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Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:01 PM

White Man Shoots And Kills Black Student In Florida After Argument Over Loud Music

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Less than nine months after Trayvon Martin was shot and killed in central Florida, another black teenage student was killed under suspicious circumstances.
Michael David Dunn, a 45-year-old vice president of Dunn & Dunn Data Systems in Vero Beach, was in Jacksonville this past weekend for his son’s wedding. The Orlando Sentinel details what happened on Friday when Dunn, a gun collector, encountered Jordan Russell Davis, a student at nearby magnet school Samuel W. Wolfson High:
Jordan Russell Davis, 17, and several other teenagers were sitting in a sport utility vehicle in the parking lot when Dunn pulled up next to them in a car and asked them to turn down their music, Schoonover said.
Jordan and Dunn exchanged words, and Dunn pulled a gun and shot eight or nine times, striking Jordan twice, Schoonover said. Jordan was sitting in the back seat. No one else was hurt.Dunn’s attorney Monday said her client acted responsibly and in self-defense. She did not elaborate.
Schoonover also said that “there were words exchanged” between the two, and Dunn claims to have felt “threatened” before opening fire.
According to his father Ron Davis, the teenager died in the arms of his friend in the car. Ron said his son was unarmed.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/11/27/1244411/jordan-russell-davis/

This defense crap has caused open season on unarmed black people. Hopefully sanity prevails and that angry bigot spends the rest of his life looking at cement blocks and steel bars.

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Reply White Man Shoots And Kills Black Student In Florida After Argument Over Loud Music (Original post)
appleannie1 Nov 2012 OP
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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:04 PM

1. defending himself against loud music ? the fucker was looking to kill someone

lets see who tries to defend this

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:04 PM

2. I agree.

This was inexcusable. A 17-year-old kid SHOT, just for having loud music in the car? It's like Florida's gone back to the Thirties, or something.

R.I.P. Jordan Davis. You won't be forgotten.

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Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:02 PM

36. No ... Let's be fair ...

A 17-year-old kid SHOT, was not shot just for having loud music in the car ... He was shot because he was a 17-year-old kid, sitting in the backseat of a car playing loud music and someone, in the car said something threatening to the white guy that felt it his duty to tell them to turn their music down!

I can only imagine how threatened this white man felt when told by one of these Black teens, "Kiss my ass!"

The REAL victim here is the white guy ... He had to endure listening to that horrid loud music because he could just drive off, grumbling to himself about how uncouth and inconsiderate those savages were ... Oh, wait ...

In Florida, words are now a threat warranting deadly force? I'ma keep my Black a$$ out of that state!

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #36)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:04 PM

38. Yeah, Florida's definitely gone way downhill. n/t

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #36)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:20 PM

78. I am keeping my black ass out of the state and I am not even black.

I hope this is the tipping point. I hope this cat gets twenty-five years. What kind of sick lunatic does this? Florida is blue. time to start making some changes.

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:05 PM

3. Well, as long as he felt threatened...

...

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Response to ananda (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:08 PM

5. and after all- they WERE black.

 

so 'feeling threatened' goes without saying.

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Response to BlueMan Votes (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:51 PM

30. How sad it seems like it is open season on black youths. I will never step foot in FL.

 

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Response to BlueMan Votes (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:03 PM

37. They were probably "talking black" at him too

What's the problem here, officer?

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:07 PM

4. Holy CRAP

No Way.

Not liking someone's music, and someone not bowing to your request/demand, doesn't mean you get to shoot them.

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:09 PM

6. Another cause for the racist wing nuts

Who see George Zimmerman as a hero. They will raise a ton of money for this guy as well.

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:12 PM

7. Does he have a donation website up yet?

He'll probably make a fortune off this like that asshole Zimmerman.

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:18 PM

8. Let's wait for the facts.

The little bit that we have in these couple of paragraphs don't give us enough to make any kind of judgement on. If the man just pulled up and shot a kid for loud music, he would have been in cuffs as soon as the cops arrived. We are only hearing a few facts. Sometimes a reporter with an ax to grind will present a few tidbits to get people all worked up. Then when the truth comes out, they don't want to appear foolish, so they continue to defend the position that the reporter tricked them into. If this guy acted rashly, he will undoubtedly be charged, and we will have a months long trial to watch. If there were other facts that we don't know about, it would be better for us to wait for them.
Just my two cents. Do what you gotta do.

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Response to beemer27 (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:26 PM

14. By all means, lets...

But so far none of this is in dispute:

1. Dunn pulls up to convenience store next to four teens in a truck playing loud music
2. Dunn approaches them and "asks" them to turn it down
3. Verbal altercation
4. Dunn fires 8-9 rounds in the truck and speeds off
5. Dunn is tracked and surrenders to police the following morning

And for the record, no respectable crime reporter at a major outlet operates that way -- I'm saying that as a former reporter... None of this shit is made up; it's lifted directly from the charging documents...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #14)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:29 PM

16. Right?

I mean, how much "context" do you really need here?

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Response to markpkessinger (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:48 PM

28. I'm just playing with him...He knows the game by now...

He's the one (or at least one of the ones) always pissing on the Martin-Zimmerman discussions...I think he's from some non-DU gun forum...

If he ever changed up his schtick or writing style, it might actually take me longer than 10 seconds to spot him; but he's still using the same dull boilerplate posts and bullshit talking points that he had back in March...I'll give this to him at least: He's been persistent -- I'll alert; he gets banned and moves on to the next sock account, and lurks until one of these discussions pops up again...I've lost count, but he's had at least 20 (probably closer to 30) sock accounts banned this year, and god knows how many more in reserve...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #28)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:57 PM

97. 13 posts since Apr 9, 2009.

 

It could conceivably be a sock. But let's wait until all the facts are in.

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Response to beemer27 (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:30 PM

17. I thought that I did read that he's in custody

so he was put in cuffs pretty soon.

At least he was taken into custody I guess. But the kid's parents are mourning just the same.

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Response to beemer27 (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:36 PM

22. Welcome to DU, for however long you stick around here. nt

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #22)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:31 PM

88. He's been here since '09.

Wonder what his other twelve posts were about.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #88)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:02 PM

100. Probably Trayvon Martin... n/t

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Response to beemer27 (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:44 PM

26. Yeah.. right...

... "other facts"....


Umm hmmm. But of course.


Maybe that unarmed teen has a Facebook "gangsta" persona and ....

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #26)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:22 PM

81. EEK! Maybe the dead kid tested + for THC.

That should be enough to justify a shooting, shouldn't it?

Maybe he pulled a Twinkie on the white guy.

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Response to beemer27 (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:01 PM

35. Uh huh

Whatever you say, Annie Oakley.

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Response to beemer27 (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:07 PM

41. Not sure what you are asking. You dont want us to discuss this until a point in the future when

we have "the facts"? When will we know when that is? Will there be a signal of some sort.

"If the man just pulled up and shot a kid for loud music, he would have been in cuffs as soon as the cops arrived." Ahhh if it were only so. If a black man pulled up and shot a white kid for loud music, he'd been lucky to have ended up in cuffs and not shot dead on the spot.

I think the new mentality is that if a white man shoots an unarmed black kid, then he was just standing his ground.

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Response to beemer27 (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:29 PM

52. in your opinion, what would justify shooting 9 rounds..

into a parked vehicle full of unarmed people? i'm real fucking interested to get your take on this.

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Response to beemer27 (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:22 PM

80. Guy's jailed sans bail on murder and attempted charges

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Response to beemer27 (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:01 PM

99. The kid died inside the car in his friends arms. Are you shitting me.

Whatever...

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Response to beemer27 (Reply #8)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:51 PM

106. Ah, come on. Not that crud again - wait hell, facts are clear.

The Gunner might walk, but the facts are clear enough for me, and most.

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:18 PM

9. I'm amused that Dunn was arrogant enough to approach four strangers about loud music...

Unless of course he was looking to start something from the first minute...

He probably would have ignored it completely if he wasn't carrying....

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:53 PM

31. Maybe not.

I approached a young man at a gas station a while back and asked him to turn down his music. I was pumping gas and it was bothering me, really. The loud loud low base some people insist on forcing on the rest of us hurts my ears badly. So I had to walk over to get his attention and then asked him to turn it down. I had never thought about the fact that maybe he would react badly to my asking, but this story makes me think I should be more careful in the future.

It is possible that this man just wanted the music turned down and the persons he asked didn't take kindly to being asked or told to do so. There are a lot of people in this world who don't care if what they do bothers other people, so maybe it wasn't Dun who decided to start something.

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Response to jackbenimble (Reply #31)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:11 PM

42. And did you shoot the guy ...

when he told you to Kiss his a$$?

Why do people, especially DUers, think that because something bothers them ... not threatens them ... not hurts them ... they have the right to impose their will on someone else? Especially, when it is just as easy to just suck it up and move along.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #42)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:25 PM

48. He didn't say anything like that.

In fact just the opposite. Apologized and turned it down. Seemed like a nice kid and I thanked him for being so. If he had reacted badly and threatened me or assaulted me I would have defended myself as best I could. Seeing as how I am not a gun dealer, or one who carries guns around with me I wouldn't have shot him, no. And BTW, it did hurt my ears and my head. Sounds can hurt. Not only that but I wasn't the one breaking the law.

Let's turn your question around and ask why some people think they have the right to impose their incredibly loud 'music' on everyone else when they could just suck it up and turn it down.

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Response to jackbenimble (Reply #48)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:19 PM

77. OK, turn the question around

"Let's turn your question around and ask why some people think they have the right to impose their incredibly loud 'music' on everyone else when they could just suck it up and turn it down."

1. It's a public place...If the music was that window-shaking loud (and I seriously doubt it was, especially if he had a stock OEM sound system), then it's up to the manager of the gas station to take action...

2. The kid *might* have been inconsiderate to those around him, but Dunn still has zero fucking authority to do anything (it's clear he's used to giving orders to people)...He can make his request (and we still don't know yet if his request was polite and considerate), hope that it is honored, and move on...Of course if Dunn *really* wanted to be a dick he could have called the cops about noise pollution (and of course the cops would have given zero fucks about it)...


Now let me turn a question on to you: Why do some people think they have the right to introduce violence in the pettiest of arguments, and put bullets in anything or anyone who upsets them? Why do so many of the arguments ended by gunfire only involve ONE armed party?? What is it about carrying a gun that gives some people a carte blanche mentality to confront anybody about anything?

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #77)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:20 AM

111. I haven't the slightest idea why.

I find myself asking the same thing every time I watch the news.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #42)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:49 PM

64. When some ass wheels in front of my house at 3AM

and the bass shakes my walls, my thoughts often veer to violence.

Also, when we are doing some acoustic recording...

when you are playing blooz and in a groove, sometimes there is no second chance.

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Response to DollarBillHines (Reply #64)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:22 PM

82. I don't particularly appreciate those with loud mufflers at 3am

But I've never felt the urge to open fire on them. If they hang around, calling the cops seems like a reasonable alternative.

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Response to jackbenimble (Reply #31)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:26 PM

49. I'm not even sure why it would matter...

Dunn has stopped at the gas station for ONE thing, in and out under three minutes, at the most...Absent of other details, I'll give the benefit of doubt and assume Dunn asked in a polite, respectful manner...Once he heard a negative answer (regardless of whether it was polite or not), why the hell wouldn't he ignore the music, get his wine and get out?

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #49)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:40 PM

59. I think we don't know

what transpired after he asked. Maybe he didn't ask politely and the interaction escalated from there. Maybe he did ask politely and the response scared the living hell out of him. We just don't know yet. Hopefully the gas station has cameras that can paint a clear picture of what happened.

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Response to jackbenimble (Reply #59)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:54 PM

65. We'll see, but

anything short of "Without warning, the victim jumped out of his truck with fists flying..." or something similar won't hold water...And just for fun, can you possibly imagine ANY possible verbal response that would "...scare the living hell out of him"?? because I sure can't...

There were at least FOUR witnesses (the shooter's wife and the other three teens) who will be able to tell their own stories, so we'll see how it plays out...

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Response to jackbenimble (Reply #31)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:08 PM

72. I absolutely hate those

boombox cars with a pounding bass with a white-hot purple passion and, despite my hearing impairment, they also make my ears bleed (which should give you an idea of just how loud it is!). But I would never, ever even consider going up to a strange car and asking someone to turn it down. No. Way. You just don't ever know. I just suck it up and deal with it, especially if it's only going to be a few minutes.

That being said, I don't know how that attorney can claim that her asshole of a client acted "responsibly and in self-defense". HE instigated it and HE pulled his gun out first, and the kids weren't armed. WTF is this stupid goddamned "stand your ground" bullshit doing to that state? Of course, when you have a Florida judge dropping murder charges against someone who chased a mugger for blocks and then stabbed him in the back as he was still trying to flee, claiming that the "stand your ground" applied, WTF else can we expect? Hell, I'm white and I wouldn't even want to be in Florida or any other SYG state. I can only imagine how someone who isn't white must feel.

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Response to jackbenimble (Reply #31)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:51 PM

95. Where I come from

someone doing what you did means he's looking for trouble. How much trouble he gets depends on who he pisses off. You would be wise to exercise more caution in the future.

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Response to sulphurdunn (Reply #95)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:04 AM

107. I guess where I come from that isn't the norm.

I didn't know the kid, but the area is small enough that someone I know knew him or his family. And being able to say you know someone's family still means something around here. Guess it isn't so bad living here after all.

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Response to jackbenimble (Reply #31)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:09 AM

109. Unfortunately for your house of cards, Dunn actually shot the teenager dead, so it looks like Dunn

is actually the one at fault here.

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:59 PM

68. Bingo!

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:18 PM

10. I guess anytime an armed white man is scared he's justified to shoot someone

It goes double for arguments that he starts himself against unarmed people of color.

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:19 PM

11. It Will be Interesting, Ma'am, To See What Rises From the RKBA Fever-Swamps To Bite At This....

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:49 PM

29. I'm on their shit list. Thank you for saying this.

 

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:12 AM

110. Already in the thread, Sir.

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:22 PM

12. Using lethal force to defend self is not about "feeling threatened"


This guy will need a better lawyer.

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:24 PM

13. Murder in the first degree.

 

Under florida law, this man will have to be sentenced to death.

Damn gun collectors - I wish all guns were banned from the United States and people learn how to use a stick.

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Response to Panasonic (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:30 PM

18. He'll probably plead it down to manslaughter

and get ready for the "twinkie/alcoholism/antidepressants/caffeine/hay fever/etc..." defense to mitigate the sentence...

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Response to Panasonic (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:36 PM

21. Do more than wish. Join and support the Brady Campaign or the VPC.

Last edited Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:04 PM - Edit history (1)

http://www.bradycampaign.org/


http://www.vpc.org/


Be sure to donate both your time, but more importantly, your money.

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Response to oneshooter (Reply #21)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:11 PM

43. I don't know how to interpret your "impotently, your money". nt

 

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Response to jody (Reply #43)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:33 PM

54. Yeah. I'm "impotent"... Hmmm

 

I might just look into Brady and VPC - thanks for your suggestions.

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Response to jody (Reply #43)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:55 PM

66. Wow, your smart aleck answer caused me to click on the links

Thanks.

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Response to Panasonic (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:56 PM

33. Murder in the first degree

"I wish all guns were banned from the United States and people learn how to use a stick. " I wish that also, fervently. It will never come to pass.

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:28 PM

15. Are the races of the parties involved relevant?

If not, why include them in the headline?

If so, how?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:33 PM

20. Huh?

You don't think the races of the parties are relevant? Do you not think these "stand your ground" shootings seem to racially motivated?

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Response to gollygee (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:43 PM

24. Probably not, its just that the white on white shootings don't get sensationalized.

 

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Response to Pacafishmate (Reply #24)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:59 PM

34. Or Black on Black

 

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Response to Pacafishmate (Reply #24)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:27 PM

51. Unless there's an attractive white woman involved somehow, you mean...

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Response to oberliner (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:38 PM

23. Simple... White shooter Black victim are a great sensational headline.

It's not news, it's entertainment. Toss in some key phrases like "Stand your ground" and boom you've got some good entertainment. If your looking for news, the last thing you want to do is go to a news website or channel. The daily show sadly is more honest than the "real" news. I'm not sure if John Stewart is the funniest smart-guy or smartest funny-guy, but I do know he is at least very, very honest.

If the race of the shooter and victim are both black or both white it does not make for good headlines; so you need to sensationalize it in other ways.

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Response to Glassunion (Reply #23)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:34 PM

55. So a well-heeled exec gunning down a carful of teens over loud music isn't news...got it...

jesus christ, it would be NATIONAL news if it was, say, four white high school cheerleaders...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #55)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:12 PM

75. Your right. I'm not saying that it is not news at all.

I'm simply pointing out the sensationalism of the media. They love stories like this, it sells papers and ad space.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:30 PM

53. Without knowing much about the shooter, I'll hazard a guess

and say he *probably* wouldn't have been so quick to pop off rounds if there were four white teens in the car...

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:32 PM

19. We shall see.

Shooter was arrested and charged with murder and attempted murder and is being held without bail. He's more than welcome to try and use the "stand your ground" defense, however I doubt it will pan out for him. There are a lot of details still to come.

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Response to Glassunion (Reply #19)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:10 PM

74. TY for the information. This could have been averted at several points. He chose not to do that.

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:44 PM

25. From a Florida paper

Dunn's girlfriend and the driver of Jordan's vehicle were in Gate Food Post, 8251 Southside Blvd., when the shooting happened. Dunn and his girlfriend took off afterward, and witnesses jotted down their tag number, deputies said.

They were staying in a Jacksonville hotel when they heard a news report Saturday morning indicating someone had died in the shooting, deputies said. They then returned to Brevard.

Dunn, a gun collector, was arrested Saturday at his home in Satellite Beach on charges of murder and attempted murder. He was being held without bail.

Jordan, who was a student at Samuel W. Wolfson High School, a magnet school in Duval County, will be buried in his hometown of Marietta, Ga. He is survived by his parents and a brother. Jordan worked at Winn-Dixie, according to his Facebook page.

Florida corporate records show Dunn is vice president of Dunn & Dunn Data Systems in Vero Beach. He supervises software development, according to his LinkedIn profile.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-11-26/news/os-teen-shot-dead-loud-music-20121126_1_gun-collector-argument-over-loud-music-michael-dunn

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Response to appleannie1 (Reply #25)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:40 PM

60. what he heard was a detailed description and his license plate read on the tv..

who the fuck in their right mind empties a magazine into a car and then just drives off as if nothing happened?

"Oh hey, honey. You know that car you lit up last night? Looks like someone may have died."

"Gosh, we'd better turn ourselves in then. It's the responsible thing to do."

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Response to appleannie1 (Reply #25)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:44 PM

61. Translation: They fled, hid out in a hotel and hoped nobody caught their plate number...

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Response to appleannie1 (Reply #25)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:48 PM

94. Oh for the love of God...

This has to end!

Schoonover also said that “there were words exchanged” between the two, and Dunn claims to have felt “threatened” before opening fire.

He felt threatened...the then shot him multiple times! That must have been some treat!

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #94)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:08 AM

108. NRA teaches you to keep shooting until the threat is "neutralized," or some such crud.

And the "law-abiding" gun weilder gets first chance to determine that.

Guy would have tolerated music for a few minutes if he had not been toting. Or he would have blared his horn, or danced to the music.

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:46 PM

27. More -

Dunn's girlfriend and the driver of Jordan's vehicle were in Gate Food Post, 8251 Southside Blvd., when the shooting happened. Dunn and his girlfriend took off afterward, and witnesses jotted down their tag number, deputies said.

They were staying in a Jacksonville hotel when they heard a news report Saturday morning indicating someone had died in the shooting, deputies said. They then returned to Brevard.

Dunn, a gun collector, was arrested Saturday at his home in Satellite Beach on charges of murder and attempted murder. He was being held without bail.

Jordan, who was a student at Samuel W. Wolfson High School, a magnet school in Duval County, will be buried in his hometown of Marietta, Ga. He is survived by his parents and a brother. Jordan worked at Winn-Dixie, according to his Facebook page.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-11-26/news/os-teen-shot-dead-loud-music-20121126_1_gun-collector-argument-over-loud-music-michael-dunn

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 06:56 PM

32. He's going to jail unless a weapon is produced from inside that car

 

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:05 PM

39. There nothing suspicious about it

The guy murdered the kid for no good reason. Guilty. Next.

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:06 PM

40. Argument over loud music led to teen's fatal shooting, cops say

11:01 p.m. EST, November 26, 2012
By Susan Jacobson, Orlando Sentinel

A Brevard County man was in jail Monday, accused of shooting a teenager dead in an argument over loud music ...

Dunn's girlfriend and the driver of Jordan's vehicle were in Gate Food Post, 8251 Southside Blvd., when the shooting happened. Dunn and his girlfriend took off afterward, and witnesses jotted down their tag number, deputies said.

They were staying in a Jacksonville hotel when they heard a news report Saturday morning indicating someone had died in the shooting, deputies said. They then returned to Brevard.

Dunn, a gun collector, was arrested Saturday at his home in Satellite Beach on charges of murder and attempted murder. He was being held without bail ...

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-11-26/news/os-teen-shot-dead-loud-music-20121126_1_gun-collector-argument-over-loud-music-michael-dunn

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:13 PM

44. WTF

he pulls up next to them and starts hassling them about loud music? AT A HIGH SCHOOL???

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Response to Skittles (Reply #44)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:22 PM

79. it was a gas station/convenience store...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #79)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:53 PM

96. but still....he could just...drive away?

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:14 PM

45. This post has a negative view of guns so therefore should be moved to the gungeon.

 

Sorry. All posts that shed a negative light on guns must be hidden.

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Response to Whovian (Reply #45)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:34 PM

57. Best laugh of the week. +10000000000000000

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:15 PM

46. Running and hiding

won't help his defense.

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:16 PM

47. If I were on a jury, I'd consider this premeditated murder.

 

Premeditation can occur in the moment before the trigger is pulled.

This guy is a first degree murderer.

Florida also has the DP and were I on the jury, I would vote to apply the DP in this case.

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Response to RomneyLies (Reply #47)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:44 PM

92. I'd think a white CEO that killed a black teen

spending a life time in general population might be a greater punishment than death.

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:26 PM

50. The kid that died was probably wearing a hoodie.

I'm sure we'll here crap like that in this case.

You know, I'm not a violent person. I don't even own a gun but if it was my son that got shot by this piece of shit, he'd better hope that he gets a nice long prison sentence because there would be serious repercussions if he got off because of some bullshit law that condones murder like this.

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:34 PM

56. Another example of law-abiding gun carrier, NRA and bigotry producing a tragedy.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #56)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:32 PM

89. They all claim to be law abiding gun owners....

until they're not.

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Response to secondvariety (Reply #89)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:42 PM

91. Exactly. It is really hard to understand.

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:36 PM

58. Another lynching in America of a black person.

 

ALL LEGAL GUNS need to be banned from the street and if forced to keep them legal, make them legal ONLY in the owners home, with a sign on the door saying a gun is there.

It is the NRA and Legal guns that allow these asssassinations to keep taking place

May Mayor Mike be the great equalizer against the NRA

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:46 PM

62. I'll be interested to know...

....what Mr. Dunn's blood alcohol level was at the time. Will the authorities even check?

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:48 PM

63. He was well prepared

to be threatened, with a gun readily available to kill....Right
PATHETIC!
This trigger happy racist was waiting for an opportunity!

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:58 PM

67. He couldn't have just driven away?

He murdered the boy.

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #67)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:08 PM

73. Oh, of course not....

....you know it's time to "take back our country", right?

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:03 PM

69. "This defense crap has caused open season on unarmed black people." Some of us.......

were saying the same thing back when the Trayvon Martin situation was happening back in the Spring. In the racist mind, this is EXACTLY what the SYG laws signify.

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:06 PM

70. No room for debate. It's murder.

 

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:07 PM

71. I dont get it

I simply don't why have we resorted to killing each other over petty bullshit I especially don't understand this racist shit anymore under the skin we bleed the same blood feel pain the same way

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:14 PM

76. Yes, but was he wearing a hoodie?

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:23 PM

83. Murder plain and simple n/t

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:24 PM

84. I'm sure the usual suspects will be along soon to explain how it's the black kid's fault.

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Response to LeftyMom (Reply #84)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:34 PM

90. Probably searching the web for his juvie and school disciplinary records right now...

along with anything he's ever typed on social media...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #90)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:45 PM

93. If nothing comes up there's always photoshop. You know those magnet school kids, pure trouble.

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:25 PM

85. WTF is going on down there???

 

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:27 PM

86. Some more reports on this incident:

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:30 PM

87. .

......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................Rest in Peace Jordan Russell Davis

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:00 PM

98. I don't care who you are....there is absolutely NO WAY this is self defense.

This is a teenager playing loud music. It's normal. This is disgusting. Racism lives strong and hard.

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:09 PM

101. This guy will be a hero

to the Gungeon dwellers and they will support his "right" to open fire on anyone he provokes, and who then has the audacity to tell him to go fuck himself.

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:46 PM

102. quoth Dunn Jr.

Thanks for making my wedding day so special, Dad.

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Response to catrose (Reply #102)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:29 PM

104. I shouldn't laugh, but so true.

 

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:21 PM

103. Kicking for the night crew (n/t)

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:47 PM

105. LOUD ?

LOUD MUSIC KILLS

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:21 AM

112. WTF Florida? n/t

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Response to appleannie1 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:56 AM

113. Locking

This topic does not meet the SoP for GD. Please consider reposting in the appropriate Group.

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