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Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:28 AM

What do you tell a sixteen year old who wants to buy a gun?

Last edited Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:09 AM - Edit history (1)

The grandson of a friend of mine is under the impression that a gun is going to protect him.

I told her I would give her some stats that might convince him otherwise.

I saw some recently around here somewhere.

On edit I should have added when he is old enough, not immediately.


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Reply What do you tell a sixteen year old who wants to buy a gun? (Original post)
Flabbergasted Dec 2012 OP
Hoyt Dec 2012 #1
Flabbergasted Dec 2012 #8
LeftInTX Dec 2012 #2
Flabbergasted Dec 2012 #5
2naSalit Dec 2012 #30
cali Dec 2012 #35
BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #3
Flabbergasted Dec 2012 #7
XemaSab Dec 2012 #4
Flabbergasted Dec 2012 #9
doc03 Dec 2012 #6
elleng Dec 2012 #10
Flabbergasted Dec 2012 #21
HiPointDem Dec 2012 #11
MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #12
bossy22 Dec 2012 #14
MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #15
bossy22 Dec 2012 #13
libdem4life Dec 2012 #16
jonthebru Dec 2012 #17
Teamster Jeff Dec 2012 #18
Flabbergasted Dec 2012 #23
LuvNewcastle Dec 2012 #40
ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #19
Flabbergasted Dec 2012 #22
whistler162 Dec 2012 #36
SheilaT Dec 2012 #20
arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #24
Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #25
Brickbat Dec 2012 #44
ann--- Dec 2012 #26
ladjf Dec 2012 #27
Decoy of Fenris Dec 2012 #28
Recursion Dec 2012 #29
BVictor1 Dec 2012 #31
whistler162 Dec 2012 #37
rl6214 Dec 2012 #32
Fumesucker Dec 2012 #33
Cleita Dec 2012 #34
kydo Dec 2012 #38
cali Dec 2012 #39
treestar Dec 2012 #41
Remmah2 Dec 2012 #42
OneGrassRoot Dec 2012 #43

Response to Flabbergasted (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:31 AM

1. Time to get that junked nipped in bud.

Not sure exactly what you tell him though, but he might ought to talk to someone outside gun culture.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:35 AM

8. I'm motivated. Nt

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Response to Flabbergasted (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:32 AM

2. Don't you have to be 21 in most places?

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:34 AM

5. She said he wants one when he is old enough. Nt

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:21 AM

30. Depends on the state.

In some states the age is 16, and some it's 18. Not sure where it's 21.

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 04:18 AM

35. In my state 16 is the age where you can walk into a store a buy a gun

then you can conceal carry with no license needed.

It sucks. And no, this isn't OK or Utah. It's Vermont.

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Response to Flabbergasted (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:33 AM

3. Here

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:35 AM

7. This is perfect thanks. Nt

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Response to Flabbergasted (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:33 AM

4. As one of the fundies I am "researching" said, and I paraphrase:

"Sure, I want my daughter to marry a man who can kick the ass of some thug who is lurking in a dark alleyway, but more importantly, I want my daughter to marry a man who won't take her down that alleyway in the first place."

Tell the kid to be the man who doesn't go down that alleyway in the first place, and he'll be fine.

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Response to XemaSab (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:36 AM

9. Right. Nt

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Response to Flabbergasted (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:34 AM

6. This is your rifle This is your gun This is for killin This is for fun

I just had to do it.

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Response to Flabbergasted (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:36 AM

10. This might help, somehow.

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Response to elleng (Reply #10)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:50 AM

21. Thanks. That's great. By

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Response to Flabbergasted (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:37 AM

11. "Speak to your parents about it"? or "I will speak to your parents about it"?

 

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Response to Flabbergasted (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:39 AM

12. "No" nt

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #12)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:40 AM

14. When has tellin ga 16 year old teen "no" ever accomplished what it intended?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #12)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:42 AM

15. Good point. It doesn't even work with my 13-year-old.

I know! Tell him "yes"! They always do the opposite!

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Response to Flabbergasted (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:40 AM

13. Tell the kid to talk to his parents

this seems like it falls under their "jursidiction"

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Response to Flabbergasted (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:42 AM

16. No. The kid is a minor. No. The parents are responsible. No.

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Response to Flabbergasted (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:44 AM

17. You tell her

"No!"

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Response to Flabbergasted (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:44 AM

18. Suggest he learn a martial art instead

Much healthier and will build self esteem.

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Response to Teamster Jeff (Reply #18)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:52 AM

23. True. Nt

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Response to Teamster Jeff (Reply #18)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 07:24 AM

40. That's a great idea.

A lot of people buy guns in order to get a feeling of empowerment. People are much more likely to get into physical confrontations than gunfights. Knowing how to defend yourself usually reduces anxiety. Lazy, weak-minded people turn to guns to solve their problems.

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Response to Flabbergasted (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:45 AM

19. Get him some safety training first and foremost.

Curiosity without knowledge is lethal. Basic safety could keep him or one of his friends alive.

Then if there is still some interest, try a marksmanship class. The drudgery of it often dissuades youngsters.

Between the two, the knowledge will diminish the mystique and risk of accident. If after that he is still interested, at least he is prepared.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #19)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:51 AM

22. That's good thanks.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #19)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 06:10 AM

36. +1

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Response to Flabbergasted (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:45 AM

20. No.

And it is possible to tell a 16 year old or a 13 year old no and have it stick. Of course, if you've never said no to that kid before they might not believe you.

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Response to Flabbergasted (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:55 AM

24. I'd go Moonstruck on him

Snap Out Of It but I wouldn't do the slap on the face part

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Response to Flabbergasted (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:56 AM

25. I'd tell her to expect to spend quite a bit of time with me over the next few weeks while she learns

 

all about them, what they are, what purpose they serve, the rules for handling them and the consequences of neglecting those rules. 8 Times out of ten, she will decide that it's not worth it.

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #25)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 07:56 AM

44. This.

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Response to Flabbergasted (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:59 AM

27. I would ask him/her what they needed it for. And if was only for recreaion or self-defense, I would

say no.

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Response to Flabbergasted (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:59 AM

28. How about taking him shooting?

One of the largest problems regarding gun owners is their lack of respect for the weapon they use. Isolation will only increase curiosity and will, in likelihood, end in experimentation (which, with a gun, is a dangerous thing indeed.) Instead, I would suggest exposure in a controlled environment, but with gentle coaching that although a gun is a tool of empowerment, it is indeed also a tool of death. It's a teachable "With great power comes great responsibility" moment, if properly approached.

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Response to Flabbergasted (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:03 AM

29. Ask if he enjoys cleaning things over and over

Maybe even take him to a range so he can learn how tedious gun ownership can be. Lots and lots of scrubbing.

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Response to Flabbergasted (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:29 AM

31. Tell them, HELL NO!

 

Then send them to a karate class.

The gun will turn him into what he fears.

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Response to BVictor1 (Reply #31)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 06:12 AM

37. So the obvious question is.....

what kind of firearm do you own!

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Response to Flabbergasted (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:29 AM

32. That they aren't old enough

 

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Response to Flabbergasted (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:42 AM

33. Play him this song

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Response to Flabbergasted (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:53 AM

34. Guns do not protect you unless you are in a war zone and they still don't

protect you. If they don't feel safe, they need to make a move to a situation where they do feel safe. However, if they really think about it rationally they will find a lot of things they can do to be safer that don't involve owning a gun. Most of this big need for protection is just paranoia. I think a protective type dog would be better than a gun and better company too.

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Response to Flabbergasted (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 06:23 AM

38. No. That's what you tell them.

Then explain why you feel this way. You don't need graphs and charts - but have those charts and stats bookmarked and let the kid check them out when they are ready. Just speak from your heart and say the truth. Kids know bs when they hear it. But if you are truthful they will respect your opinion.

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Response to kydo (Reply #38)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 06:28 AM

39. may not do much good if you live in a state

where a 16 year old can legally purchase a gun on his/her own as well as legally carry it without a license.

<snip>

Vermont is one of only three states in America that allows anyone to carry concealed weapons without a permit. The other two states are Alaska and Arizona.

Additionally, Vermont is one of few states in the nation that allow citizens younger than the age of 21 to carry. In Vermont, anyone age 16 or older can carry handguns openly or concealed. For youths under the age of 16, parental consent is needed before a handgun can be carried.

<snip>

http://civilliberty.about.com/od/guncontrol/a/Vermont-Gun-Laws.htm

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Response to Flabbergasted (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 07:44 AM

41. Tell him no and then show him the horror stories

and statistics about accidents, suicides, and deranged killers.

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Response to Flabbergasted (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 07:51 AM

42. Sounds like something deeper is going on in his life.

 

Sounds like a warning sign.

Bullying?

Problems w/parents?

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Response to Flabbergasted (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 07:54 AM

43. 17 y/o niece posed with Glock in senior pics.

Dad is armed to the teeth with every kind of gun imaginable.



Yet I'm the one in the family "that shows what's wrong with this world."

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