)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 05:21 PM

82. Bull

The only way the KKK got pushed out was not by love, but by shame and laws against them

The pope is a bigot. No different than the KKK. Celebrating his hate is utterly vile, especially on this site

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Response to amuse bouche (Reply #82)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 05:33 PM

87. Laws, yes. Shaming does nothing to change minds.

One can become ashamed if their eyes are opened in an impactful way but to be shamed by another does just the opposite, I believe. Of COURSE you enact laws not to let that kind of thinking harm people. I work hard for that. And I get angry at people who do harm. But if I only rage and don't try to understand and find common ground then I think I fail before I start. A boot on the neck or a firebomb or a noose is what it is, no matter who wields it. I don't see how your starting point might actually change someone's beliefs, only their acts, and the Church is actually changing at the level of the people themselves through the persistence by those they discriminate against, not of rage, but of simple, unthreatening living.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #87)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 07:05 PM

106. great post :-)

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Response to BuddhaGirl (Reply #106)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 08:48 PM

128. Buddhism ain't easy, Baby.

I fail more than I succeed, but it makes more sense to me than just about anything else.

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Response to amuse bouche (Reply #82)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 08:13 PM

121. Weird, I didn't see anyone celbrating "his hate."

You're trolling all over the place.

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Response to amuse bouche (Reply #82)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 09:16 PM

132. Who is "celebrating his hate?"

He hasn't been 24 hours in the job, yet. I think, if people are "celebrating" anything, they are celebrating an opportunity--that this guy, now that he is Top Dog, will not be constrained by the opinions of the peers he's left in the dust, or the boss he used to have to answer to, and that he'll use his considerable education and intellect to do the right thing.

Is it likely? Maybe not. Is it within the realm of possibility? We can only hope. And that is what this thread is about--hope.

Let the guy step in it, first, before we say he's covered in it.

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Response to amuse bouche (Reply #62)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 06:59 PM

104. I am gay and I left the RCC but I wish him well and hope he evolves on LGBT rights.

You could have waited a day or two and let DU catholics have their moment.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #45)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:48 PM

69. I despise religious bigotry of all kinds. It doesn't paint a good picture

of so-called liberals to hate anybody of a religious faith.

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Response to duffyduff (Reply #69)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 05:20 PM

81. I appreciate not sitting still for discrimination but IMO raging closes doors.

Just my attempt at finding some kind of starting point.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 03:59 PM

46. Thank you...Not a Catholic but it was good to see your congrats...

Thanks for TRYING to set a tone here that wasn't bashing, ridiculing one liner snark.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 03:59 PM

47. It's too much to expect

That the new Pope will diverge from the conservative interpretations of John Paul II and Benedict. I don't foresee anything changing under this Pope.

But he does appear to be a nice guy - humble, intellectual and friendly.

I wonder about his age and health, though. I have a feeling his Papacy will be a short one.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:00 PM

49. where there is despair, hope

Prayer of Saint Francis of Assisi

Lord, make me an instrument of your peace.
Where there is hatred, let me sow love;
where there is injury,pardon;
where there is doubt, faith;
where there is despair, hope;
where there is darkness, light;
and where there is sadness, joy.

O Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek
to be consoled as to console;
to be understood as to understand;
to be loved as to love.
For it is in giving that we receive;
it is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life. Amen

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Response to riverwalker (Reply #49)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 02:12 AM

150. That is beautiful, thanks.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:01 PM

50. Thank you. I am happy.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:02 PM

51. Very classy move Skinner

I'm an atheist, which I'm not going to rant about. I find this move very classy. Bravo.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:12 PM

54. Cool.

The new guy might actually move the enormous bureaucracy to a more progressive point of view. He chose the name Francis - iconic patron of the disadvantaged.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:17 PM

57. Thank you Skinner. I have high hopes for this pope. I couldn't stand the last one from the

 

beginning. I can't tell you why but it was just a feeling. I have good vibes with this one. Pope Francis I is a good name. He will connect with the people am sure. He reminds me of the little fat pope John in the early 60s. The people loved him. When he died I was there visiting our relatives. The whole week everything was shut down out of respect for the pope. It was something to see. I hope and pray this Pope will deal with the terrible abuses or the church will not go on. We really need a moderate pope to move forward.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:23 PM

59. a nice post.

 

I'm surprised with the obsessive vitriol in some of the other threads.

I was trying to look up the percentage of Democrats that are catholic and could not find a good number. I assume it's not insignificant.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:23 PM

60. Agreed

I wish him and all well.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:32 PM

63. Jesuits have a reputation for intellectual freedom, or at least they did at one time. nt

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Response to patrice (Reply #63)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 08:43 PM

127. The last Pope despised the Jesuits so we will see. Picked a good name I will say.

If he focuses upon actions of helping the poor and is vocal about the injustices of Politics like I heard he was in Argentina and he cares for the smallest, meaning the animals and the Earth, that would be a big step. Especially if he leaves the hate speech behind. I can hope because my Catholic Family would like a more decent Pope. If possible.

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Response to patrice (Reply #63)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 02:38 AM

155. Intellectual rigor, anyway

They have a highly intellectual tradition, very rational. As William F. Buckley showed, you can be intelligent, rigorous, and yet quite conservative. It all depends on the predisposition of the individual, I think. In any case, unlike our anti-intellectual and ignorant homegrown nondenominational Protestant fundamentalists, Jesuits are quite open to scientific inquiry and the results thereof.

The page at this link makes for interesting reading, but briefly:

The study of philosophy is central to helping students achieve this goal by providing essential background and foundations to understand and articulate:

Rationality (evidence, consistency, valid argumentation, and systematic avoidance of omissions)
The existence of God, and appreciating God's love and justice
The ultimate end/ends (goals) of the human person
The highest end/ends of the polis (community), or society (i.e., the common good)
The means for pursuing the goals for human personhood and the common good (i.e., ethics).

>snip<
This third part will concern developing mental acuity (the skill of thinking, reasoning, creating, and expressing oneself clearly).

If one assembles these three parts, an overarching theme becomes evident: The heart liberates the mind, and the mind liberates the heart. "Heart" is a metaphor commonly used to speak of the human capacity to pursue meaning, ideals, love and transcendence with spirit, enthusiasm, empathy, belief, and even passion. The heart directs the mind to meaning and purpose in life. It orients the mind toward the highest possible aspirations, to living life to the fullest, to the highest human emotions, and to our most creative expression. The mind, in its turn, guides the heart to what is reasonable and responsible. It examines the heart's objectives systematically, assesses what can be realistically done, and helps the heart to articulate its aims with clarity and precision. Educators in the Jesuit tradition commonly acknowledge Blaise Pascal's memorable phrase, "the heart has reasons that the mind knows not of." We also recognize that this attention to the heart is one of the most distinctive features of Jesuit education. Yet we hasten to add that the heart is in need of the clear, precise and systematic expression of the mind to bring its loves, ideals, and aspirations to an optimal and effective end.


http://catholiceducation.org/articles/education/ed0108.html

It is meaningful that the new pope has a particular vocation to care for the poor, has lived humbly, and has chosen the name of Francis as his papal name, for Francis of Asissi chose a life of poverty. So we shall see where his mind and his heart lead him in the task of cleaning up the mess the Church has made for itself in Rome and elsewhere.

Hekate

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Response to Hekate (Reply #155)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 05:51 PM

187. His undergrad was philosophy too, that used to be a politcal hindrance in the RC church. I know

because one of the earliest intellectual turn ons in my life was a perpetually sardonic priest named Fr. Joseph Santa, who also did Divinity studies later in life, because he came to that area of interest through a Philosophy undergrad degree. He was also quite a historian, and either a fly- or welter- weight Golden Gloves champion in his college years, so as a freshman in high school (Catholics didn't do junior high in those days), I always enjoyed his religion classes, partly because of his subtle sense of humor and also for how so much of what he said had different levels of meaning, even when he was explaining things.

..........................................

I am a "tweener" from a huge family; I'm mostly comfortable with all kinds of diversity and disagreement. The Catholic Church doesn't fill an either/or proposition for me. That's some of the magic of what comes next; you're right Hekate, we will see what happens. At minimum, I'm hoping that the Dirty War has proven that the Liberation Theologists MUST have a place in Catholic discourse.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:39 PM

64. "We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent

"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart." H.L. Mencken

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:40 PM

65. Thank you for showing some progressive civility.

The incivility quotient is high today.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:41 PM

66. I'm sure the millions of Catholics around the world are excited and hopeful

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:45 PM

67. Thanks for posting this n/t

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:46 PM

68. He DOES have a resume against Gays & Abortion, so that's telling, but Argentina is also a survivorof

Disaster Capitalism, so there's a smattering of something related to that issue in his resume too, which, given the fact that he is a Jesuit and Jesuits are suspected of being at least intellectual supporters of Liberation Theology, a cohort within the church that was publicly chastised by Benedict XVI in Mexico City, is kind of interesting:

http://www.jesuit.org/blog/index.php/2013/03/jesuit-argentine-cardinal-bergoglio-elected-pope-takes-name-francis-i/

On June 3, 1997, he was named coadjutor archbishop. He was installed as the new archbishop of Buenos Aires Feb. 28, 1998.

Some controversy had arisen over the position taken by Cardinal Bergoglio during Argentina’s 1976-1983 military dictatorship, which cracked down brutally on political opponents. Estimates of the number of people killed and forcibly disappeared during those years range from about 13,000 to more than 30,000.

Citing a case in which two young priests were detained by the military regime, critics say that the cardinal, who was Jesuit provincial at the time, did not do enough to support church workers against the military dictatorship.

Others, however, have said that he attempted to negotiate behind the scenes for the priests’ release, and a spokesman for the cardinal, quoted in the daily newspaper La Nacion, called the accusation “old slander.”

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Response to patrice (Reply #68)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 05:29 PM

86. He also has...

...a resume against gay adoption as being a form of discrimination against children. Wonder if he worries about the children when it comes to pedophilia?

TYY

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Response to TeeYiYi (Reply #86)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 05:37 PM

91. That'd make a revealing discussion for comparison of empirical effects of policy related to the 2

issue areas.

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Response to TeeYiYi (Reply #86)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 05:39 PM

92. I'm kind of excited by the, even, indirect relations to Liberation Theology. nt

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:51 PM

70. Thank you

I'm glad he picked the name Francis.

To Paul Ryan, who is Catholic: Your church is speaking to you!!

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 04:57 PM

72. Thanks.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 05:08 PM

74. Congratulations from here. This is historic -- the first non-European-nation pope ever

I think it is telling that he is also the first in history to take the name Francis. I hope that is in honor of St. Francis of Asissi, but that is just my personal bias from reading Kazantzakis in college. (oops, the name is doubtless for St. Francis Xavier, founder of the Jesuit order, of which he is a member)

Very historic, and we can hope for some reforms, though not all the ones it will take to bring the Church into this century.

Like other Jesuit intellectuals, Bergoglio has focused on social outreach. Catholics are still buzzing over his speech last year accusing fellow church officials of hypocrisy for forgetting that Jesus Christ bathed lepers and ate with prostitutes.

“In our ecclesiastical region there are priests who don't baptize the children of single mothers because they weren't conceived in the sanctity of marriage,” Bergoglio told his priests. “These are today's hypocrites. Those who clericalize the church. Those who separate the people of God from salvation. And this poor girl who, rather than returning the child to sender, had the courage to carry it into the world, must wander from parish to parish so that it's baptized!”

http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-new-pope-bio-20130313,0,6062703.story

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Response to Hekate (Reply #74)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 02:17 AM

152. That is a powerful statement there.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 05:12 PM

75. Thank you, Skinner!

Pope Francis I -- the first Jesuit to be elected Pope, takes his name after St. Francis (the founder of the Franciscans and two other orders), who cared about peace and poverty (as well as the natural world).

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Wed Mar 13, 2013, 05:15 PM

77. Anyone who knows anything about St. Francis has to wonder what this means.


I take it at face value: This pope wants to be an advocate for the poor, first and foremost.

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Response to reformist2 (Reply #77)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 09:05 PM

131. He didn't put on the jeweled gold cross, I noticed.

Here's Benedict after he got voted in (are those emeralds in that cross of gold?):




And here's "Vow of Poverty" Francis:



The embroidered bit of business is for the prayers...but note the simplicity of the cross:

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Wed Mar 13, 2013, 05:17 PM

79. i'd like to add my congratulations too

Altho' I don't care for his views on GLBT equality, women in the priesthood, etc., I think this man will be a champion for the poor. If the one thing he can do is to reduce the level of poverty in the world, I will always be grateful to him.

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Wed Mar 13, 2013, 05:17 PM

80. Skinner, thank you for a classy post. One thing

progressives/liberals should be known for is tolerance. We may not like or agree with someone else's views and we may work to change them, but generalized name calling condemning an entire religion as I've seen elsewhere on DU today is uncalled for. According to a Georgetown U. study 38 % of American Catholics are self-identified Democrats and another 22% lean Democratic. Catholic teaching is not entirely out of sync with Democratic Party ideals - though I would be the first to admit the institutional church has a long way to go on issues of gay rights and abortion. Catholics in general tend to be more liberal than the clergy and really not much different from most Americans.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 05:26 PM

84. I respect religious freedom and

 

add my congratulations to the Worlds Catholics who are celebrating. Some people seem to think that religions should match their political views, but it doesn't work that way. Everyone is entitled to their own religious beliefs, and I respect that.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 05:34 PM

88. Thank you, Skinner.

Jesuits tend to be disciplined and fearless types -- somewhat like soldiers. This is going to be interesting.

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Wed Mar 13, 2013, 05:37 PM

90. Glad to know there'll be at least one civilized OP on this. (nt)

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Wed Mar 13, 2013, 05:39 PM

93. wonderful thread Skinner

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Wed Mar 13, 2013, 06:28 PM

95. Thanks Skinner.

You are such a dear.

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Wed Mar 13, 2013, 06:33 PM

96. K&R

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 06:47 PM

99. Thank you!

That means a lot. And I have a feeling things are looking up all over the world, not just for Catholics. Call it the Obama dividend!

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Wed Mar 13, 2013, 07:07 PM

108. Wow!

Just congratulating someone has become a sin.

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Response to CentristLiberal (Reply #100)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 07:18 PM

113. Not bullshit and tolerance is not about condoning certain behaviour.

We have many Duers of faith here and I hope you won't be intolerant to them.

Welcome to DU.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 06:55 PM

102. As a lapsed Cathollic

He is going to have to do a lot to get me to come back to the church, like clean out the abusers. I don't see it happening. Ever.

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Wed Mar 13, 2013, 07:06 PM

107. K & R

n/t

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Wed Mar 13, 2013, 07:15 PM

111. Thanks, Skinner.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 07:18 PM

112. Woohoo

Thanks Skins, nachos for everyone in the lounge!

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 07:40 PM

115. Congrats on your latest anti-gay, anti-choice leader

 

I'm amazed anyone could be excited about this and call themselves a progressive. Bigotry is bigotry, wrapped up in religion or not.

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Response to michigandem58 (Reply #115)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 07:53 PM

117. +1 times a bazillion.

 

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Response to michigandem58 (Reply #115)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 07:58 PM

118. I guess we shall see, what we shall see. I just hope the truth comes out.

I am hoping for no whitewash here. He is accountable on these charges and issues. Let him set them right, if they are wrong, but if they are right, let him atone or resign.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 08:15 PM

122. Class post, Skinner

Thanks.

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Wed Mar 13, 2013, 08:18 PM

123. Namaste

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Wed Mar 13, 2013, 08:51 PM

129. Thank you, Skinner.

Very classy post.

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Wed Mar 13, 2013, 09:40 PM

133. The Catholic Church picked a winner, the winner of the "Dirty War" in Argentina.

"Bergoglio, now the new Pope Francis I, has been identified publicly as an ally of Argentine’s repressive leaders during the “dirty war” when some 30,000 people were “disappeared” or killed, many stripped naked, chained together, flown out over the River Plate or the Atlantic Ocean and pushed sausage-like out of planes to drown.

"The “disappeared” included women who were pregnant at the time of their arrest. In some bizarre nod to Catholic theology, they were kept alive only long enough to give birth before they were murdered and their babies were farmed out to military families, including to people directly involved in the murder of the babies’ mothers.

"Instead of happy talk about how Bergoglio seems so humble and how he seems so sympathetic to the poor, there might have been a question or two about what he did to stop the brutal repression of poor people and activists who represented the interests of the poor, including “liberation theology” priests and nuns, during the “dirty war.”"

Read more about him here: http://consortiumnews.com/2013/03/13/dirty-war-questions-for-pope-francis/

Another article here: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/445767/20130313/pope-francis-argentina-dirty-war-vatican-rome.htm

It seems that he's worse than Pope Benny, who was one of Hitler's Nazi Youth!

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 10:06 PM

138. As A Buddhist

(with some Shinto thrown in) I agree with Skinner sama. My best wishes to all of you as well.. Omedetou!

yoroshiku ne!

Kimiko, yori

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 10:14 PM

139. The ceremony was so moving.

 

Hope.

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Wed Mar 13, 2013, 11:42 PM

140. K&R nt

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Wed Mar 13, 2013, 11:42 PM

141. Thank you. n/t

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 11:46 PM

142. Yeah, congrats to those 1 billion people who see women as less than men,

who want/have control of women's reproductive functions and have for thousands of years used women to endlessly produce more babies and who deny those with vaginas their rightful place as intellectual or spiritual equals. The inequality of their religion continues and their new pope is totally in agreement with this dogma.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 11:48 PM

143. Not a very good start. in my opinion. nt.

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Thu Mar 14, 2013, 01:34 AM

147. I'm gonna be calling him "Pope Missing."

First we get ex-Hilter Youth. As least Benedict was a Nazi before he was a priest. Anyone in the Church in a position of power during the (American backed) Argenetinian right wing regime is on shaky ground. And it appears that this new pope has a lot of skeletons in his closet and that, being an ambitious man, he has spent the last decade trying to clean up his act---ministering to the poor etc.---so that he can get into the Vatican. I am expecting the worst. Anti-woman, anti-gay, pro-business, anti-poor.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 01:36 AM

148. Nice sentiment, but Intolerance Underground's dog whistle will not be stayed. nt

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Response to onehandle (Reply #148)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 02:58 AM

157. What goes around comes around...

...and I'll just leave it at that.

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Response to LAGC (Reply #157)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 03:17 PM

174. Here's the thing...

We're supposed to be better than that.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 02:27 AM

154. Rock on Pope Francis

 

and thanks Skinner for the shout.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 02:50 AM

156. Yes, Congratulations.

I wish him well, and wish him luck, and I know I speak for many when I say I hope he brings boatloads of Compassion into the job, and at the same time brings some long-overdue modernity and transparency to the Institution and some of its teachings. The world could use another Pope like this:



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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #156)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 04:15 AM

158. According to what I heard on the news today, Pope John was his mentor

Let's hope this new pope follows in his footsteps.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 07:23 AM

160. thanks for this public statement. I was hoping I would see this.

As a non-believer, I wholeheartedly agree.

The offensive nature of some posts over the past hours has been disturbing - from supposed liberal/progressive members of DU.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 08:19 AM

162. Hey, I'm an atheist but...

growing up, from grade 5 to 11, I was the only protestant in an all catholic schools. Aside from one beef with a sister name Katherine, all those catholic people were very kind to me. I wish you the best of luck with your new Pope.

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 09:54 AM

164. If it's a big deal for a major world religion, then I respect it

out of respect for its adherents.

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Response to jsr (Reply #164)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 04:55 PM

186. Why?

 

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 11:58 AM

166. Thank you Skinner! n/t

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Response to Skinner (Original post)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 04:02 PM

181. Yes, good luck with your new Pope.

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