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Fri Jan 27, 2012, 02:52 PM

My response to "rape is a gift" Rick Santorum

Here's a petition to ignorant control-freak Rick Santorum regarding his remarks about pregnancy and rape: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/3/dont-punish-rape-with-pregnancy/

My response (somewhere in the petition many pages back and I've edited it a bit since):

You know, it's just too bad that men can't become pregnant after rape or incest. I highly suspect they'd be singing a different tune if they could.

Let's have a closer look at the men behind the war on women, shall we Mr. Santorum?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/01/the-men-behind-the-war-on_n_1069406.html

It's unfortunate Mr. Santorum, that you’d rather be right than be compassionate. That you'd rather be right than solve problems. That you would rather oppose abortion than prevent it. And you do NOT prevent it by outlawing it. In fact, a recent study has shown that in countries who outlaw abortion, the actual rate of abortion INCREASES.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/18/abortion-rates-higher-countries-illegal-study_n_1215045.html

As far as what's medically safer for women (not that you care about that), it's actually medically safer for a woman to have an abortion then to go through childbirth.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/01/24/abortion-safer-than-giving-birth-study-says/

Here's a very enlightening article about how conservative Christianity's obsessions actually *promote* abortion:

http://www.alternet.org/story/153869/3_Ways_Conservative_Christianity%27s_Obsessions_Promote_Abortions/

A quote from one of the above articles:

"The most effective way to reduce abortion is to de-stigmatize sexual education, de-mythologize virginity, and invest in broad access to the most effective contraceptives available. In the highly secular Netherlands, that formula has knocked abortion down to 7 per 1000 women annually, one third the U.S. rate. So why does the Religious Right keep their focus on restrictive laws instead of contraceptive access? Why do they promote person-rights for zygotes, in contradiction to the very essence of personhood? Why do they oppose medically accurate sex ed? Why do they pledge to defund Title X family planning?"

I'll tell you why Mr. Santorum. It's because you care more about being "right" than about human rights. You care more about controlling women than about compassion. You are not interested in PREVENTING abortion, Mr. Santorum. You are only interested in opposing it. And those are two very different things with two very different motives behind it.

You cannot control the behavior of other people when it comes to personal decisions like abortion, as vehemently as you may try. There is ONE person's behavior you can control. YOURS. And you need to talk to a psychiatrist about your pathological need to control others' personal decisions.

Isn't it odd that once a baby is detached from a woman's body, that you no longer care about that baby anymore? It's only when the baby is attached to a woman's womb that you "care" about that baby. Isn't it interesting how you parasitically attach yourself to a woman's womb and her physical ability to reproduce as a means of controlling her?

Because that's what this is about: Controlling women. It's not about "protecting innocent lives". If you cared about "innocent lives", you'd be railing against the millions of "innocent lives" that were taken in Iraq, many of them children and babies. If you cared about "innocent lives", you'd be promoting programs to end child poverty and child abuse here in the U.S.

But you don't . . . you don't because you don't care about "protecting innocent lives". You care about controlling women. You care about opposing abortion, NOT preventing abortion. You just want control, not prevention.

You are only hurting your alleged "cause", as the facts and recent research clearly show. You will never win the control you crave over women, Mr. Santorum. Never. And you need help for your pathological obsession. Please get it soon.

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Reply My response to "rape is a gift" Rick Santorum (Original post)
ProfessionalLeftist Jan 2012 OP
Whisp Jan 2012 #1
riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #2
Initech Jan 2012 #3
ProfessionalLeftist Jan 2012 #4
Initech Jan 2012 #5
Honeycombe8 Jan 2012 #6
ProfessionalLeftist Jan 2012 #7
hyphenate Jan 2012 #21
arely staircase Jan 2012 #8
markpkessinger Jan 2012 #9
Zalatix Jan 2012 #10
Tumbulu Jan 2012 #11
justiceischeap Jan 2012 #16
CousinIT Jan 2012 #23
Liberal_in_LA Jan 2012 #12
rustydog Jan 2012 #13
DCKit Jan 2012 #14
Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2012 #15
justiceischeap Jan 2012 #17
Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2012 #19
madokie Jan 2012 #18
ProfessionalLeftist Jan 2012 #20
CousinIT Jan 2012 #22
RKP5637 Feb 2012 #24

Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 02:57 PM

1. hearty K&R. very well said.

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 03:00 PM

2. A huge K&R! Bravo!!

I LOVE IT.

"Because that's what this is about: Controlling women. It's not about "protecting innocent lives". If you cared about "innocent lives", you'd be railing against the millions of "innocent lives" that were taken in Iraq, many of them children and babies. If you cared about "innocent lives", you'd be promoting programs to end child poverty and child abuse here in the U.S.

But you don't . . . you don't because you don't care about "protecting innocent lives". You care about controlling women. You care about opposing abortion, NOT preventing abortion. You just want control, not prevention. "

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 03:29 PM

3. It's about control and ego - two things commonly associated with the Xtian right.

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Response to Initech (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:31 PM

4. GRRR! They need to get over themselves

and people need to call them on their crap. I really wish somebody would do a primetime segment on this. All these articles, facts and research and all these inconsistencies in their pretentious bullshit arguments need to be called out. Of course I know it'll never happen.

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:37 PM

5. I totally agree. The Xtian right is insane.

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:39 PM

6. I do understand, I think, what he meant.

I've always thought that if a person is pro-life & views abortion as murder of an innocent person, then they should also take taht view in cases of incest and rape. Abortion from a pregnancy resulting from incest and rape is STILL murder, under a pro-lifer's original argument.

I've thought before that a pro-lifer having exceptions for incest and rape was a political statement because it sounds so cruel to a pregnant girl who has been the victim of incest.

I don't agree with those views. I am pro-choice. I didn't hear ALL of what Santorum said, but what I did hear makes more sense to me than what I usu. hear pro-life politicians say. His view is more in keeping with a pro-life view & lends authenticity to it, IMO.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:50 PM

7. Not sure how something so pretentious, inconsistent and hypocritical can

have any authenticity to it but let's say it does. It's still (just IMO) psychopathic, flippant, and seeks to control others to an extent that is humanely unacceptable. Rape, for that matter is a form of murder of an innocent person as well - they may not physically die but certainly that person (and women are persons) will never, ever exist again as she did before the rape. To flippantly say that intense emotional and physical damage - that violent theft of the woman's very humanity - should be compounded by subsequently forcing the woman to bear (and potentially raise) the resultant child, is just beyond inhumane.

It's odd that the woman's life, innocence, and pain is simply never considered in the minds of these control freaks. Pro-life my a$$. Pro *whose* life?

Why aren't these people over in Iraq taking care of all those orphaned children we created over there if they're so concerned about "innocent persons"? Because after they're born, they don't give a rat about them anymore. I find that - well, odd.

Nope. Doesn't add up. Except for one thing: they crave control over that which they have no business trying to control.

Ugh.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 01:02 PM

21. One of the many factors involved

in this war over our right to control our own bodies is language. Many of us will not allow the RR to frame the language, and this means that connotations must change.

These terrorists of women's rights can NOT say "pro-life" and get aw with it, because they are NOT pro-life--they are "anti-choice." When the language is phrased thusly, it shows more truth about them and their motives, and takes them to the bottom rung of the ladder, not exalted to a higher one.

If ALL women took this framing message to the rest of the country, things would likely change, showing these batshit crazies are really anti-women, anti-choice, anti-everything that helps us be more progressive.

In fact, the effect that different language might have on all debate in general could be an excellent one--consider: anti-peace, anti-immigration, anti-human rights, anti-99%, anti-humanitarian, anti-evolution, anti-ecological, anti-American dream, anti-tolerant, etc. I think it's essential that we understand the rules of engagement, and turn the harsh lighting back on them instead, and show them for the Nazis they really are.

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:52 PM

8. this part is especially right on target

"Isn't it odd that once a baby is detached from a woman's body, that you no longer care about that baby anymore? It's only when the baby is attached to a woman's womb that you "care" about that baby. Isn't it interesting how you parasitically attach yourself to a woman's womb and her physical ability to reproduce as a means of controlling her?"

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 09:54 PM

9. Excellent! n/t

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:00 PM

10. My response to Santorum:

 

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:15 PM

11. and so according the the article by Fox news

the mortality rate for having a baby exceeds all service member serving even Iraq and Afghanistan- yikes!

"Dr. Elizabeth Raymond from Gynuity Health Projects in New York City and Dr. David Grimes of the University of North Carolina School of Medicine, Chapel Hill, found that between 1998 and 2005, one woman died during childbirth for every 11,000 or so babies born"

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/01/24/abortion-safer-than-giving-birth-study-says/#ixzz1kidGCvh0

The current mortality rate for infantrymen serving in Iraq and Afghanistan is 7/100,000 and 64/ 100,000 respectively.

And so this jerk wants women to endure a higher than combat risk of mortality because HE THINKS that is how it should be?



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Response to Tumbulu (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 08:30 AM

16. We should get "risk" pay like they do in the military... um...

they still combat pay, right?

this is btw

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Response to Tumbulu (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 01:17 PM

23. Holy crap

That's astounding.

I don't think Santorum does a lot of thinking. I saw something here on DU yesterday or so that said something to the effect of:

"I believe in morality, which is doing what's right, regardless what I'm told - not religion, which is doing what I'm told, regardless what is right" . . .

The patriarchal authoritarian automaton mindset of some extremist religious sects doesn't promote much thought. Obviously. And of course if HIS daughter was raped, you can bet that would be "different".

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:31 PM

12. I can't believe he said that. omg

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:38 PM

13. Excellent post K&R

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 06:41 AM

14. Ricky has "Mommy" issues, clearly. nt

 

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 08:25 AM

15. *SMH*

How could having an abortion after being raped be any more emotionally traumatizing/scarring for a woman than knowing you're carrying your rapist's baby and, more importantly, that that same person that raped you is now "linked" with you vis a vis the child for the rest of your life? Santorum obviously doesn't understand the wider implications of what he is saying. There's more involved with having children than just gestating them in a woman's body and delivering them but I'm sure that people like Santorum are either unwilling and/or unable to understand it.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #15)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 08:36 AM

17. Obviously, you don't get "it"

These girls or women can carry the babies to term, then put them up for adoption because there just aren't enough (white) babies to be adopted by loving families. It doesn't matter if these children have to go into (state funded) foster care for the rest of their lives if not adopted. Maybe they'll get lucky and not end up in a foster home where bad things happen to them. Maybe once they find out that their granddaddy is their daddy too (or their pop is a rapist), they won't have emotional issues that plague them and future relationships for the rest of their lives.

See, it all works out perfectly for that spared life once the anti-choicer's see them through birth and then don't give a shit about them afterwards.

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #17)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 09:02 AM

19. I cannot possibly imagine

The psychological trauma these children experience when they someday find out that they were conceived via rape and that their "fathers" were loathsome sexual offenders of the worst sort has to be devastating (and some people might think the worst thing you would ever have to tell a child is that they are adopted). Is Ricky also in favor of these "Daddy Rapists" visiting and/or having legal rights to these children when they (eventually) get out of jail (if they are even prosecuted in the first place)? After all, he and his ilk believe in the innate supremacy of "intact" two parent heterosexual families, right? Has he ever met any of these children? Has he ever met any women whom say that they are "proud" of the fact that they decided to have their rapist's baby?

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 08:42 AM

18. Well said

Its all about the control of women and nothing about the life of a child.
I'm atheist so I don't have the credentials to call him what he really is and you all know what that is.

peace

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 09:32 AM

20. NC GOP: Hanging for abortionists

Here's what I mean. They call themselves "pro-life" but they want to KILL anyone they disagree with and brand them criminals, even when what they're doing is perfectly legal.

http://www.care2.com/causes/north-carolina-gop-public-hanging-for-abortionists.html

And again, they're not interested in preventing abortion or doing anything to prevent it. They just want control. Specifically, over women. And if they have to kill someone to get it, they will!

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Reply #20)

Sat Jan 28, 2012, 01:08 PM

22. That explains why they're often called...

"The American Taliban"

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Response to ProfessionalLeftist (Original post)

Sat Feb 4, 2012, 04:20 PM

24. K&R !!! n/t

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