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Sun Jan 27, 2013, 05:07 AM

Conservatives want to turn red states into North Korea

@MickWoof Red States looking more & more like NKorea. Loaded down with weapons, no healthcare, education or food, & women silenced.

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Reply Conservatives want to turn red states into North Korea (Original post)
eridani Jan 2013 OP
stultusporcos Jan 2013 #1
Ilsa Jan 2013 #4
stultusporcos Jan 2013 #10
Ilsa Jan 2013 #13
stultusporcos Jan 2013 #17
AnnieK401 Jan 2013 #16
greenman3610 Jan 2013 #27
pampango Jan 2013 #15
Lesmoderesstupides Jan 2013 #21
pampango Jan 2013 #23
blkmusclmachine Jan 2013 #2
davidpdx Jan 2013 #3
eridani Jan 2013 #5
davidpdx Jan 2013 #7
JI7 Jan 2013 #6
Fumesucker Jan 2013 #8
davidpdx Jan 2013 #9
eridani Jan 2013 #11
davidpdx Jan 2013 #14
mwb970 Jan 2013 #18
eridani Jan 2013 #12
GoCubsGo Jan 2013 #19
KG Jan 2013 #20
Dawgs Jan 2013 #22
SidDithers Jan 2013 #24
baldguy Jan 2013 #25
southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #26
Frustratedlady Jan 2013 #28
obliviously Jan 2013 #29

Response to eridani (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 05:14 AM

1. Well if they would just stay in their states and were cut off from everyone else

 

just like N Korea, I would not have a problem with it.

The problem results when they come out of their red states and force their nonsense on the rest of us.

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Response to stultusporcos (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 06:31 AM

4. No, the problem is that there

Is a minority of us in red states who despise their bullshit, but they want to force it on us, too. We are doing everything we can to resist and throw up legal challenges, but the gop do outnumber us.

And don't tell me to move. I have a home and family here. Our work is here, too.

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 06:43 AM

10. If you stay you very well may be a minority for a long time.

 


Good luck with your choice.

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Response to stultusporcos (Reply #10)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 06:48 AM

13. We need more democrats to move in.

And for some of us, who have a special needs child, having family available is a necessity. You can call it a choice, but the reality is that without family, our lives would derail. Some choice.

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #13)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 07:25 AM

17. Good luck with getting Dems to move in

 

I am sorry about your situation and it sounds like only a federal solution will assist with your child’s needs because your state is not interested in helping those who need the most help.

It would be nice if the Democrats in Congress had at least some power in Congress to help those who need the most help.

Have you looked at what whout be available to you if you moved, you may not have to depend on family.

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 07:14 AM

16. I understand. I lived in GA most of my life even though I'm very liberal.

It's often very difficult to move. Where we chose to live often involves family ties, jobs, where we grew up and what we are familiar with, etc. not just politics. Still, I know living under Republican legislators can be very difficult.

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 09:16 AM

27. the terrifying prospect is their plan to take over majority blue states

like Michigan, and impose the theocratic minority rule on the rest of us.

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Response to stultusporcos (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 07:13 AM

15. If they would just keep the repression in NK (or a red state), "I would not have a problem with it"?

Repression anywhere is a bad thing. Just because it does not affect me directly right now is not a good reason for me to ignore it and go about my own life. (They came for the Jews and I said nothing because I'm not Jewish, ...)

If it were me being repressed I would appreciate the rest of the world trying to do something about it rather than saying "At least that's not me living in that red state (or in North Korea)." There may or may not be anything effective that others can do for me at a particular point in time but I would at least appreciate that they did not just accept my fate and move on.

I agree that red state republicans exporting their repression (as they are fond of doing) to the rest of us makes things even worse than keeping it within the borders of their own states. (Similarly Kim and his buddies would love to export their wonderful style of government southward which would make things even worse.) Rather than writing off victims of repression in red states or North Korea it is in our long term interests to look for ways to support them. That may be difficult (or even impossible) to do effectively right now but we should not stop caring.

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Response to pampango (Reply #15)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 08:17 AM

21. So are you saying that Liberals need to invade the Red States to implement Regime

 

Change just like the federal goverment does all over the world today?

The people of the state need to help themselves first, why are they not in the streets?

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Response to Lesmoderesstupides (Reply #21)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 08:47 AM

23. That's exactly what I meant by "That (ways to support them) may be difficult (or even impossible)

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to do effectively right now but we should not stop caring."

Others would take that to mean that we should not stop looking for ways to help the repressed even if we can't do anything effective to do for them right now. You are very perceptive.

"Caring" does not mean "invading", it means caring about those who are repressed and helping if you can figure out a way to do it.

To a typical neocon, it might seem logical that if you 'care' you must be willing to 'invade' to prove that you 'care'. Fortunately, you and I do not fall into that category. For liberals caring and searching for a way to help those who are repressed (even if 'invading' is off the table) is part of who we are, IMHO.

Prior to the Civil Rights era, I don't remember liberals taking the position that Blacks in the South needed to help themselves first (a version of the 'bootstrap' philosophy) before we would consider any 'caring' that we might extend to them. You are right in the sense that effective civil rights change did not occur until Blacks 'took to the streets', but there were Northern liberals who did 'invade' the South (freedom riders and others) prior to that. And Eisenhower did 'invade' Little Rock, Arkansas in 1957 with the National Guard to force school desegregation.

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 05:29 AM

2. Christian Dominionists want this too. I believe they operate the Prayer Breakfasts in DC.

I read that they have ties to the Kill The Gays bill in Uganda.

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 06:28 AM

3. I think the North Korea comparison is a little overboard

Nothing could really compare to how bad North Korea is. I've done extensive reading and heard testimony from refugees that were in gulags. I'm sure there are countries in the Middle East that are closer to dictatorships that would be a better example.

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 06:32 AM

5. The OP didn't say that things actually were that bad here--just that conservatives want it to be

Poor, sick, stupid and very heavily armed is their ideal society.

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Response to eridani (Reply #5)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 06:38 AM

7. I agree with the premise

They are becoming "cult" like. Just the example is a little out there.

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 06:33 AM

6. if conservatives had their way it wouldn't be much different.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 06:40 AM

8. They would have Jeebus

And that would make all the difference.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 06:41 AM

9. Like I said above I agree that conservative want those things

But as I said in my first reply, North Korea is a nightmare I don't know that any of us could imagine.

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 06:45 AM

11. Now why does that remind me of the Depression Era novel "It Can't Happen Here"? n/t

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Response to eridani (Reply #11)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 06:53 AM

14. Didn't say that

I'm saying I don't think the comparison is way out there. Have you read books on North Korea or White Papers on what have been done to refugees or heard the testimony of refugees? The media in the US doesn't do justice in terms of telling Americans what is going on there.

Go read a bit and then come back and talk to me about the comparison.

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 08:10 AM

18. They remind me more of the Taliban.

Their social agenda is almost identical, and both groups hate America's president. No rights for women or gays, religion in charge of government - what exactly is the difference? And who exactly is America's #1 enemy? The far-off Taliban or the gun-toting Obama hater next door?

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 06:46 AM

12. One more Twit weighing in--

‏@TheDailyEdge
Hey Bobby Jindal, telling the GOP to stop being the stupid party is like telling Starbucks to stop serving coffee #itswhattheyreknownfor

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 08:12 AM

19. Except that...

...I don't the average citizen in North Korea is loaded down with weapons, like they are here. Just the government.

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 08:16 AM

20. conservatives wouldn't like the society they wish to form, esp when all the rules apply to them also

then who would they blame.

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 08:27 AM

22. Democrats are doing there best to make sure the same happens in the "blue states".

Unless PA, NJ, WI, MI, and OH are no longer blue. Shit, even MA looks like they would rather have Scott Brown over a Democrat.

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 08:49 AM

24. Someone should be along soon to compare North Korea to Baltimore...

though that didn't work out so well for her the last time.

Sid

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 08:50 AM

25. Not to mention having everyone living in fear.

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 08:58 AM

26. I like the observation. Truely fits.

 

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 09:35 AM

28. Then, they would hire Blackwater-types to do their fighting for them.

They are full of hot air. Those rich politicians couldn't survive without kickbacks/under-the-table thank yous for all the sneaky favors they've pulled.

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Sun Jan 27, 2013, 10:05 AM

29. If we could get them all on public assistant that would stop.

There is more irony in that then well water in a fracking field.

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