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Sun Mar 10, 2013, 12:04 AM

American CEO'S - "American Workers Stink"

According to article on Huff Post Business Section - American workers lack common sense skills. Look who's talking.

Another excuse to send jobs overseas.

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Reply American CEO'S - "American Workers Stink" (Original post)
TheMastersNemesis Mar 2013 OP
PDJane Mar 2013 #1
yourout Mar 2013 #2
Dawson Leery Mar 2013 #3
aquart Mar 2013 #4
sdfernando Mar 2013 #5
Brigid Mar 2013 #6
sibelian Mar 2013 #7
HiPointDem Mar 2013 #10
sibelian Mar 2013 #11
HiPointDem Mar 2013 #13
sibelian Mar 2013 #21
duffyduff Mar 2013 #24
lame54 Mar 2013 #26
sibelian Mar 2013 #31
CreekDog Mar 2013 #28
sibelian Mar 2013 #32
CreekDog Mar 2013 #34
sibelian Mar 2013 #36
CreekDog Mar 2013 #38
Skip Intro Mar 2013 #40
CreekDog Mar 2013 #41
Dr. Strange Mar 2013 #43
DonCoquixote Mar 2013 #8
Dash87 Mar 2013 #17
DonCoquixote Mar 2013 #20
virtualobserver Mar 2013 #35
newfie11 Mar 2013 #9
sendero Mar 2013 #12
Buns_of_Fire Mar 2013 #19
PopeOxycontinI Mar 2013 #14
GoCubsGo Mar 2013 #39
Dan Mar 2013 #42
Ilsa Mar 2013 #15
Squinch Mar 2013 #16
Dash87 Mar 2013 #18
SomethingFishy Mar 2013 #22
Initech Mar 2013 #23
frylock Mar 2013 #25
RobinA Mar 2013 #27
mick063 Mar 2013 #29
Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #30
4 t 4 Mar 2013 #33
Third Doctor Mar 2013 #37
Javaman Mar 2013 #44
One_Life_To_Give Mar 2013 #45

Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 12:05 AM

1. The real problem is that they're spoiled; they want a living wage,

breaks, and won't kill themselves for the company.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 12:06 AM

2. The real problem is they want to be paid.

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Response to yourout (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 12:07 AM

3. +1

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 12:08 AM

4. American CEOs are greedy, unpatriotic sociopaths.

Speaking of stink.

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Response to aquart (Reply #4)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 12:15 AM

5. What is that old proverb???....

A fish rots from the head....ain't it the truth!

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 12:22 AM

6. Correction:

"American Employers Stink."

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 12:25 AM

7. To be fair, most workers stink.


Having worked a lot, and done lots of working with lots of workers, I know that this is the case.

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Response to sibelian (Reply #7)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 05:36 AM

10. most bosses stink as well. stink worse than workers, actually.

 

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #10)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 07:16 AM

11. This is true. They are most often way stinkier.


Workers with delusions of grandeur.

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Response to sibelian (Reply #11)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 07:29 AM

13. so i guess the conclusion is, people generally stink but they need to make a living so you'd better

 

pay them.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #13)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 02:55 PM

21. Well.... what I think is...

If you want people to work hard they have to have a reason to do so and a lot of the time money isn't it. That's just the way it is.

However, if you want people in general to buy things, you have to pay them, and typically you have to pay them more than the amount that people who hire them want to.

If you want people to have plans for the future and build up a useful store of capital you have to have a minimum wage so people can plan. I think there should be a series of tiered "minimum wages" for various kinds of work, starting with something acceptable to ordinary human dignity at the bottom, and I think adjustments to these tiers, if they are ever made, should be made such that the bottom layer is protected... Also these tiers should obviously be pegged to inflation.

So you would have "anyone doing any work at all gets X", "anyone responsible for organising people gets Y" and so on.

If you can think of a way of dealing with profit making organisations so that they stop wanting people to do more for less money I'll be interested to know what it is....

I also believe there should be a maximum wage. But I'm somewhat alone in that and I'm not sure 100% of the time that it's a great idea. Sometimes it seems good, sometimes it doesn't.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #10)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 03:37 PM

24. Especially in public education

If you are an administrator, the worse you are, the better you do, as long as you are part of the inside crowd. Teachers who are good at their jobs don't become administrators because they want to work with children. Only the worst people go into administration these days.

The Peter Principle had public education in mind.

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Response to sibelian (Reply #7)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 04:39 PM

26. are you including yourself?

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Response to lame54 (Reply #26)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 05:17 PM

31. To some degree, yes.

Last edited Sun Mar 10, 2013, 06:16 PM - Edit history (1)

It depends very much on the job, but I go through phases of being very focussed and compeltely demotivated. Also I bend the rules.

My current workplace is he best I've ever been in and my work is at its best too. This is because they do NOT care how I get my work done as long as I get it done, on time, properly. I am able to apply myself to acheiving the organisations goals in my own way, as a result, I'm able to take responsibility for the outcome rather than constantly being "guided" through the "process". Some days I take lots of breaks, but I now how long it takes to get stuff sorted and I spend another hour to half an hour at the end of the day making sure all the needs of the position are met. My bosses are very flexible with me. They also expect me to step up when the shit hits the fan. I have no problem with this reciprocity.

What's unusual about all this is that I'm not self-employed. I'm an administrator for the public sector in the UK.

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Response to sibelian (Reply #7)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 04:55 PM

28. I've mostly worked with conscientious, hard working people all my life

in many different jobs.

most workers don't stink.

if you think they do, maybe there's something wrong with you.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #28)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 05:18 PM

32. There's nothing wrong with me.


I've worked extensively too.

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Response to sibelian (Reply #32)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 05:30 PM

34. most workers stink but you're good and nothing is wrong with you?

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #34)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 05:56 PM

36. Oh, piss off.


If you're not interested in what I think, why are you bothering to speak to me at all?

Welcome to my ignore list.

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Response to sibelian (Reply #36)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 06:25 PM

38. let me get this straight, you say most workers "stink", based on most people who worked with you

and you are insulted that i challenged that and insulted that i suggested your thinking that says more about you than the people you've worked with?

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #38)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 08:28 PM

40. Why are you always attacking other DUers?

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Response to Skip Intro (Reply #40)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 08:58 PM

41. i thought i was defending American workers against a broad brush attack

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #41)

Mon Mar 11, 2013, 09:42 AM

43. Why are you always defending American workers against a broad brush attack?

That's so typical of you, cjeekdgg.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 01:25 AM

8. link please

I hate searching through Huffpo, aka repub lite

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Response to Dash87 (Reply #17)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 11:20 AM

20. telling quote

"The emphasis over the past years has been on high tech skills like math and science for workers, but what's missing in the discussion is the ability to communicate and make key decisions at lower levels,"

In other words, all you BASTARD CEOS that love making school cut their arts and music programs are reaping the fruit.

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #20)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 05:52 PM

35. perhaps when all the textbooks show adam and eve riding dinosaurs.....

workers will stink less.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 05:35 AM

9. And of TPP goes through

They will be exporting jobs like we have never seen before.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 07:24 AM

12. You pretend to pay us..

... and we pretend to work.

On a more serious note - most large companies wring the common sense out of all of their workers by having policies, procedures and practices for every damn little thing and if you are going to micromanage us don't be surprised when we follow your stupid-assed rules and take no initiative to do the obvious at the risk of losing our job.

American management sucks, period.

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Response to sendero (Reply #12)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 10:43 AM

19. Amen and Double Amen.

These days, if a large corporation is surviving at all, I'm convinced it's because of luck and inertia. It sure as hell isn't because of the class of "management" TPTB have been nurturing for the last thirty years.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 07:36 AM

14. The...fucking...gall

Jesus Christ, this is some fucking galling-ass hypocrisy. Americans are the hardest working peeps
in the industrialized world, stats show we are the most productive. Our CEOs, on the other hand, are jagoffs.
I cannot process how galling this statement is. FUCK!

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Response to PopeOxycontinI (Reply #14)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 06:31 PM

39. No shit!!!

They are wringing out more work than ever from the fewest number of workers, yet it's the workers who suck??? Who the fuck are they trying to kid???

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #39)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 09:46 PM

42. Well, I know after 40 years

I am tired when I get up in the morning,
I am tired at work,
I am tired when I get home in the evening,
and I am tired over the weekend.

But I think it will be worse for the younger workers,
because the future looks terrible from where I sit.

I wonder, what are you going to do,
and how could my generation help?

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 07:37 AM

15. American Workers: "American CEOs Stink" nt

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 07:59 AM

16. They don't stink. They're just hungry and tired because they need to work two jobs just to put

food on the table. That is if they are lucky enough to find two jobs.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 08:29 AM

18. Anything other than utter devotion to the company is not enough for some.

That means pretty much throwing your life away to work 14 hours / day (at least), and live and breath work for a meager salary. Have a family? Well, they're just secondary to your real life, work.

Um... No thanks.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 03:03 PM

22. Funny, the CEO of this company thinks the exact opposite:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100538450?__source=xfinity%7Cmod&par=xfinity

When was the last time you heard this in an American factory?

"I've been here 26 years in June," Mark Lovell says, leaning toward me as telling a secret, "and I've never seen a layoff, ever."
Lovell is confident that the 70 workers on his production line will always have good-paying jobs, because no one competes with a machine. Whenever a task is automated, the employee who performed it is trained for another one worth equivalent pay....

snip


"The notion of sending your quality, outsourcing your quality halfway around the world," Craigie says, "is unthinkable."

Yeah American workers suck, that's why companies like Zildjian and Costco have almost no employee turnover.

It's not that "American workers suck" it's that American workers are smart enough to know when they are getting screwed. Why do you think education is under attack. Because they want a stupid, docile workforce. As Carlin said, "they want workers smart enough to push the buttons and pull the levers but too stupid to realize they are getting screwed over.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 03:27 PM

23. American CEOs stink. CEO to worker pay: 475:1.

They treat us like shit, we get paid shit. We get no benefits. Healthcare costs a fortune. And they're mad because we're speaking up? They make money hand over fist!: argh:

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 04:36 PM

25. Blessed be The Job Creatorsİ

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 04:52 PM

27. Common Sense?

COMMON SENSE!!!!

In my workplace if you use common sense you are usually in trouble. Common sense is not rewarded, it is punished. Give me a job where you want common sense and I will happily use it. Common sense.....

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 04:59 PM

29. Time to go the way of France.

 



Off with his head.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 05:04 PM

30. Free trade

 

Enables them to compare a Mexican, Chinese, Indian, Canadian, or American worker as if they were all a commodity.

As a commodity on the world market american workers suck. The only way to stop the commodification of the american worker is to stop "free trade". Why would any "Boss/CEO/Owner" invest in a US plant and american workers when doing it overseas, with no regulation, a cheap disposable workforce, including shipping is much more profitable. With no taxes or tariffs to level the playing field the american worker will always cost more for less.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 05:26 PM

33. American workers- "American CEO'S Really Are the DEVIL"

What is more awful right now in America ? Being a CEO or a Cardinal ? Sorry I don't want to offend those with strong believes , but any of them who are old enough to be Cardinals have seen so much abuse, it's undeniable.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Sun Mar 10, 2013, 06:14 PM

37. From personal experience

upper management stinks most of the time and earned their positions through ass kissing and nepotism. They also seem to think a person should take on more responsibility and perform 3 or more times the work for static or low wages. In effect they want something for nothing and when they can't get that they use that as a excuse for outsourcing and insourcing for cheaper labor. I've seen some extremely good workers get looked over for promotion or hounded out of a job by a lot of know nothing, overpaid, useless, desk fliers.


The problen with our corporations is that they have no sense of economic patriotism for the country that gave them the tools to start with. It all boils down to their own bottom lines. I look at other westernized countries and they don't treat their worker's like throw away trash. The sad part is a certain part of the workforce tries to identify with the CEO's to the detriment of themselves and their fellow workers.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Mon Mar 11, 2013, 11:31 AM

44. So let's think about this...

You work at a company whose CEO says that "American workers sink". Huh, I don't know about you, but that kind of statement doesn't motivate me to do a better job.

perhaps the control freak CEO needs to, I don't know, work on his people skills, and not insult people. He would be surprised at what might happen. I know call me crazy.

These kinds of statements by those in power usually are a reflection of themselves rather than the people around them.

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Response to TheMastersNemesis (Original post)

Mon Mar 11, 2013, 11:54 AM

45. Well Mexicans hang more rock

When working for a Hangman it's important to Not give him/her the rope.

I was reading about Drywall hangers on DU some time back. A comment in the linked Press article had a quote about Mexican crews hung more sheets of drywall in an average shift than a US crew.

Sometimes a little self reflection doesn't hurt. What is the unique value of myself and my coworkers? Stupid managers will continue to do stupid things, but we don't have to make their stupidity any easier for them.

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