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Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:33 PM

John Kerry could have solved the problem another way

He could have announced that if asked he would refuse to be Secretary of State because he knew the President preferred Susan Rice for that position. What a lot of class, pizazz, character and strength. It didn't take a lot of any of these things to accept and say he knows Susan will continue to work hard.

What an ass. He knew and the whole country knew that his President, and mine, wanted someone else..

Congratulations on getting reelected to the Senate, Scott. You can thank John McCain and Kerry...

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Reply John Kerry could have solved the problem another way (Original post)
fadedrose Dec 2012 OP
MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #1
graham4anything Dec 2012 #9
fadedrose Dec 2012 #22
graham4anything Dec 2012 #24
karynnj Dec 2012 #39
MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #27
FarCenter Dec 2012 #2
fadedrose Dec 2012 #4
Mass Dec 2012 #6
karynnj Dec 2012 #20
fadedrose Dec 2012 #23
karynnj Dec 2012 #38
Mass Dec 2012 #5
fadedrose Dec 2012 #25
Mass Dec 2012 #3
fadedrose Dec 2012 #10
karynnj Dec 2012 #14
Mass Dec 2012 #15
fadedrose Dec 2012 #19
karynnj Dec 2012 #40
ProSense Dec 2012 #26
graham4anything Dec 2012 #7
patrice Dec 2012 #8
fadedrose Dec 2012 #12
patrice Dec 2012 #29
fadedrose Dec 2012 #33
patrice Dec 2012 #35
patrice Dec 2012 #30
fadedrose Dec 2012 #34
patrice Dec 2012 #36
patrice Dec 2012 #32
karynnj Dec 2012 #11
fadedrose Dec 2012 #16
frazzled Dec 2012 #37
karynnj Dec 2012 #41
frazzled Dec 2012 #42
ProSense Dec 2012 #44
frazzled Dec 2012 #45
karynnj Dec 2012 #46
Thrill Dec 2012 #13
spanone Dec 2012 #17
fadedrose Dec 2012 #21
Tx4obama Dec 2012 #31
WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #18
fadedrose Dec 2012 #28
RomneyLies Dec 2012 #43
karynnj Dec 2012 #47
whistler162 Dec 2012 #48

Response to fadedrose (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:37 PM

1. Scott's not coming back to the Senate

You can bank on it.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:42 PM

9. How can you guarantee that? Answer- you can't. Brown will win the Senate.

 

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:58 PM

22. Are there any Dems of a great reputation

that could take the spot from him. He's had it and already has supporters lined up no doubt.

I wonder if Vicki Kennedy could handle something like that...hmm?

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #22)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 11:03 PM

24. This is NOT an appointment, it will be an election. One Brown would win.

 

and the public showed they are not in the mood for politics.
see Blago in Chicago.

Kerry himself engineered the change in the rules in 2004, to help him in 2004, but he lost the 2004 election then forgot to overturn what was done for him

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #24)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:15 AM

39. The change was done at Kennedy's request and Kerry, as a US Senator, could not

change anything in the MA legislature that he is not in. He did back Kennedy's request that an interim Senator be appointed and that passed.

To compare Kerry to Blago is really pretty much a stretch.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 11:06 PM

27. Do you live in Massachusetts?

I do. People don't go for his kind of nonsense here. His last campaign took him out of Mass politics for life. He beat Coakley precisely because Coakley wasn't a Liberal, so Dems stayed home. And a Coakley-type won't win a primary here for many years.

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Response to fadedrose (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:37 PM

2. Kerry has been nominated for SoS?

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:39 PM

4. The Senate wanted to vote to confirm him today

but he hasn't been asked officially. He did say that Rice would continue to work hard in a way that suggested that he was appointed already...

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:40 PM

6. Would you care to source this crap. And no, he was expressing what he has said already before

that she is a great public servant and was unfearly attacked.

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:55 PM

20. Where are you getting this - the Senate will not vote for anyone - including Kerry -

before there is a hearing and that happens ONLY after the President nominates someone. His comment is as the Chair of the SFRC speaking of someone he knows well who worked for him in 2004. Where do you get that the sentence implies that he is appointed to SOS?

Is your avatar a clue as to your reaction?

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Response to karynnj (Reply #20)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 11:02 PM

23. I know

They have a big committee meeting where they ask a thousand questions, then the Dems and Reps vote and if the vote passes, it goes to the Senate and the body votes. I've seen them pick some real doozies on the other side that WE voted for.


I think the Senator who said to vote today was funning us...but he made his point.

I don't think Republicans should be picking our President's cabinet..

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #23)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:11 AM

38. The committee that would have the hearing is the Senate Foreign Relations Committee

Its chair is Kerry and he would obviously not chair this.

As to the Republicans choosing, they can't and won't. As David Ignatius said within the foreign policy community when he has asked their choice, Kerry is the obvious favorite. Rice is closer to Obama, but she has some negatives - with nothing to do with Benghazi. That said, there are many other peple Obama can and may consider. He may conclude that Kerry is more valuable in the Senate - not just holding a seat - but as a very good Senator on issues from foreign policy to his infrastructure bank proposal that Obama has backed.

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:39 PM

5. Nope, but once again, the OP can read Obama's mind.

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Response to Mass (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 11:03 PM

25. I wish

Then I could understand how he let his staff advise him so badly..

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Response to fadedrose (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:39 PM

3. I would call an ass the person who thinks he/she knows what Obama thinks and wants

when the president has not expressed himself on this issue. What an arrogance?

You know, if you are right, the president had a very simple thing he could do: nominate her for the job. He did not. I wonder why?

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Response to Mass (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:46 PM

10. The President is getting too much help from the White House staff

And, as has been said on teevee, he acclaimed with great sincerety that he wants Susan Rice for SOS. But he never took the pains to nominate her to give her the benefit of legal assistance in answering all the stupid questions the Reps would ask... They've been saying he left her high and dry.

I may be an ass and arrogant, but I feel that he let the woman down, and the party. His position in negotiating the terms of tax increases and lowering benefits is not going to be helped by this...

And Chris Matthews is just as arrogant for insisting that Kerry would be better and should be picked. At least I don't say who should be, only that the woman was put thru the mill needlessly and I don't care for the whole stinken mess.

I'm in a small club, but that's my opinion.

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:51 PM

14. The President NEVER said on TV that he wanted Rice for SOS

I wonder if it was Rice and her allies who leaked the various stories including the strange story that Kerry was being considered for Secretary of Defense, which his office immediately suggested he was unlikely to want.

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:51 PM

15. I dont disagree that Rice was mistreated,

and this is basically what Kerry's statement, that you attacked, said. But the only person who had the power to nominate her was Obama, and, guess what, he did not. I agree he could and should have, but there is little that Kerry could have done on this.

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Response to Mass (Reply #15)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:54 PM

19. Nominating her was one way of solving a problem,

the other way was to announce that she was not and never was his choice...that didn't happen either.

But me and Susan Rice both got the idea somewhere that her name was on the list, otherwise why did she withdraw her name and say that she would have loved being SoS.

The woman must be suffering delusions to come out with a statement like that.

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #19)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:18 AM

40. No one doubts that she was on the list - and she knew from the point that she was vetted

The President by implication said she was one of those under consideration when he defended her. He said that he had not made a decision and that he this was not reason to reject her.

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 11:05 PM

26. John Kerry should have saved my fantasy

SOS choice, and President Obama sucks:

"I may be an ass and arrogant, but I feel that he let the woman down, and the party. His position in negotiating the terms of tax increases and lowering benefits is not going to be helped by this... "

Oh my!

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Response to fadedrose (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:40 PM

7. Plus a million trillion!!!

 

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Response to fadedrose (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:41 PM

8. DOES is matter that the President has not even said Rice is on "the list" let alone nominated her?

Obviously not.

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Response to patrice (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:50 PM

12. I'm sorry.

I just woke up one morning and dreamt that Susan Rice would be a great SoS. Then I called all the media and told them the President wanted her. They believed me. I am a gray-haired poor old lady with lot of influence, so don't mess with me. Until that dream, I never even heard of her. Oh yeah, I think that once I heard it mentioned that she had something to do with the UN....that's probably why I dreamed of it.

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #12)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 11:14 PM

29. Hug! I'm a grey haired old lady too, who counts herself a Deanocrat (I went to Iowa for him in '04

with a bunch of friends).

I promise I will NEVER mess with you. I do my best to get it as right as I can.

There are too many people on this board who jump on issues like social fads and deliver absolute gospel opinions on little or no information, or without even considering if the information that they do have might not be the definitive information that they need in order to assess a situation and venture an evaluation/judgement.

Those who love rationalism ALWAYS maintain the possibility that to one degree or another they could be wrong. Not so here. To me that means at minimum it is possible that people don't know/understand what is going on, or, worse, they do and their purposes could be to use the disadvantages of others to whatever their own true agenda is.

The reason this is so important to me, at this point, has mostly to do with the evolution of health care in this country. It's time to push for expansion of services covered, at minimum, and to push harder for coverage for absolutely everyone. We are close to being able to do that kind of push, but I think because of what is going on with Labor right now, there are some real heavy weights in this situation trying to fracture President Obama's grassroots' support. Those forces own our media and that of course extends into their awareness of what is going on on the whole internet, including places like the DU. THIS is what President Obama is up against and it CAN affect health care for ALL Americans, so I'm here to fight it.

I hope I wasn't too rough earlier. I'm sorry. I was in a thread earlier today in which people were either lying intentionally about President Obama or were ignorant of the FACTS but didn't care that they were. I'm tired, frustrated, and frightened by this strong inclination toward ignorance and, perhaps, dishonesty.

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Response to patrice (Reply #29)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 11:33 PM

33. I want Howard Dean in the Cabinet

or as a Chief Advisor. I care about health care more than most other issues, and Howard started the 50 state strategy that more or less showed the Obama people how to do it.

Emailed the White House twice this week about appointing him to something, and sent DFA a small donation this week - they said they needed it right away .

There is still an influence of the DLC although we don't discuss it much anymore, but it's there in spirit.

This battering by the Reps on the President's picks for posts will not bode well for health care negotiations. All they understand is power and they know that they say "jump" and we do...

Let's hope our guy gets nominated in 2016. He's young - I love Biden but the folks here say he's too old...

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #33)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 11:39 PM

35. I say Dean for HEW and let our lovely extremely competent Kathleen Sebelius run for Senate!!!!

I'm pretty sure that Dean is not going away. Many young Democrats like him a lot! They understand, and I saw research showing this recently, that the health care and Medicare issues we are fighting for with Howard Dean's support WILL BECOME THEIR OWN PROGRAMS. I think they want that stuff as a foundation under their lives so that they can become small business persons and entrepreneurs.

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #12)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 11:20 PM

30. Oh yeah, here's a nice sketch of the REGIONAL intelligence issues surrounding Rice & Benghazi:

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Response to patrice (Reply #30)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 11:36 PM

34. THanks for the article

Will read first thing in the morning .... Letterman's on, and table's a big mess from gift-wrapping..

Good night Buddy

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #34)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 11:42 PM

36. Love Letterman! That guy would be in trouble around THIS old lady! Good night to you too! nt

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #12)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 11:25 PM

32. Please accept my apologies. I think I'll go play Farmville for a little while & cool off.

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Response to fadedrose (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:48 PM

11. You make the assumption that Obama preferred Rice

The fact is that Kerry immediately defended Rice when she was attacked. The fact is that the full choice is not just Rice and Kerry. I doubt you would have suggested that Rice step aside for Kerry if he were the one attacked. The fact is that all I know is that the DC pundits (esp the WP reporters) all wanted Rice. The President went out of his way to say he had not made his decision. After the attacks started, he could have showed more support by NOMINATING her, which he did not do. Perhaps Kerry thought he was a better choice.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #11)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:51 PM

16. Whatever happened or should have happened...

I can assure you that I had nothing to do with it. Pick on somebody else for this mess.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #11)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 11:43 PM

37. You don't nominate someone before the current SoS has announced their resignation

We don't even know WHEN Hillary Clinton is going to step down.

I don't know where you get your facts, but the president, who is the one who makes these choices, indicated through the WH that Susan Rice was among his choices for SoS and Kerry for Defense. Do you forget that? Everyone thought that distribution was a clear signal that his choice for SoS would be Rice, and not Kerry.

At this point, I personally think Kerry's chances are worse than they were beforehand. And btw, he only defended Rice back in September against the Benghazi charges that were first being lodged then (well before there was any talk of any nominations; it was election season). But he hasn't said boo since then, nor defended her as a potential candidate for Secy of State against the more general Congressional and media attacks. Oh, except after she removed herself from consideration today. Then he was all hearts and flowers. And then there was that little game he played with John McCain.

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Response to frazzled (Reply #37)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:29 AM

41. The President did NOT say that he was looking at Kerry for Defense

an article in the Washington Post did. Before then, both Kerry and Rice were mentioned pretty equally. ALL of the comments, including that Kerry and Rice were being considered have been inside the beltway NON ATTRIBUTED statements.

Did you watch the "game", Kerry was quite clearly not happy with McCain's "joke". It was awkward.

I seriously doubt that would have asked that Rice defend Kerry if they were both in contenmtion and he was attacked. The fact is that he said the attacks were unfair. Other than that, he has been doing his job in the Senate - including when he was with McCain.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #41)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:08 AM

42. Wrong

From the National Security section of the WaPo, after the election, Nov. 12. This is not speculation; it is sourced to senior WH "officials":

President Obama is considering asking Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) to serve as his next defense secretary, part of an extensive rearrangement of his national security team that will include a permanent replacement for former CIA director David H. Petraeus.

Although Kerry is thought to covet the job of secretary of state, senior administration officials familiar with the transition planning said that nomination will almost certainly go to Susan E. Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-11-12/world/35505820_1_benghazi-attack-michael-j-morell-cia-job

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Response to frazzled (Reply #42)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:12 AM

44. Wrong? WaPo: "senior administration officials familiar with the transition planning"

That's not a quote from the President. It's not even a quote from a specific person.

This is not speculation; it is sourced to senior WH "officials":

You can't be serious.



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Response to ProSense (Reply #44)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:15 AM

45. Boy, you can't be serious

You clearly have no idea that when newspapers source a story to senior administration officials, that that is the official position of the White House, meaning the president.

Laughing smiley faces are the last resort of those with no argument when they've been shown to be incorrect, and they're no substitution for facts.

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Response to frazzled (Reply #42)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:33 PM

46. Unspecified "senior administration figures"

That is NOT the President saying that and it could be completely wrong.

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Response to fadedrose (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:51 PM

13. Why would he do that?

If he wants to be SoS himself?

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Response to fadedrose (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:53 PM

17. i'll blame this shit on mccain and graham and collins.

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Response to spanone (Reply #17)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:56 PM

21. Good idea

Maybe they can tell us where the idea that Susan Rice would be picked for SoS originated. It wasn't me. I pomise that.

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Response to fadedrose (Reply #21)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 11:23 PM

31. The media is the one that started the rumor of Rice being on the short list.


An article came out with 'unnamed sources' saying that Rice and Kerry were being considered for SoS.
Then the other media folks ran with the rumor.

President Obama has NEVER said who he was or is considering for the SoS position.

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Response to fadedrose (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:53 PM

18. . . . . . . . . . . .

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #18)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 11:11 PM

28. Sweetie

Are you trying to get my attention?

I am so dense that I don't know what the dotted line with an arrow pointing to a guy who I don't know is rubbing his head with signs of a headache means...

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Response to fadedrose (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:11 AM

43. People need to be realistic about this deal

 

Kerry, McCain, Graham, and Collins have associations that go back years and years.

Kerry WANTS the job.

Now get real. Kerry damned well worked behind the scenes to help scuttle Rice.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #43)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:38 PM

47. Highly unlikely

In the first place, that would be the LAST way he would get the job. There is no way he could do that without leaving fingerprints. Do you think if someone did that, Obama, who is a friend of Rice, would not rule him out?

It also ignores that from many accounts he AND Rice were seriously considered - along with at least Tom Donilan.

Now consider that this is not how Kerry has ever acted. For instance, after 2004, he refused to say anything negative about Edwards, who was a horrible VP nominee.

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Response to fadedrose (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:49 PM

48. I blame Wesley Clarke and Dennis Kucinch!

why not since we are doing a imaginary blame-a-thon!

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