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Tue Jan 22, 2013, 06:25 AM

Carlos Miller gets roughed up again in Miami for taking pictures

GAWD BLESS UHMERIKA!

http://www.photographyisnotacrime.com/



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Reply Carlos Miller gets roughed up again in Miami for taking pictures (Original post)
RandiFan1290 Jan 2013 OP
FarPoint Jan 2013 #1
RandiFan1290 Jan 2013 #3
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RandiFan1290 Jan 2013 #6
FarPoint Jan 2013 #9
Earth_First Jan 2013 #11
Earth_First Jan 2013 #14
backscatter712 Jan 2013 #97
FarPoint Jan 2013 #103
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FarPoint Jan 2013 #117
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FarPoint Jan 2013 #18
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demwing Jan 2013 #35
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backscatter712 Jan 2013 #92
proud2BlibKansan Jan 2013 #110
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senseandsensibility Jan 2013 #118
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Response to RandiFan1290 (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 06:33 AM

1. I don't see the rationale for Carlos's antics.

Seems like he forced the confrontation. I'm more interested in unprovoked harassment issues with law enforcement. I don't support a set-up. No accolades from me.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 06:49 AM

3. Yeah. He would have been better off if he just kept his mouth shut

and obeyed like a good American! So what if they didn't do anything wrong.

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #3)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 06:51 AM

4. A set-up is weak....It has no impact...

It has no power. Attention seeking behavior is childish.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 06:53 AM

6. You are assuming he was setting it up

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #6)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:02 AM

9. I assume nothing.

Carlos even introduced the planned outcome in the video.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:06 AM

11. I guess I'm going to have to watch again...

I must have missed it.

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #11)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:08 AM

14. Still do not see it...

Care to spell it out for me?

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #9)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 05:10 PM

97. Let me guess, MLK Jr. was an attention-whore, making a "setup" in Selma?

Oooh, confronting police violating civil rights and anticipating them becoming violent? How "childish and attention-seeking".

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #97)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 05:58 PM

103. Have you no shame?

I'm offended by your MLK reference. I refer to a lame video and call it manipulation ..you find it perfectly reasonable to insult Martin Luther King.
That is shameful behavior in my house..

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #103)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 06:09 PM

106. What's shameful about it.

I compared two people standing up for their civil rights, who were unjustly attacked by law enforcement for it.

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #106)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:16 PM

117. My point is how Carlos set-up the confrontation for his own gains.

I'm not addressing the issue of the arrest/ removal from the Metro platform or the officers...

I think it was a cheap, manipulative act on his part. He staged the event....He was not taking pictures for his personal use or desire when all of the sudden the officers surprisingly confront him for taking pictures which they say is against rules/law... If it had happened in that fashion, it would be credible and worthy of outrage.

Carlos did it this premeditated act just to evoke the confrontation. That is a set-up. It apparently is something he has done before, so he accomplished his mission, to make a scene and provide such on video for YouTube and DU'ers to give him accolades. I call it impotent.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 06:55 AM

7. I don't see a "setup" here...

In the video you will see that the transit cop says that he believes that Miller has been drinking.

Miller responds "Yes, I have been that's why we're taking the Metro" (paraphrased)

So it sounds to me like Miller, a professional photographer; saw a nice shot while waiting for the Metro, and was harassed while getting a few photographs.

Where is the setup?

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 01:03 PM

67. What setup are you referring to?

Or are you just doing some cop ass-kissing? The cops get enough support of their own, they don't need folks like you excusing their illegal and abhorrent activity. Rights don't do any good if they're not exercised. And excusing illegal activities by cops is more than just childish, it's unamerican.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 06:52 AM

5. Sounds to me like you need to get your laws/facts sorted out...

There was absolutely nothing, nada, zilch that Miller was doing illegal on that platform.

By the way, Miller has a pending civil suit against the Miami-Dade PD after his case with Miami-Dade PD's Chief of Police was brought back not guilty.

You simply cannot refuse the right of a photographer the right to photograph a public building or infrastructure. Period. There's no debate.

You say Miller was being confrontational, setting this up? I see that he was defending his rights to do what he is within every legal right to do.

I'm very willing to be that Miller is vindicated (again) in this situation...

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #5)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 06:59 AM

8. Carlos went there for a confrontation...He wanted this to happen deliberately...it was his mission.

He is indeed a menace. Makes it worse and diminishes events for those who truly suffer from harassment.

Attention seeking faux drama.

" Me, Me...over here!"...."Come get me...I'm taking a picture...hey, over here ...look a t me". Then posts a video of the fixed event.

Yea...right Carlos....

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:04 AM

10. You know this *how* from that video?

"Because he said look here they come, over here..."

If that's the leg you are standing on that this is being setup; it's a weak leg to stand upon.

At the point where the transit authority was dispatched, when transit authority was visibly present in this situation; Miller was legally responsible for maintaining his presence until "Am I being detained?" is/was determined.

Still, there is nothing illegal prior to the scuffle on the escalator.

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:15 AM

15. None of this was unprompted by Carlos...

He sets the scene, night time hours just to promote his lawsuit and strategy.

He had the camera rolling and looking for the Officers, filmed the displayed no smoking sign, rules before he was ever approached....He set the viewer up for an expected confrontation due to rule violation. Come on for crying out loud....this was his mission...self promotional, victimization fraud.

It's dishonest.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #15)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:20 AM

17. He filmed what rules? No smoking?

What "rules" did Miller film here?

Sets the scene? Being out at night sets the scene to promote, what exactly?

I was under the impression that an individual was guaranteed the right to move freely whenever one wanted...what difference does the time of day make here?

NONE.

He had his camera rolling. Yes, any citizen who knows their rights would also be well advised to do so.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:07 AM

12. Even if everything you say is true ... so what?

A member of the public, in a public place, taking a picture of public property should never be prevented from doing so or arrested for it. Period.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:23 AM

18. I place a set-up like this under the

"Get Punked" catagory. ...It's self promoting.

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #19)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:29 AM

21. I think they are upset the entire ecounter is on video

If they tape started when the "guards" approached Carlos then the excuse would be... "Well, we didn't see what happened before this"

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #21)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:31 AM

25. That's usually how it works...

The power of "what we didn't see" is being invoked here.

PATHETIC.

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #25)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:37 AM

30. No....

it's the fraud that is disturbing.

If you believe this video was not a planned outcome/ set-up....then you must believe reality TV isn't fixed either....like Honey Boo Boo..?

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #30)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:39 AM

31. So the guards were in on it?

You seem to be really confused.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #30)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:54 AM

35. Disturbing to you

But you seem to be alone in this belief

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Response to demwing (Reply #35)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:02 AM

38. It is a manipulative video.

I understand his concerns....I disapprove of how he manipulates the outcome....Maybe I can look outside the box better than most.

Maybe I empathise more for real victims verses this weak display by Carlos.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #38)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:09 AM

42. Maybe you're just better than everyone else

Or maybe you're just tilting at windmills?

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Response to demwing (Reply #42)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 04:57 PM

92. Don't expect these authoritarian fuckstains to have the capacity for making sense.

He's upset because his cop fuckbuddies were caught yet again being abusive, and can't handle being made to look like the fascist trash they are.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #30)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 06:47 PM

110. What about Rosa Parks? Did you know that she planned what she did on that bus?

It wasn't just a spur of the moment decision.

Do you consider what she did to be fraudulent?

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #110)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 06:49 PM

111. Oh, that's right, this was a planned confrontation!

She planned it out with the NAACP! Didn't you know, she's a fraud! Civil-disobedience and challenging abusive authority is just attention-whoring!

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #111)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 06:51 PM

112. Remember when Carlos was a hero here on DU?

How times have changed.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #112)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 06:54 PM

114. I think of him as a hero.

It's disgusting that some here don't...

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #112)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:21 PM

118. What was his DU nom de plum?

I can't recall. But I do recall that he was a frequent poster here.

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Response to senseandsensibility (Reply #118)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:31 PM

120. Raging in Miami

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #18)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:32 AM

26. Again - SO WHAT? If anything, self promotion is protected by the 1st Amendment.

And what he's actually doing is exposing the stupidity of stupid laws - or, actually "policies" that aren't really laws at all.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #26)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:53 AM

34. It is protected.

Carlos is a drama seeker. Diminishes real events that require our attention....Carlos essentially punked the Metro Officers.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #34)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:57 AM

36. Just admit you don't like Carlos

Instead of playing silly kid games

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #36)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:05 AM

39. You read way too much into my posts.

I don't even know Carlos.

snip>

"Just admit you don't like Carlos"

His video....it is manipulative.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #34)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 06:05 PM

104. Oh bullshit, they punked themselves

No one forced them to go up to Carlos and deny his right to film in a public place. You would have made a great German back in the old days.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #26)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 09:16 AM

52. That was the point I was going to make.

 

Doesn't matter. What he was doing was legal. The security really had no business harassing him, except for intimidation purposes.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #12)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:33 AM

27. We don't know if he was arrested from the video.

He was removed from the area is all we know.

I don't like traps....this style just diminishes real abuse events that really should be video logged.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #27)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:36 AM

28. And cops arresting people for violating non-existant laws isn't abuse or entrapment?

C'mon.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #27)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 05:20 PM

98. Freedom is not a trap

Even though fascists often feel threatened in its presence.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:07 AM

13. Yes, it's so inconvenient for the authorities when someone has a video of them misbehaving

Far better that they illegally harass people who are not prepared for the confrontation.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #8)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:31 AM

24. Never doubt DU's ability to side with authority.

Remember when this place was always on the liberal side?

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Response to TransitJohn (Reply #24)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:58 AM

37. Seems DU *IS* on the right side of this

And a lone -- but vocal-- complainer sees it differently.

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Response to TransitJohn (Reply #24)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:09 AM

41. I'm not siding with authorities....

not even close. I don't buy the video content as being a naturally occurring event...it was a predictable outcome by the videographer....this discredits real abuses.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #41)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 09:13 AM

49. Yes, you are siding with the authorities

The authorities claimed it was illegal to take photos of the track. This seems a pointless law, if it really exists (they never tell Miller what the law is, despite repeated requests to do so), and then arrest him (yes, putting someone in handcuffs is arresting them - if not, then it's illegal imprisonment), for a 'code 35', which appears to be a claim he is drunk. But they started the confrontation.

Miller may well have taken the film hoping to get the guards to try and stop him - because he is peacefully protesting a law, or one interpretation of a law, he (and most of us) see as stupid and authoritarian. This does not 'discredit' anything. It may not be the worst abuse of rights in the world, but it's still an abuse. By criticising him for peacefully protesting, you are siding with the authorities.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:19 AM

16. Are you fucking serious

I'll say it again---Are you fucking serious..

HE DIDN'T DO A GOD DAMN THING WRONG OR ILLEGAL!

Not one fucking thing wrong and you think he deserved this shit.

Can't take pictures of the track? Where's the law?

Can't drink alcohol? Where's the fucking law?

One more time---ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS!

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Response to trumad (Reply #16)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:28 AM

20. The video rules by the Metro are not where my grief lies at the moment...

It is with the set-up to instigate that is weak and unworthy of the attention. He evoked the confrontation for self serving needs. It equates a prank verses outrage.

This is not how change is made but delayed.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #20)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:30 AM

22. Answer the fucking question

What law did he break?

What fucking law did he break?

If you say none---which I expect you will.... then what you are advocating is the arrest of a U.S Citizen for no reason.

Really---is that you stance here?

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Response to trumad (Reply #22)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:47 AM

32. Read my posts...

My grief is not with rules being broken etc....that issue has been lost by the fact he instigated the confrontation for video purposes. His intention to evoke a scene to support his law suit come to mind...which he identifies in the video.

It is a cheap, weak shot at the Metro Rules for self promotion.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #32)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 09:14 AM

51. so he should have been arrested?

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #32)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 01:37 PM

77. you just referred to the rules and now won't say which ones

if you don't know what you're talking about, nobody is forcing you to talk about it.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #77)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 02:36 PM

79. You and others are addressing rules

I on the other hand am addressing the totality of the video. Carlos pre planned the outcome as he knew what they would do, thus he intended to evoke confrontation. It was more like entertainment instead of discovery and exposure.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #79)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 02:57 PM

80. you did address the rules, but now are wishing that post would go away

because when confronted over which rules you were referring to, you have nothing.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #80)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 05:31 PM

99. I see Carlos's video as a manlipution.

He went to the Metro with intent to make a scene and video the event. Premeditated disturbance for the purpose of YouTube hits.

I respect authentic video clips. This is not even close to a respectable " Gotch ya" style...It was predictable... I can't give this video any credit. Its weak.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #99)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 05:47 PM

102. Your being assumptive. Fail. Opinion by your own logic you should be arrested for PUI.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #20)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:30 AM

23. WHAT RULES AGAINST VIDEO/PHOTOGRAPHY?!

What fucking rules are you talking about?!

Just because a cop SAYS there is a rule; does not make it so.

The Supreme Court ruled that Miller is well within his rights. End of story.

This cop is FULL.OF.SHIT.

Cops lie All.The.Time.

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #23)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:37 AM

29. From the Miami-Dade County Metrorail website:

 

"Taking still, sound or motion picture recordings for commercial, training or educational purposes (exception of news coverage), without prior written authorization by Miami-Dade Transit."

http://www.miamidade.gov/transit/passenger-safety.asp

Not taking any sides here, but it's DHS guidelines they're following.

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #29)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:52 AM

33. Key words

"for commercial, training or educational purposes"

None of those apply in this situation

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #33)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:22 AM

44. More accurately, the security guards had no way of knowing, and assumed the worst.

Ultimately, the video became educational -- but from reading the account, they started out just taking pictures for fun, personal use. Perfectly acceptable under policy.

The guards' behavior was atrocious; they had several opportunities to make the problem go away using something other than their authority to detain, and they chose to escalate the situation at every turn.

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #33)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 05:04 PM

95. I'd say he's educating people about police brutality and repression effectively enough. n/t

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #29)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:22 AM

45. Don't see any references to any video recording or photography for "Personal Use" there.

So it looks like he WAS following their guidelines, and the metro police were ignoring them.

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #29)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 06:23 PM

108. Lol, no.

As the statement clearly states, the only pics not allowed are those for non-personal usage. You can take as many pics as you want for your own use. These thugs in uniform know it, they just don't give a damn. Kudos to Carlos for standing up to their bullshit.

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Response to trumad (Reply #16)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:09 AM

40. It is not legal to take pictures in the subway in NYC and many mass transit places in the US & world

This is part of the changes post 9-11. They are concerned that the pictures may be used in a terrorist plot. That the pictures will give intel about where the vulnerabilities are in the system, where exits are, etc.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #40)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:24 AM

46. Post a link to the NYC law about pictures of the subway being illegal. Because...

I do not think it is true!

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Response to Logical (Reply #46)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 12:47 PM

63. See my #62

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #40)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:26 AM

47. What about in Miami? The incident took place in Miami

 

Can you post a link to show what law this guy was supposedly violating?

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #40)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 11:17 AM

61. That's false, just not true. Here is a list of most US cities and their regs, NY included

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #61)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 12:47 PM

62. Here is the link: http://gothamist.com/2005/01/07/the_history_of_taking_pictures_on_the_subway.php

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #62)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 06:52 PM

113. Wow, that is 7 years old. Here is the real truth and the real link to the MTA rules......

No where does it say filming is not permitted in public areas.

I have no idea where you got your idea it was illegal. Have you been to NYC? People take pictures and video all the time of the subway.

It is 100% legal. Has been for years. Please self delete your old link!

Photography, filming or video recording in any facility or conveyance is permitted except that ancillary equipment such as lights, reflectors or tripods may not be used. Members of the press holding valid identification issued by the New York City Police Department are hereby authorized to use necessary ancillary equipment. All photographic activity must be conducted in accordance with the provisions of this Part.
http://www.mta.info/nyct/rules/rules.htm

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:20 AM

43. Standing up for his rights, what an asshole! LOL n-t

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 01:05 PM

68. Carlos is a former DUer...He's legit

and he's had some disturbing run-ins with Miami-Dade PD before...Go find some of his stuff from a few years back...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #68)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 04:39 PM

88. RagingInMiami is still a registered member here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=157181

He remains a member in good standing, a dedicated liberal activist.

Tho, as it says on his blog page, the mere mention of his name is an anathema to right-wingers down in Miami. And, apparently, that is also true for some right here on DU.

No wonder his posts are now scarce here; who can really blame him?!

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 02:27 PM

78. The cops forced the confrontation.

I know Carlos. He is an activist. I can imagine what you'd say about Rosa Parks.

--imm

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 06:35 AM

2. Remember when you were afraid to photograph your own country? It was not that long

 

ago.

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:34 AM

48. What a moron.

And I mean Carlos.

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Response to greytdemocrat (Reply #48)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 09:13 AM

50. explain please

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Response to greytdemocrat (Reply #54)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 01:14 PM

73. Ahhh, so you support arresting people who annoy you.

I find idiots who don't give a damn about civil liberties to be far more annoying, yet I don't believe they should be incarcerated for being an idiot. You should be glad there are more people like me in this country than people like you.

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Response to greytdemocrat (Reply #54)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 03:21 PM

82. What law did Carlos break?

Can you explain that?

Taking pictures in public of public buildings is not against the law.

And pushing back at trollish security guards who believe that everyone must "Obey my authoritah!" is not being an "attention whore".

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Response to greytdemocrat (Reply #48)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 09:21 AM

53. How so?

Thank you in advance.

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 09:34 AM

55. Carlos is an old DUer

I am appalled that anyone would attack him here. He has established his creds with me after years of challenging cops who try to deny his right to film their behavior. Those criticizing him have zero credibility. They would have been banned as trolls at the old DU. It wouldn't be Carlos defending his actions, that's for sure.

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Response to Generic Other (Reply #55)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 10:30 AM

60. LOL...Here's another that defends his rights

I say more Truthy to Power- (makes for good youtubes )

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #60)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 12:53 PM

65. Here's some truth: I feel less threatened by open carry folks

than I do by concealed carriers of firearms.

However, I wonder why any law enforcement officer or security guard would feel threatened by Carlos Miller and his open-carry camera. Maybe you could explain it to us. Please?

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Response to Heidi (Reply #65)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 01:00 PM

66. most people don't know the law, some of them are supposed to enforce it

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #66)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 01:11 PM

71. Public spaces within plain view can be lawfully photographed.

I'm not sure where you're coming from, but the public record shows that Carlos knows the law and his rights. If Carlos or anyone else lawfully exercising their First Amendment rights is deemed provocative by an LEO, that's LEO's fault, not the photographer's fault.

To photographers, professional or otherwise, who don't know the law and their rights, I recommend:
http://www.aclu.org/free-speech/know-your-rights-photographers

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Response to Heidi (Reply #71)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 01:21 PM

75. I just like the vidoes





educational and entertaining LOL

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #66)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 04:05 PM

85. Carlos knows his rights

He has been being harassed by Miami dade cops for years. And rather than just accepting their BS power trips, he calls them on their behavior. he takes photographs when they rough up protestors, he witnesses for us when they violate our rights. And yet you take the side of the ones in the wrong. Why? Why do you agree to comply with unlawful demands? Are we all just compliant complacent little sheep here or free citizens?

I am disgusted by all the "little Eichmanns" around here. Perfect citizens: Know nothing, hear nothing, do nothing. No questions asked.

To compare a person who takes photographs in public places to a guy who open carries a damn semi-auto assault weapon to a mall is absurd. Next you will argue the guy has a right to shoot the man for taking his photograph.

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Response to Generic Other (Reply #85)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 04:18 PM

86. Sides? I was just posting vidoes lol

check this out!

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #86)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 04:54 PM

91. You create a false equivalency

by comparing Carlos to "another one" who feels the need to defend his rights. Worse, you drew a false comparison to a nut job.

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Response to Generic Other (Reply #91)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 05:05 PM

96. Blah, they are all youtubers trying to get channel views...

He's got 257 videos uploaded...LOL

A star!



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Response to snooper2 (Reply #60)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 05:35 PM

101. What a staggeringly idiotic comparison. (nt)

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Response to Generic Other (Reply #55)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 01:06 PM

69. +1000

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 09:55 AM

56. For those who don't get why what Carlos Miller is doing is important:

From the American Civil Liberties Union:
Taking photographs of things that are plainly visible from public spaces is a constitutional right and that includes federal buildings, transportation facilities, and police and other government officials carrying out their duties. Unfortunately, there is a widespread, continuing pattern of law enforcement officers ordering people to stop taking photographs from public places, and harassing, detaining and arresting those who fail to comply.
http://www.aclu.org/free-speech/know-your-rights-photographers

Plus, Carlos Miller's website: http://www.photographyisnotacrime.com/

And this resource is recommended by DUer Earth_First: http://www.krages.com/ThePhotographersRight.pdf

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Response to Heidi (Reply #56)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 10:21 AM

58. The couple of knuckleheads in this thread who think Carlos deserved this...

Are simply fucking idiots who just are not to bright.

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Response to trumad (Reply #58)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 01:08 PM

70. Not only that, they haven't been on DU long enough to know Carlos

I'd suggest some of these doubters do a quick search in the archives and get up-to-speed...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #70)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 01:13 PM

72. That would require effort, though.

Poor things. Bless their hearts.

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Response to Heidi (Reply #56)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 10:22 AM

59. thanks that is a useful reference

 

I thought it sounded like bullshit, that some are saying it is against the law to take photos. The ACLU rocks, and I trust they are right on this.

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Response to Heidi (Reply #56)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 01:18 PM

74. THANK YOU!

After reading post after post about Carlos Miller inciting his arrest, it is wonderful to have some FACTS posted with links.

Miller's actions were not illegal. Harassment, assault and battery by corporate cops (50 State Security Services Inc is the name of the security firm whose "officers" attacked Mr. Miller - http://50state.com/) is illegal.

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Response to Heidi (Reply #56)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 07:29 PM

116. Isn't it a little hyperbolic to say taking pictures is a constituional right?

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Response to randome (Reply #116)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 08:30 PM

119. It falls under freedom of expression, and freedom of the press.

Last edited Tue Jan 22, 2013, 10:52 PM - Edit history (1)

Is photography not an art form? Is photography not used in journalism? As much as the government would love to be the arbiters of who's officially part of The Press, thus deserving of freedom of the press, and to be able to tell Carlos he's not a Real Journalist, that fact that he takes pictures and videos, then puts them on his blog and broadcasts them on the Internet makes him part of the press, which means he should be getting First Amendment protections.

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Response to randome (Reply #116)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 01:24 AM

121. No. (nt)

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Response to randome (Reply #116)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 03:02 AM

125. Absolutely not. N/T

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 12:52 PM

64. Apparentlly

 

things like this are ok as long as it keeps us "safe."

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 01:34 PM

76. Submit. Obey. Conform. That is the duty of all Good Americans.

 


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Response to RandiFan1290 (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 03:11 PM

81. Nice to see Carlos is still giving 'em hell.

I was just thinking about him the other day.

Keep up the good work, Carlos!

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 03:25 PM

83. I was given a "talking to" Saturday on the DC metro for taking a pic w/iPhone

I've been commuting to VA from MD for over 3 years now and have never seen an empty metro car. I happened to be in the (almost) empty car, so I thought I'd snap a quick pic. Cop comes out of conductors' area and asks me what I'm taking pictures of. I told him the empty train car, showed him the pic and then said, "I've never seen an empty car before."

He then proceeds to tell me that I look suspicious because of the inauguration, did I maybe consider that when I went to take the picture. I told him, no, I'm not a criminal, so I wouldn't consider that. I've read Carlos' blog and other sites (I have the photographer's right PDF) but I never figured I'd have need of that information.

So for those giving Carlos a hard time about what he's doing, think about taking an innocent photograph and then being "talked" to about doing so by an armed person. Or consider that if you state your constitutional rights and are arrested because the cops feel like.

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 03:32 PM

84. Good to see Carlos still educating the cops and security.

It is sad to see that it is still necessary.

Given the history with Carlos, one would think that the Metro security would have standing orders to all its members to not engage Carlos in any way, shape, or form since they cannot be bothered to properly train their employees.

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 04:35 PM

87. Was his username RaginginMiami?

Been so long, I forget. Why did he quit posting here?

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Response to Rex (Reply #87)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 04:42 PM

89. Take a look at this thread and guess!

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Response to countryjake (Reply #89)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 04:47 PM

90. I am trying to avoid the sub-thread war.

But ya, I get your point.

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Response to Rex (Reply #90)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 02:50 AM

123. Here:

Account status: Active
Member since: Fri Nov 12, 2004, 01:34 PM
Number of posts: 13,394
Number of posts, last 90 days: 0
Favorite forum: NA
Favorite group: NA
Last post: Fri May 4, 2012, 12:53 PM

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=157181


I think like many he got tired of the BS here and wants to focus on other things.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #123)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 01:01 PM

127. Thank you.

I see he posted recently, good to have him back! Well the fighting with the same old people over the same old stuff year after year get boring.

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 05:01 PM

93. K&R for Carlos. N/T

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Response to beevul (Reply #93)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 06:54 PM

115. +1 n/t

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 05:02 PM

94. This is what MALFEASANCE looks like

the police force in this country has been operating on this level unchallenged for a very long time.

Expressing Laws which has not been passed by the courts, but since they are wearing police uniform you as
a law abiding citizen is suppose to listen to "their" interpretation of the law.

It is outrageous how they've been allowed to get away with this style of policing.

FUCKING OUTRAGEOUS.

We are suppose to be LAND OF THE FREE.



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Response to RandiFan1290 (Original post)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 05:34 PM

100. I guessed that the submit-obey-conform crowd would be all over this, and look.. (nt)

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Response to Posteritatis (Reply #100)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 06:07 PM

105. DU's own Right Wing Authoritarians.

For those of you who haven't read Altemeyer ( http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/ ), these are the three big traits of right-wing authoritarians:

1. Authoritarian Submission: DU's authoritarians are butthurt because RagingInMiami isn't bowing down and licking boots when confronted by Miami's finest...
2. Authoritarian Aggression: DU's authoritarians are not only cheerleading the bit of police brutality in the video, but they're shit-stirring and accusing RagingInMiami of "fraud" and "childishness" and "attention-seeking" and "a setup" for daring to challenge the police for their behavior against him for what... Taking pictures...
3. Conventionalism: Keeps insisting that RagingInMiami was violating rules of some sort, even though they can't articulate exactly what rules have been broken.

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #105)

Tue Jan 22, 2013, 06:23 PM

107. Yep. (nt)

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #105)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 01:34 AM

122. +1. Absofuckinglutely correct...

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #122)

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 03:04 AM

126. And thouroughly disgusting. N/T

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Response to beevul (Reply #126)

Thu Jan 24, 2013, 12:00 AM

128. Stanley Milgram and Philip Zimbardo would not be a bit surprised:

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Original post)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 10:23 PM

129. Hey guys,


Interesting conversation here which seems to mirror the conversations on other sites.

Despite the evidence in the video, many people will side with the security guards because I did not abide by their unlawful orders to stop video recording.

I understand many people don't have it in them to stand up for their rights but it's sad when those same people criticize those that do.

Here is my update.

http://www.photographyisnotacrime.com/2013/01/25/metrorail-attack-reveals-much-work-to-be-done-for-photographers-rights/

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Response to RagingInMiami (Reply #129)

Mon Jan 28, 2013, 10:25 PM

130. Meh, screw the authoritarians. Rock on. n/t

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Response to RagingInMiami (Reply #129)

Tue Jan 29, 2013, 07:47 AM

131. Rage on Carlos!

Thanks for the update. I found this video on Liveleak and was surprised it wasn't on DU.
You're pissing off all the right people so you know you are doing it right!

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