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Tue Dec 18, 2012, 05:28 AM

 

Michael Moore talks about the role SSRI played at Columbine



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Reply Michael Moore talks about the role SSRI played at Columbine (Original post)
green for victory Dec 2012 OP
cantbeserious Dec 2012 #1
DrDan Dec 2012 #2
Indydem Dec 2012 #3
trumad Dec 2012 #4
Indydem Dec 2012 #5
The2ndWheel Dec 2012 #7
cynatnite Dec 2012 #19
Londoncalling Dec 2012 #6
green for victory Dec 2012 #8
CBGLuthier Dec 2012 #10
Eric the Reddish Dec 2012 #20
Indydem Dec 2012 #22
Eric the Reddish Dec 2012 #34
morningfog Dec 2012 #33
kathysart_decoration Dec 2012 #9
green for victory Dec 2012 #14
PoliticalBiker Dec 2012 #18
blogslut Dec 2012 #11
green for victory Dec 2012 #13
Zoeisright Dec 2012 #16
Springslips Dec 2012 #21
datasuspect Dec 2012 #36
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green for victory Dec 2012 #12
JVS Dec 2012 #15
LeftInTX Dec 2012 #17
FarCenter Dec 2012 #30
mstinamotorcity2 Dec 2012 #23
Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #24
ohheckyeah Dec 2012 #31
ceile Dec 2012 #25
Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #26
grammiepammie Dec 2012 #28
ceile Dec 2012 #29
ohheckyeah Dec 2012 #32
blue neen Dec 2012 #27
FightForMichigan Dec 2012 #35

Response to green for victory (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 05:33 AM

1. Corporate Profits Are More Sacred Than Citizens - We All Know The Score

eom

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 06:29 AM

2. that's it . . .

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Response to green for victory (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 07:20 AM

3. Why does it continue to be so difficult to believe some people are just fucking evil.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Broken, inhuman, sadistic pieces of shit.

You don't need to be on Prozac to be a piece of shit.

History is full of mans inhumanity towards man long before modern pharmaceuticals.

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Response to Indydem (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 07:27 AM

4. Wow---really

so discard scientific information because people are simply evil?

Again---Wow

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Response to trumad (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 07:30 AM

5. Some people are just bad eggs. Do you deny that?

Or did Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao have some kind of time machine by which they were receiving their Prozac?

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Response to Indydem (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 07:40 AM

7. I think it's the use of the word evil

Even bad egg is a better term. Evil, as a word, is just too loaded.

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Response to Indydem (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:08 PM

19. I think saying they are evil or just bad eggs oversimplifies and is rather insulting. n/t

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Response to Indydem (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 07:34 AM

6. Agreed...

I am pretty sure that Henry VIII, Attila The Hun, Hitler, Stalin etc were not on Prozac.
Some of us need those modern pharmaceuticals, so that we can cope with the world. Demonising mental
health sufferers helps nobody.

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Response to Indydem (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 07:41 AM

8. The "Evil" in these cases is pharma

 

no one knows the long term effects since these pills have only been around for 20-30 yrs.

And are the people that Moore refers to in the video- the ones that hid an internal study-are they "evil" or just lucky?

Someone goes to jail for a plant while pharma execs get to hide studies showing they are manufacturing dynamite?

Really?

People that use medical marijuana are banned from owning guns while those that are taking SSRI's are not?

Really?

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Response to Indydem (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 07:47 AM

10. so you do not believe drugs can cause people's judgement to be damaged

This is based on your degrees in which fields?

Yeah, sure some people are fucking evil for sure. And some people are fucked up on america's pharmaceutical obsessions.

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Response to Indydem (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:14 PM

20. No Such Thing

 

There is only that which is, and that which isn't. Violent human behavior is. Psychopathy is. A red guy with horns and a pitchfork isn't.

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Response to Eric the Reddish (Reply #20)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:30 PM

22. Who said anything about the devil?

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Response to Indydem (Reply #22)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:29 PM

34. You did

 

Can't say "evil" without implying Big D

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Response to Indydem (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:54 PM

33. How do you think they got "broken?"

Something causes it.

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Response to green for victory (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 07:43 AM

9. my scary experience with Prozac

My family physician placed me on Prozac back in about 1994 when I was living in Albuquerque, NM - at my request - because I was very depressed.
After about 2 weeks on the drug (don't remember the dose amount) I went to bed and remember even now, very vividly, that I placed my head on the pillow and, immediately, a flood of feelings of aggression came over me. It was truly frightening. Without question, my thoughts and feelings went to hurting myself in some way. It was a feeling I couldn't do justice to using words. But, it still scares me, and I am concerned when I hear of anyone being placed on that drug.
I got myself out of bed because the feelings became stronger. I went to the kitchen and drank some milk to try to calm down. I could do nothing to get rid of the feelings and I was just terrified.
I drove myself to the hospital which wasn't far away. The intern I was assigned to told me I was "menopausal." There wasn't an ounce of truth to that. I was certain it was the Prozac and I told him that to no avail. When I later reported this to my own doctor she told me there was no evidence that the drug produced such side effects.
Somehow I got past it. Sometimes just taking action is helpful and I had full awareness that it was the drug. I never took another dose and the feelings and thoughts subsided and went away entirely.
I had read about one or both of the Columbine shooters being on medications, specifically Prozac or like it, and immediately remembered my experience and I have no doubt that for them, also, these drugs could have played even a major role.

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Response to kathysart_decoration (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:35 PM

14. thanks for posting your story

 

I hope you stay well and I'm glad you were able to get past it!

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Response to kathysart_decoration (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:04 PM

18. Some Drugs...

... act on different people differently.
For the emer. room and your own doc to not recognize that is suspect.
Might be time for a different doc.

Oh, and.... WELCOME TO DU!

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Response to green for victory (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 07:50 AM

11. Oh For Fuck's Sake

Enough with this bullshit.

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Response to blogslut (Reply #11)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:31 PM

13. by BS do you mean where the Pharma executives withheld documents?

 

cause I think that part is true.

So what's BS? Or did they not withhold documents?

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Response to green for victory (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:59 PM

16. The BS is that without the guns, there would have been no massacre.

Anything else is a diversion from the truth. PERIOD.

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #16)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:23 PM

21. The period people are getting on my nerves.

We can shit and chew gum at the same time. This problem is multi-facet and we have to look at many different issues in our society. The simplification of "let's control guns and just forget about it" is a danger more than some mythic misdirect. The 'period' is meant to suppress discussion of other factors that contribute to mass murders. Although I doubt Prozac causes killings, it should be discussed. Yes gun control is key, but that can't me all we should do. We need to discuss other things. PERIOD.

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Response to Springslips (Reply #21)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 05:17 PM

36. one dimensional thinkers only think in black and white

 

they are incapable of nuance, comparison, or even acknowledging that more than one train of thought has to happen at ONE TIME when discussing societal issues.

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Response to green for victory (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:29 PM

12. ^

 

apparently not a popular message

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Response to green for victory (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:36 PM

15. What is SSRI?

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Response to green for victory (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:04 PM

17. Selective Seratonin Reuptake Inhibitors

A class of anti-depressants

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Response to green for victory (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:34 PM

23. I have read some of the Data on Prozac!!

And it is a questionable drug. I don't think all drugs are for all people. I have first hand knowledge of the effects of someone in my family using Prozac. This is also a drug that can take up to weeks to balance out. I couldn't wait that long. The effects of this drug scared me. I took this family member after seeing them on this drug for about a month and stopped the medication after noticing the medication was intensifying the emotions. I lifted this person off the sofa and shook the shit out of them and said they did not have time to go crazy. Now this just worked for me. I would suggest extensive counseling and low doses of certain medications to start. And I did help that family member by getting counseling and strong family support. today they are just your average crazy.

There are some things in this life that won't ever be explained enough to understand why someone does the most horrendous things. Sometimes the act is terrible as all get out. But how we respond is of the utmost importance to me. I would always tell my children that sometimes you do not get a second chance. You don't get do overs. That they must watch their actions and the environment around them. Yes people make mistakes, but there are some mistakes that cost lives. When that life is gone its too late for a second chance. If you are granted grace and get a second chance after getting it wrong, do your best to get it right the next time. Never do as everyone else does. Just because everyone is doing a certain thing doesn't make it right. Individualism is okay.

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Response to green for victory (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:37 PM

24. Since when is Michael Moore a scientist? nt

 

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #24)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:25 PM

31. One need not be a scientist to read

a Physician's Desk Reference.

Here's just a small excerpt about Prozac side effects:

Psychiatric side effects including hypomania, mania, transient psychosis, development of obsessive-compulsive symptoms, paranoid reaction, delusions, agitation, and a depersonalization syndrome have been reported.

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Response to green for victory (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:49 PM

25. I think it's a crock.

1. Any decent doctor will not prescribe, or will very closely monitor if they do, anyone under the age of 18 an anti-depressant.
2. What the Columbine kids did was planned and executed meticulously. Someone having side effects and suicidal thoughts would not behave this way. It would be spur of the moment. If you have ever experienced a side effect from anti-depresants you know what I'm talking about.
3. SSRI's are live savers for people, but let's forget that and use them as a scape goat because for the evil actions of 2 kids.

On a personal note, prozac saved my life.

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Response to ceile (Reply #25)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:50 PM

26. I find it disgusting that this kind of demonization of such useful medication is allowed here...

 

Just gun nuts trying to take off the focus from the root of the problem: Guns, guns everywhere.

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #26)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:05 PM

28. comrade mckenzie

How dare you make a statement like that. I am not a gun nut, but my daughter was put on Prozac and it was a nightmare. It would take too much time to go into the details of what happened to her, but take this from someone who has been there, the drugs might work wonders for some, but there are others that it puts them over the cliff. So please, go carefully when you start calling people "gun nuts" because they are questioning the anti-depressant medications and other medications that these people are on. In each and every case of mass killings, they have all been on medication. Is there a correlation, who knows, but don't start naming calling just because you don't agree with questions being raised.

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Response to grammiepammie (Reply #28)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:08 PM

29. He wasn't speaking to you in particular.

And yes, "gun nuts" are using drugs as an excuse instead of what really caused the tragedy- guns.

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #26)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:28 PM

32. No, guns aren't the root problem.

They are a symptom of a problem. Just the fact a gun exists doesn't make a person pick it up and use it to commit mass murder.

Gun control is of paramount importance but understanding WHY someone would do what the guy did in Newtown is also important.

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Response to green for victory (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:02 PM

27. Your headline is misleading.

Please provide proof that the shooters at Columbine were on SSRI's. Michael Moore is not saying he has proof. Are you?

Michael Moore said that he is asking a legitimate question, and he IS asking a legitimate question. You, however, are making a statement based on your opinion, not facts.

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Response to green for victory (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:40 PM

35. Stop it

Correlation is not causation. Because if it is, you better start blaming french fries, Internet usage and cell phone radiation, too. There are a lot of things you can say all of these killers did, but damned if the pool of people doing those things isn't a lot greater than just those few killers.

I might not be here today if it weren't for Wellbutrin. I have a friend who was also on an antidepressant and got resentful of needing it, so he stopped taking it - and stopped going to work and stopped functioning. He's back on it and back on track.

These drugs have made a huge positive difference for millions of people. Quit demonizing the drugs, and quit demonizing us.

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