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Sun Dec 23, 2012, 01:14 PM

US Senate approves $211 million for ****** in new $633 billion war bill

<>The bill would authorize $528 billion for the Defense Department’s base budget, $17 billion for defense and nuclear programs in the Energy Department and $88.5 billion for the war in Afghanistan. The bill is $1.7 billion more than Obama requested.

<>Panetta said members of the House and Senate “diverted about $74 billion of what we asked for in savings in our proposed budget to the Congress, and they diverted them to other areas that, frankly, we don’t need.”

<> The bill would authorize nearly $480 million for U.S.-Israeli missile defense, including $211 million for Iron Dome, the system designed to intercept short-range rockets and mortars fired by Palestinian militants from Gaza at southern Israel.

Thanks a lot you fucking rich assholes!



http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article33416.htm

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Reply US Senate approves $211 million for ****** in new $633 billion war bill (Original post)
L0oniX Dec 2012 OP
Initech Dec 2012 #1
Jim Warren Dec 2012 #2
L0oniX Dec 2012 #3
Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #51
GeorgeGist Dec 2012 #4
L0oniX Dec 2012 #6
former-republican Dec 2012 #5
L0oniX Dec 2012 #7
TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #8
former-republican Dec 2012 #11
xxxsdesdexxx Dec 2012 #32
Autumn Dec 2012 #35
TheProgressive Dec 2012 #9
n2doc Dec 2012 #10
L0oniX Dec 2012 #13
In_The_Wind Dec 2012 #17
woo me with science Dec 2012 #39
Doctor_J Dec 2012 #12
Iggy Dec 2012 #24
truedelphi Dec 2012 #27
Doctor_J Dec 2012 #30
Iggy Dec 2012 #46
Occulus Dec 2012 #14
oberliner Dec 2012 #47
Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #15
bunnies Dec 2012 #16
kenny blankenship Dec 2012 #38
benld74 Dec 2012 #18
historylovr Dec 2012 #21
Casandra Dec 2012 #19
Fire Walk With Me Dec 2012 #20
valerief Dec 2012 #22
L0oniX Dec 2012 #23
judesedit Dec 2012 #25
raouldukelives Dec 2012 #49
truedelphi Dec 2012 #26
RKP5637 Dec 2012 #31
L0oniX Dec 2012 #33
woo me with science Dec 2012 #37
RKP5637 Dec 2012 #41
Iggy Dec 2012 #45
truedelphi Dec 2012 #50
WCGreen Dec 2012 #28
RKP5637 Dec 2012 #29
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Wilms Dec 2012 #34
woo me with science Dec 2012 #36
leftlibdem420 Dec 2012 #40
RKP5637 Dec 2012 #42
leftlibdem420 Dec 2012 #43
L0oniX Dec 2012 #44
oberliner Dec 2012 #48
Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #52
oberliner Dec 2012 #54
Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #55
AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #53
JReed Dec 2012 #56

Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 01:18 PM

1. $700 billion for endless wars we'll never win but for some reason we just can't save Social Securit.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 01:24 PM

2. Strange edit

or is it a censure?

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Response to Jim Warren (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 01:26 PM

3. Didn't want this to be an ****** issue.

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:43 PM

51. Yeah...but it is a major issue...and I for one am getting sick of it.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 01:28 PM

4. More guns!

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Response to GeorgeGist (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 01:33 PM

6. The gorilla in the room.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 01:28 PM

5. Am I reading this right

 

We are giving Israel an additional 700 million for their missile defense?

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Response to former-republican (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 01:34 PM

7. ...while some people seek to take money from the poor and elderly.

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Response to former-republican (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 01:35 PM

8. 480 million.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 01:48 PM

11. Okay the other 211 is included

 

Israel isn't a poor country
Why can't they pay for it themselves?

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Response to former-republican (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 04:29 PM

32. Not enough of us letting our government know we're against this pro-Israel all the time stance

I have long questioned our government's pro-Israel stance on everything Israel does. For to long we have allowed our government, in our name, to make statements backing Israel when they have continued doing things they should not be doing such as settlement expansion, starting wars in Lebanon, etc. I think it's time we think about formally ending some of our treaties which seem to allow Israel to do is at pleases while we sit back and do or say nothing which, in effect, means we're condoning it. Now that President Obama is possibly considering Chuck Hagel for the new Secretary of Defense, I think it is important that we back him up by letting our senators and the president know that he is a good choice. We need to fight back against AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee) which is basically a neocon-like committee that believes America should explicitly back Israel in all it's affairs. At this moment, AIPAC is on the attack against Chuck Hagel -- they are lobbying our members of congress and bad mouthing him because they fear that he would actually stand up to this pro-Israel all the time stance that we have held basically since the State of Israel was founded.

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Response to former-republican (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 08:05 PM

35. Cause they have National Health care for their citizens

Health care coverage is administered by a small number of organizations, with funding from the government.
it's government-funded for all citizens regardless of their financial means.

So we help them out. I hear tell a system like that would bankrupt our country

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 01:42 PM

9. $88 Billion/year for war in Afghanistan/Iraq .vs. $13B/year CUT in Social Security

This war-ing is a American government psychosis.

It has to stop.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 01:44 PM

10. And remember, they cut 1.2 billion from home heating oil assistance to Seniors last winter

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/05/liheap-congress-obama_n_1184318.html

Yet we can easily fund another 1.7 billion for war and death. What a sick country.

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Response to n2doc (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 02:07 PM

13. +1

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Response to n2doc (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 03:38 PM

17. That one hit home.

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Response to n2doc (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 10:15 PM

39. +1

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 01:49 PM

12. And this is the SENATE (Dem) bill

Hopefully the president will veto it

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #12)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 04:17 PM

24. Thus Again, I Need Somebody to Explain

 

how this proves the "democrats" in congress are wayyyyy better/different than the repugs on this policy/spending issue?

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Response to Iggy (Reply #24)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 04:20 PM

27. New Doctrines are afloat. See my reply 26 below. n/t

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Response to Iggy (Reply #24)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 04:25 PM

30. Reproductive rights

and a couple other issues. That is it, period. Gun rights? Where's the president? Pentagon spending? Social safety net? A few (not many) Congressional Dems are begging the president not to cave.

This is how a party becomes irrelevant.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #30)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 06:31 AM

46. "Sorry", But Reproductive Rights...

 

don't pay the rent here.

I'm talking about major financial issues that DO impact our economy in a major way.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 02:12 PM

14. Every penny of that is a fucking crime.

WHY are we still giving money to these blood-steeped maniacs?

If Israel cannot stand on its own two feet after all this time it doesn't deserve to exist as a nation in the first place, and proves it isn't anything remotely close to the word "holy"!

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Response to Occulus (Reply #14)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 06:48 AM

47. Blood-steeped maniacs?

What the heck?

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 02:13 PM

15. What do the American people need to do to get that kind of representation?

This entire state I live in is in dire financial straits. Looking at all this money going to defense I can't help but wonder what kind of bizarre squeeze play goes on where you shiv the people who're supporting the federal government with their tax dollars.

PB

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 03:32 PM

16. This is so frigging twisted.

Why is killing people in other countries more important that caring for people in our own? Its shameful.

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Response to bunnies (Reply #16)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 09:17 PM

38. Not all of the psychos in this country are roaming the hallways of our schools

warm Bushmasters in their hands, looking for another pocket of terrified, huddled children to murder. Many are roaming the halls of Congress, the Pentagon and the White House. Their victims are scattered around this country and at least three other continents.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 03:39 PM

18. *#&^*&#^*#*&^)#*_()(#)(!!!!

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Response to benld74 (Reply #18)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 03:56 PM

21. I second your thoughts.

There is no justification for this. It's immoral. Period.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 03:53 PM

19. My simple thinking

If you look at the 'budget pie', we've all seen, you will see that the Pentagon, military and that entire 'cut of the pie' is almost 70% (including Homeland Security) ...and we are always in a state of how to budget the people needs over the military budget. We keep losing and we will continue to keep losing. I say..TAKE THE MILITARY BUDGET out of the pie slices, set it aside and give it it's whole new pie!!! One for the military and one for the 'people'. Let the lawmakers and budget makers argue over how to budget the spending on the new pie...leave the people's pie alone!! After we gain back all the money from separating out the war machine, we'll be fine. I more and more realize they are trying to budget a war machine on the people's pie and it needs to be it's own separate entity. If they can't afford new war machines, new weapons, more bullets, more killing options, so be it! They can borrow from China, Japan or whomever, but let the budget battle be on the war machine. Again, leave us alone!

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 03:56 PM

20. Yay austerity! I wanna pay for the rich getting richer off of war!

 

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 04:15 PM

22. Our Congress is made up of criminals. nt

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Response to valerief (Reply #22)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 04:16 PM

23. Sociopaths.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 04:18 PM

25. War is big business for the Blackwater's of this world. See 10 companies profiting most from war

It's all about the lobbyists, the corporations, and the money...for them..not us.. Call, email, fax, comments online to your congress people and the white house. Do it NOW! Vote every bum who votes against 99% of the people in this country out in 2014 and every election after that. Hopefully the merry hackers and anonymous whoever they are will ensure we get a fair election. Thank you again by the way.

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Response to judesedit (Reply #25)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:58 AM

49. Amen to that.

War = big bucks for Wall St. Anyone invested in WS directly profits from it. Pretty insidious really. Even if you don't want want to own the deaths of innocents abroad, its on the bottom line.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 04:18 PM

26. You are forgetting tho think about this carefully.

New Doctrines are afloat.

Totally new doctrines.

One of those new doctrines is that any resistance to the Old Guard and their way of doing things simply cannot be fought over. It must be accepted. Otherwise the Tea Party members will rise up and kill us all in our sleep (Or some such thing.)

I always wondered about the Tea Party. They had marches on Washington DC that consisted of three hundred people, yet they would get all day coverage from C Span. Meanwhile, the majority of people, many of whom were out in force, in 700,000 person marches against war and military spending - they were marginalized.

Both parties have avoided accepting the "will" of the marginalized players, despite those players having the backing of most Americans. But apparently the Tea Party, such as it is while portrayed by Mainstream Media, must have some appeal to leadership in both Parties, and those Big Corporations that fund them, because whatever situation we arrive at, it has been driven by considerations of that fanatical base.

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Response to truedelphi (Reply #26)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 04:26 PM

31. This is no longer a nation of "we the people," but rather "we the profiteers." Corporate Welfare at

any cost to "we the people," who are FORCED to fund "their" wars for profit!

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #31)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 06:06 PM

33. +1

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #31)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 08:55 PM

37. +1 There is no representation anymore.

The two-party system is a scam.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #37)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 10:59 PM

41. Quite true! Our system today wades in the cesspool of $$$$$ often

dissociated from the people. As you say, we have no representation, only $$$$$ is represented and those linked interests. We can have wars/machines with endless profiteers and benefactors, for one example, but money spent on people and their cause, hell no. Each day it becomes more and more of a jungle with survival of the fittest being weighed in terms of $$$$$. And the broken capitalistic system blunders on.




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Response to truedelphi (Reply #26)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 06:16 AM

45. It's Not Just That Congress IGNORES

 

the "will of the people".

it's wayyy worse than that. the austerity crowd (same ol' clownservatives, plus the teabagger mob) constantly whine and moan about the fed government "spends too much" and "this can't go on"... except when it comes to the obvious bloated sacred cow-- defense spending. they want this spending to INCREASE.

the "democrats" in congress go along with this massive hypocrisy, because they, too, have defense industries in their districts, and are getting bribes, errrrr, I mean campaign contributions from these companies-- to keep our tax money flowing to them.

Weak, very weak. There's NO difference between the "democrats" and the reppugs on this issue.

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Response to Iggy (Reply #45)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:35 PM

50. There certainly is little difference -

The Democratic Senate just proposed a massive and benevolent defense budget for the Sacred Cow industry of "murder and main the third world brown skinned people."

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 04:21 PM

28. Fuckers.....

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 04:23 PM

29. US should just be remamed "The Nation of Death!" n/t

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 07:52 PM

34. ^

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 08:52 PM

36. No words

are adequate for this.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 10:17 PM

40. Is this how people felt when military spending was destroying the Soviet Union?

 

If that's the case, it will get worse after the fall before we can ever dream of getting it better.

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Reply #40)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 11:00 PM

42. It is a self devouring future on the present course. n/t

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #42)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 11:15 PM

43. It could take a long time...

 

The Russian Revolution was necessary and noble (with much of its brutality being a function if its being a revolution and of the fact that the Reds had to fight a bloody civil war against both the old aristocracy and a foreign force of over 20 nations), but the rot began as Stalin and his allies grew in power. To say that the Russian Revolution is bad because of these things is to stay that war with the Nazis was immoral because of the sins committed in Dresden.

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Response to leftlibdem420 (Reply #40)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:01 AM

44. ...or Rome?

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 06:50 AM

48. So ****** is Israel?

Is that right?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #48)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:47 PM

52. No the US is going to place an Iron Dome over Gaza

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #52)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 05:41 PM

54. I don't think so

I just don't understand why one wouldn't write out the name of the country instead of using asterisks.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #54)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 06:44 PM

55. LOL...

I think he just didn't want to start the usual brawl.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:49 PM

53. Obama's current proposal to cut SS is not going to be enough. He'll have to impose more austerity.

 

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 10:06 AM

56. The Real Defense Budget

 

While everyone knows that the defense budget is large -- even in the numbers that the public sees as the formally admitted figures by the Department of Defense -- the truth is that when one scratches beneath the bureaucratic veneer, national security spending is much larger, nearly double the amount US citizens are told.

A Republican, numbers-compulsive defense wonk at the Center for Defense Information, Winslow Wheeler, has published a great summary of what America's defense budget 'really' is.

Wheeler offers a chart of the budget figures for both 2012 and 2013 -- starting with what is called the "DOD Base Budget (Discretionary)". He then adds line items from different accounts throughout other parts of the budget that really should be part of what is considered defense and security -- including the odd factoid that the Department of Defense and Office of Management and Budget (OMB) issue different figures of what the DOD Base Budget really is -- with the Pentagon shorting what it gives the media by about $6 billion.



...

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/02/the-real-defense-budget/253327/#

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