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Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:20 PM

I don't usually mention God on the DU to respect others beliefs, this is a very rare exception



I don't mind passing this along.




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Reply I don't usually mention God on the DU to respect others beliefs, this is a very rare exception (Original post)
Omaha Steve Dec 2012 OP
hrmjustin Dec 2012 #1
datasuspect Dec 2012 #32
hrmjustin Dec 2012 #36
sheshe2 Dec 2012 #2
blkmusclmachine Dec 2012 #3
DavidDvorkin Dec 2012 #8
sarcasmo Dec 2012 #34
WinkyDink Dec 2012 #41
CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2012 #4
yortsed snacilbuper Dec 2012 #5
leftyohiolib Dec 2012 #6
NoOneMan Dec 2012 #7
AlexSatan Dec 2012 #45
Mr. Blue Sky Dec 2012 #9
HERVEPA Dec 2012 #10
Brickbat Dec 2012 #11
roody Dec 2012 #12
Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #13
Skip Intro Dec 2012 #14
HERVEPA Dec 2012 #16
99Forever Dec 2012 #15
MrSlayer Dec 2012 #17
scarletwoman Dec 2012 #18
whatchamacallit Dec 2012 #20
nomorenomore08 Dec 2012 #19
Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #27
frankroberts Dec 2012 #21
NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #22
Lex Dec 2012 #23
Omaha Steve Dec 2012 #24
Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #26
Omaha Steve Dec 2012 #29
11 Bravo Dec 2012 #47
dlwickham Dec 2012 #39
sarisataka Dec 2012 #40
Skidmore Dec 2012 #25
GeorgeGist Dec 2012 #28
jwirr Dec 2012 #30
datasuspect Dec 2012 #31
msanthrope Dec 2012 #35
datasuspect Dec 2012 #37
msanthrope Dec 2012 #42
white_wolf Dec 2012 #33
LiberalAndProud Dec 2012 #38
tkmorris Dec 2012 #43
VOX Dec 2012 #44
roody Dec 2012 #46

Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:24 PM

1. Thank you for posting this. It touched me very much.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:48 PM

32. very moving

 

like a bowel movement

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #32)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:52 PM

36. That is nice my friend.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:32 PM

2. K&R!

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:37 PM

3. Politics + religion = 9/11

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Response to blkmusclmachine (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:59 PM

8. Yes.

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Response to blkmusclmachine (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:49 PM

34. +1

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Response to blkmusclmachine (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 01:02 PM

41. Yes---Bushco's worship of Mammon.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:38 PM

4. That's beautiful, my dear Omaha Steve...n/t

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:40 PM

5. god, protect me from your followers!

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:43 PM

6. um.. im sure it wasnt meant likes this but...

 

this says to me that unless i die in combat for (the u.s. i asume) that im incapable of teaching my daughter the true nature of giving?( maybe not die although that's the impression i get since the person who was in those boot arent anymore) i know this is meant to be uplifting or feel-good and im sure the op meant it that way but i cant help feeling that this is at the expense of those who didnt enlist.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:54 PM

7. I touch me very much

 

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 02:08 PM

45. TMI

 

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 10:06 PM

9. The "true nature of giving" has nothing to do with God

Santa Claus, patriotism or sacrifices by the armed forces. Most people who feel a connection or empathy towards other people are quite capable of giving when the circumstances warrant. "The true nature of giving" can't be taught... it's part of our humanity. To give credit to God, the military or Santa Claus is selling ourselves short.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 10:06 PM

10. Shouldn't need an invisible cloud being to teach it to you

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 10:08 PM

11. That's...pretty bad.

I think Santa's beyond that kind of thing, myself.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 10:12 PM

12. Am I missing the sarcasm?

Santa worships the military?

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 10:23 PM

13. I have a lot of respect for you Steve but I think that is simply awful...

Do we have to drag the military into everything?

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 10:27 PM

14. K&R. I thank God daily, for many things. No problem saying so. nt

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Response to Skip Intro (Reply #14)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 10:51 PM

16. The wars his believers inspire?

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 10:41 PM

15. Nice to see I'm not...

... the only one who finds this graphic to be insulting. Both from the perspective that it glorifies war and that magical beings are required to teach us what the true nature of anything is.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 10:59 PM

17. I find this sort of thing ridiculous and offensive.

 

Santa genuflecting (worshipping?) to the military teaches the true meaning of giving?

The idea that some poor kid dying just to make some rich asshole richer teaches us anything worthwhile is ludicrous. That we should be thanking a supposedly loving deity for teaching us this is offensive.

You probably should have stuck to your original way of doing things.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #17)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 11:09 PM

18. +1,000!

Thank you for saying this with more grace and tact than what I was about to post.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #17)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 11:15 PM

20. +1 n/t

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 11:13 PM

19. I understand why this was posted. I also understand why it's taking a beating.

In my case, both having had family in the military - including an uncle who died in Vietnam, 17 years before I was born - and believing that nearly every American military engagement post-WWII has been a mistake, I feel an ambivalence toward the subject that can't be captured in soundbites or snark.

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Response to nomorenomore08 (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:32 AM

27. Very well said. NT

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 11:21 PM

21. what crap nt

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 11:23 PM

22. Why not thank the individuals directly?

"Thank you to those who teach us the true nature of giving."

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 11:23 PM

23. Almost as good as the one on Facebook with Santa kneeling at the manger

with tiny baby Jesus inside. I forget the caption on that one but I missed that part in the Bible where Santa was there.



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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:07 AM

24. I remember now why I don't mention God on the DU


It will be a long time before I do it again.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Reply #24)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:12 AM

26. That's some dishonest framing that is beneath you. You did not 'mention God' you

posted an image in which Santa is bowing to a military alter and words which imply that God supports war and in particular OUR wars while also stating that the only act of giving is to die in a war under command from folks you are coloring with the rights of the divine.
Really self serving to say that was simply 'mentioning God'.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #26)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:32 PM

29. I made my reply first thing after I got up


The OP was a simple reminder of those that have died in service to the US at this time of year. Nothing else to me. Santa is a myth. Sorry Virginia. War dead aren't a myth.

I didn't support the invasion for the weapons of mass deception. I do support the troops that go where they are told to serve. I don't believe our country does enough for those in the service. Things have gotten better for them since Obama was elected. Ask Tammy Duckworth.

Besides war dead there are those that die of training accidents. Or simple car accidents. Happened to a friend of mine from high school over 30 years ago in Cuba.

It wasn't intended to imply God supports our wars. There were plenty of endless wars mentioned in the bible. And it was certainly implied god took sides in many of those.

To imply the only true gifts are those in war was certainly not my point. I didn't realize this would be so misunderstood. If I had a Delorean that goes 88 MPH, I'd not make the post.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Reply #29)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:40 PM

47. I understood what you were trying to say, Steve.

As for those who either don't get it, or simply need to pretend to be offended in order to maintain their "hipper-than-thou" righteous lefty cred, well ... fuck 'em.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Reply #24)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:54 PM

39. don't let the assholes stop you from posting what you want

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Response to Omaha Steve (Reply #24)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:59 PM

40. Some cannot see past their eyes

I understand your message perfectly. Thank you.

Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.
George S. Patton

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:39 AM

25. Steve, that is

a little much.

Why not a picture of something with symbols of those who give without participating in endless wars? A lot of what makes us free involves prosocial behaviors within our nation--the willingness to reach beyond disagreements to work together for a common good. Being a soldier in the post-Vietnam War era is a choice for a career. It is the same sort of choice that cops, firemen, and EMTs make. The same choice that a teacher, a healthcare worker, a counselor or therapist, or an prosecutor/attorney makes or even the person who walks down a dark street to get to work at a local store. These people all help preserve the social fabric of our nation. This warrior class notion is hyperbole, in my honest opinion. We are all parts of the whole--those who fight on the front lines of education, healthcare, civil rights, or just to keep the utilities running.

Just also want to note that my response is not about you mentioning God but I really cringed at that picture for other reasons, some of which I have articulated above.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:15 AM

28. That's some sick shit!

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:40 PM

30. That is absolutely beautiful. Very deep meaning to me.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:47 PM

31. That makes no fucking sense

 

they need elvis on horseback in the background plus a crying eagle with the american flag superimposed on its head.

i would love to smack the living shit out of the moran who came up with that.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #31)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:51 PM

35. You forgot an image of the Twin Towers, and a black velvet backing. nt

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #35)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:52 PM

37. oh yes, definitely the twin towers

 

with firemen and cops crying on their knees too.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #37)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 01:08 PM

42. And the metal "cross" support beams. If only I could get the Franklin Mint to put that

on a Collector's Plate--we'd be rich!!

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:49 PM

33. Yay more praise for the military. Just what we need in this country.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:53 PM

38. God, Santa and the glory of war -- all three.

Seems right, somehow.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 01:20 PM

43. I am losing my faith in humanity

You posted a graphic depicting two myths and a shrine to gratuitously worshiped exploited kids. Worship we usually only engage in BTW because it deflects attention from the sick, perverted ways in which we abuse them. And you think the negative feedback you received is because you were "misunderstood"? Because you "mentioned God"?

Fuck me raw...

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 01:22 PM

44. While your intentions are good, this image is like Norman Rockwell on nationalistic acid...

Of course the sacrifices of our troops everywhere are appreciated, sometimes beyond words.

But an image that merges Santa Claus with war and death, AND the flag? Sorry, but it's a vulgarity on multiple levels. In fact, it cheapens the contributions of those who gave everything.

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Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:31 PM

46. I've generally love your posts. I

firmly believe in the separation of church and state. My now right-wing fundamentalist wacko dad used to believe in it too. The photo blends church and state.

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