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Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:37 AM

You Want to Raise the Retirement Age? Walk a Mile In Our Shoes First

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(Chuck Todd: Republicans will give Democrats all the revenue they want, if they just agree to raise the retirement age. Trust them.)

I don't know about anyone else, but as someone who has actually worked at one of those jobs where you take a shower at the end of the work day and not before you go in, I'm sick to death of watching these overpaid television pundits and their counterparts in the Congress, nonchalantly discussing raising the retirement age. It may not matter much to them, but there are real economic hardships involved when you force the average wage earner out there to continue to work until they drop dead if the retirement age is raised any higher than it already is now.

If our beltway Villagers and politicians really believe that it's no big deal to raise the retirement age for the rest of America, how about we ask them to walk a mile in our shoes? I wonder if any of them would decide that maybe it's not such a great idea to be doing physical labor well into your late sixties if they were the ones actually having to do those jobs?

I wonder if Chuck Todd would be a little more worried about when he might be able to retire if he were say, some migrant worker picking berries and in need of daily visits to the chiropractor he can't afford because his back is screaming all day from being bent over?


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Reply You Want to Raise the Retirement Age? Walk a Mile In Our Shoes First (Original post)
eridani Nov 2012 OP
amandabeech Nov 2012 #1
CTyankee Nov 2012 #18
amandabeech Nov 2012 #29
Fridays Child Nov 2012 #2
Warpy Nov 2012 #3
Skittles Nov 2012 #6
nichomachus Nov 2012 #20
Warpy Nov 2012 #22
nichomachus Nov 2012 #28
greatauntoftriplets Nov 2012 #52
Joe Shlabotnik Nov 2012 #4
JimDandy Nov 2012 #30
Joe Shlabotnik Nov 2012 #31
daleo Nov 2012 #47
easychoice Nov 2012 #5
OKNancy Nov 2012 #7
Scuba Nov 2012 #8
eridani Nov 2012 #10
Cobalt Violet Nov 2012 #9
etherealtruth Nov 2012 #12
LOCDOC58 Nov 2012 #57
ReRe Nov 2012 #11
eridani Nov 2012 #13
ReRe Nov 2012 #14
jtuck004 Nov 2012 #15
Le Taz Hot Nov 2012 #39
jtuck004 Nov 2012 #40
Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #54
Martin Eden Nov 2012 #16
reformist2 Nov 2012 #24
Salviati Nov 2012 #53
Martin Eden Nov 2012 #63
Salviati Nov 2012 #65
newspeak Nov 2012 #64
Rockyj Nov 2012 #17
forestpath Nov 2012 #19
Romulox Nov 2012 #21
reformist2 Nov 2012 #23
Cobalt Violet Nov 2012 #25
onethatcares Nov 2012 #38
liberal N proud Nov 2012 #26
Patiod Nov 2012 #27
LiberalEsto Nov 2012 #32
eridani Nov 2012 #33
flamingdem Nov 2012 #45
former-republican Nov 2012 #46
LOCDOC58 Nov 2012 #56
LiberalEsto Nov 2012 #59
Horse with no Name Nov 2012 #34
Ilsa Nov 2012 #35
Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #36
eridani Nov 2012 #37
Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #42
eridani Nov 2012 #49
Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #50
eridani Nov 2012 #51
Honeycombe8 Nov 2012 #55
eridani Nov 2012 #60
JNelson6563 Nov 2012 #41
sorefeet Nov 2012 #43
Liberal_in_LA Nov 2012 #61
flamingdem Nov 2012 #44
bluestate10 Nov 2012 #48
eridani Nov 2012 #62
Hoyt Nov 2012 #58
cecilfirefox Nov 2012 #66
B Calm Nov 2012 #67

Response to eridani (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:44 AM

1. My dad was an autobody repairman. He was always handling some large piecee of

sheet metal or handling pneumatic power tools like grinders.

When he was 60, he developed arthritis in his hands, which were so important. He didn't make much money (too much of a perfectionist) and couldn't retire. In fact, he couldn't retire at 62, either. He had to keep on going to 65.

Back then, your SS benefit was determined by your last five years' income. He bore it stoicly. Thank heavens that my Mom had a less physically demanding job (elem. teacher) and her income and Medigap policy helped immensely.

I just wonder how Chuckie Todd or Robert Halperin or Joe Scar himself would handle that if they woke up and were in my Dad's situation.

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Response to amandabeech (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:04 AM

18. So right! We have a good friend, a plumber, who has had to retire early at 62 because his left

shoulder is shot from carrying heavy fixtures for 35 years, his knees are both getting replaced due to having worked on them for so many years and his eyes are in bad shape because he was a solderer before he was a plumber. Thankfully, he worked for the state university system and is in a union which covers him with medical insurance until he reaches Medicare age. And he has a pension.

Our auto mechanic has none of that. His wife died at an early age from a cancer that wasn't caught in time because he was self employed and could not afford decent medical insurance. His sons and daughter work in his shop and their kids are on state health care. They all work like dogs and have seen their income drop because of the recession. They are good people and incredibly hard working but are Republicans and I can't figure it out.

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:50 PM

29. Anyone in a job that requires physical effort should be able to get some sort of help

and medical care at 55.

Sometimes folks can do something else part-time, but so many are just physically shot by then, if not earlier.

Unfortunately, they're stoic. I wish that they would become politically active to try to show the white collar types in congress what it's like in the real world.

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:53 AM

2. k/r

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:13 AM

3. They'd have been whimpering for a sit down break within half an hour

if they ever tried following a nurse around. And that's just following, they wouldn't even being heaving 300 pounders out of bed and half carrying them to the bathroom or out into the hall for a post surgical walk.

Men who sit at desks in air conditioned offices really don't know what they're talking to when it comes to retirement. The age needs to be lowered, not raised, with people able to draw half benefits in their mid 50s, corporate expiration date and when most of us doing physical jobs start having significant pain in our bodies.

Not all work is office work and most of the rest of it wrecks our bodies. Having us unable to work for 10 years or more until our benefits kick in is a recipe for having all of us start the disability paperwork at age 50 so we can approved at 55 when we need it. And disability pays more than social security does and that will cancel out any benefit of having people ineligible until they are 70.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:36 AM

6. don't diss all "office work"

monitoring multiple computer screens and excessive typing for 12 hours a a pop for decades have wrecked my eyes and hands, and believe me your ass and back can truly ache if you cannot get up for extended periods of time. And don't even get me started on what being on a conference call for nine hours with offshore workers does to your mind

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Response to Skittles (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:12 AM

20. I've all types of work

Hard physical work, office work, etc. It all takes a toll on you unless you're one of the 10 percent who sits around, has someone get their coffee for them, can spend hours shooting the shit, can take time off whenever you want, has someone to do all the chores for you.

My last job was an office job, and I came home at the end of the day so tired that I didn't have the energy to make dinner.

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Response to nichomachus (Reply #20)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:33 AM

22. I was mentally fried after a day of office work

but it didn't come anywhere near the toll on my body that nursing did.

Sorry folks, but watching screens and typing all day is not the same. It just turns your brain to mush after a while, especially when they keep piling on the work and the stress.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #22)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 01:31 PM

28. Not all office work is "watching screens all day."

That would be like saying nursing is just "jabbing people with needles and gabbing at the nurses' station all day."

My office job was physically demanding -- doing repetitive tasks, while sitting down. At the end of the day, I had a headache. My arms and shoulders ached. My back was starting to go out on me.

You need to walk in someone else's shoes before you characterize their work. (And yes, I have done patient care in a hospital -- and in the field -- so I know what nurses do.)

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Response to Skittles (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 07:44 AM

52. Nine hours on a conference call would turn me into a stark, raving lunatic!

That said, I agree with you about office work. It's taxing as hell. Plus, not all disabilities are a result of physical labor. Some are due to illness.

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:17 AM

4. Its seriously wrong.

Here in Canada our retirement age unexpectedly and for no good reason just jumped to 67, for anyone who is currently under 54 years old. Make no mistake that when federal elections roll around, the Conservative party will be turfed. Raising the retirement age and disenfranchising a huge portion of the electorate is political suicide.

But most importantly it is inhumane to those who really work.

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Response to Joe Shlabotnik (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 05:42 PM

30. Sorry to hear that. What age was it previously? n/t

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 05:54 PM

31. It was 65.

The Conservatives never hinted or mentioned changing the age when they were campaigning, but once they won with a majority, they slipped it into the budget, and theres nothing anyone can do about it, unless it gets repealed/restored by the next party in power.

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Response to Joe Shlabotnik (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:53 PM

47. I agree with you

This issue, among others, but especially this issue, will kill them.

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:32 AM

5. They want you dead before you can collect,plain and simple...


I know people,damned good people, that are around retirement age and they really shouldn't be working.They are worn out and they should be resting.
I am lucky,I got out and retired on my investments early before they started moving the goal posts around.I swear Boner & Co. cannot grasp the concept of empathy.
What is even more disgusting is that they wouldn't hire an elderly worker if you held a gun to their heads.

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:39 AM

7. It's disgusting. My husband is holding on, but

I don't know how much longer he can last ( he is 60 ).

And another thing ... the longer people work, the tighter the job market is for younger people.
When young people can't find work, it brings on all sorts of negative social problems as well as the expected economic problems.

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:53 AM

8. Krugman dismantles the bullshit argument here ...

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Response to Scuba (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 05:03 AM

10. Excellent! n/t

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 05:01 AM

9. I'm 53 and I'm in this situation.

I will be very pissed off. I can barely stand it now. Not sure how I will be able to do this even another 9 years.

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Response to Cobalt Violet (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 05:24 AM

12. I hear you

I am fifty and it has become increasingly difficult to do my job. half of my job is climbing stacks, climbing into machine pits and walking (climbing) in industrial sites .... the other half is writing about it ... there is no way most people can continue to do this into their late 60s, much less 70!

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Response to etherealtruth (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 08:49 AM

57. Dad

Dad is 92 work's sun up to sundown 2-3 hours of chopping wood a day picking up nut's never stop's.

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 05:22 AM

11. K&R

I think they should LOWER the age for Medicare. It's hard for people to remain employed until age 65. I don't know what the life expectancy is now, but I can't imagine that it's what it used to be. Many people have died from curable diseases simply because they didn't have the money for their meds or adequate healthcare. There are people that are eligible for Medicare, but won't apply for it because they don't want the stigma of being on the public dole. I tell ya', this is one mentally ill effing country. When those wingers get up there on the floor of the House or Senate and brag that we have the best medical care system in the world, I want to reach right into that TV and slap them. Take them by the shoulders and shake them. If you haven't seen Michael Moore's SICKO, get it. And make your family's watch it. Make your friends watch it. Go check it out of the Library. If there's not one there, buy it on the internet and when you have showed it to all your family and friends, donate it to the library.

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Response to ReRe (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 05:27 AM

13. Life expectancy is dropping for lower income people

Particularly women.

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Response to eridani (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:04 AM

14. It's almost like they want...

... them to die, doesn't it? I can't believe this is America. Thanks for informing me on the life expectancy question.

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Response to ReRe (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:09 AM

15. them? Us. If you aren't at the table, you're on the menu. n/t

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Response to jtuck004 (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 06:29 AM

39. Oh, I am SO going to steal that.

LOL!

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #39)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 02:59 PM

40. That's ok, I stole it from some politician during recent discussions about screwing


the most vulnerable favor of the wealthy.

The wealthy won...that one, anyway. But it ain't over...

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Response to eridani (Reply #13)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 07:50 AM

54. Well...the group with the lowest life expectancy in the US are African American men

Note that their expectancy rate at this time is 67.5. White males are at 75. So when they want to raise retirement to 67, what does this tell us?

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:31 AM

16. This trend was supposed to go the other way.

Growing up in the 60's, I remember talk about the future was almost always about how all the technological advances and increased productivity would result in more free quality time for the average person to do things other than work themselves into an early grave.

What happened to all that?

There sure have been a lot of technical advances and increases in productivity, but who is reaping the lion's share of the benefits from that?

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Response to Martin Eden (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:39 AM

24. +1000. All the profits of our modern society are winding up in Cayman Island tax shelters...


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Response to Martin Eden (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 07:46 AM

53. This graph is why the wealthiest are doing better than ever,

Why we have the highest levels in inequality since the gilded age.

It makes me pissed off just looking at it.


http://www.irle.berkeley.edu/events/spring08/feller/

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Response to Salviati (Reply #53)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 10:38 AM

63. Looks like the big split began with Reagan

Ironically, the blue collar "Reagan Democrats" took the biggest hit.

There is something fundamentally wrong with an economic system in which the benefits of technological progress are skimmed off the top by a fabulously wealthy minority, while the vast majority of hardworking citizens see their standard of living steadily decline or at best remain stagnant.

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Response to Martin Eden (Reply #63)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 06:11 PM

65. Yeah, I was 4 when he was elected in 1980, but when asked immediately name him as worst president

...of my lifetime.

I think that a lot of the problems that we are currently suffing from, can be directly traced back to his tenure in office.

To me it is a tell that someone really has a good handle as to what's going wrong when they refer to the "problems that started 30 years ago".

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Response to Martin Eden (Reply #16)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 12:11 PM

64. yes, back in the sixties there was still company loyalty

most workers had pensions, benefits and there was a since of loyalty between the company and its' workers. some of those workers were generational. then came the greedy, corrupt eighties, and publicly business gurus were telling the workers how exciting it was because now american workers are in such demand that you can work anywhere you want and company loyalty went out the window with "restructuring."

and the term "restructuring" is used a hell of a lot today. it's just business, nothing personal, right? my hubby, along with other fifty something workers were laid off. finding a job when you are in your fifties and sixties is a hard thing to accomplish. i don't won't to hear individual bullshite stories of success; i'm telling you it's damn hard.

these conceited compassionless nimrods on the hill have no clue how it's been with the rest of the plebes. my step son is a plumber, he's in his thirties and already has severe back problems. it is not easy getting SS disability and it doesn't pay enough to raise a young family.

they need to raise the cap and leave the age requirements alone. they've already done enough damage on the requirement issue under reagan.

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 08:42 AM

17. They need to LOWER IT instead!

To put more young people in the workplace paying in to SSI! Ageism is alive & well!

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:11 AM

19. That's just it...anybody who thinks that way has zero empathy or concern. Their attitude is

 

"I've got mine, screw you."

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:14 AM

21. We're now seeing life get worse for each new generation of Americans. The "dream" is over. nt

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:36 AM

23. We're a smart country - why can't we have different retirement ages for different types of work?


I wouldn't mind raising it to 67 for white-collar workers if we kept it at 65 for blue-collar workers. For some really back-breaking jobs (longshoremen, fishermen?) we could even move it *down*, to 62.

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Response to reformist2 (Reply #23)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:45 AM

25. it's already 67 for those born in 1960 or later.

I feel that those who keep saying lets raise it don't even know what it already is.

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Response to reformist2 (Reply #23)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 05:28 AM

38. as a carpenter at 61

it's not a walk in the park climbing trusses, scaffolding or ladders. Imagine tossing plywood around on a two story home or digging footers for those same homes.

trust me, it's not just the physical work, it's the balance and eye sight that goes too.

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:55 AM

26. They want to raise the retirement age all while the corporations are kicking people out younger

Companies don't let their employees get to full retirement age now, what do they expect us 50+ people to do when we get downsized or our jobs are eliminated?

Pulling at us at both ends to make sure we have to live on dog food. Cat food is too expensive.

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #26)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:31 PM

27. EXACTLY THIS

I might not have the back-breaking work that a nurse has, but office jobs want younger workers. Not fresh out of college where they have to train them, but they want everyone to be between 25 and 45. Anyone else is "too old".

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 06:09 PM

32. Nobody wants to hire people over 55

so what happens if you lose your job through no fault of your own? Starve until you turn 70, if you can last that long?

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Response to LiberalEsto (Reply #32)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 08:56 PM

33. That's exactly what the 1% assholes are advocating n/t

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Response to LiberalEsto (Reply #32)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:14 PM

45. Really, this is the point, there are no jobs anyway

It's better to have people retire early for that reason

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Response to LiberalEsto (Reply #32)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:27 PM

46. Very true , try applying for a job in your early or late 50's

 

Tough as hell to find an employer that will hire a person of this age.

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Response to former-republican (Reply #46)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 08:31 AM

56. JOB

NO jobs to be had.

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Response to former-republican (Reply #46)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 10:07 AM

59. Or when you're 60

Unemployed 4 years, now 60 = no hope of working again unless by some miracle we get another WPA with set-asides for us geezers

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:21 PM

34. I completely agree with Warpy

Nursing has killed my back and legs and arms.

Nursing has more on-the-job injuries than construction. Think about that.

The other thing...being exposed to every disease known to man takes its toll as well.

I am going to be starting the process for disability soon. My body is worn smooth out and I will make more money on disability than I will on Social Security. Not to mention the fact that I am under 55 and who knows what they will end up raising the retirement age to.

I can't go much longer.

My SO is going to get early SS this next year.

We are really afraid of any changes that might be on the horizon.

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:28 PM

35. Nurses, physical therapists, respiratory therapists,

Brick layers, plumbers, painters, concrete workers, construction workers, anything with physical labor or having to be on your feet most of the day (or night).
Did I mention night shift workers?

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:30 PM

36. Todd's just reporting what someone told him. Hint: Todd is not part of the govt.

He reports on things. He doesn't set policy or usu. express an opinion. And, oh yeah...HE'S A DEMOCRAT.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #36)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 02:04 AM

37. Only in the sense that Ben Nelson is a Democrat n/t

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Response to eridani (Reply #37)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:14 PM

42. You are seeing things through a foggy lens. You are seeing what you want to see.

That he's not partisan leads you to believe he's a Repub or on "their" side.

It is a good thing that a numbers guy is not partisan. If he were, he'd lose credibiity. Like Nate Silver. You like him, because you liked his numbrs. But he's a numbers guy. I would've liked him even if the result had been a projection for a Romney win. I am guessing you would have said about Silver what you are saying about Todd: he's on "their" side. That's how the Romney camp missed the reality of things. They convinced themselves that the numbers they didn't like were being told by people on "their" side.

I find Todd objective. Which is what he's supposed to be. One piece of evidence supporting that is...you couldn't tell what party he's in. (He's not only a Democrat; his wife is deeply involved in PROGRESSIVE Democratic organizations.)

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #42)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 06:47 AM

49. Here's some numbers for you. Medicare eligibility age raised fro 65 to 67

People fucking DIE waiting to get on Medicare! That policy is mass murder, period.

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Response to eridani (Reply #49)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 07:25 AM

50. Oh, I didnt realize Todd had raised the Medicare elgibility age. He's powerful!

I didn't realize he could do things like that all on his own!

But re Medicare, rather than talking mouths, Medicare changes are coming. Medicare is in financial trouble, in no small part to Part D, which was passed by Bush, cost trillion or more, and not paid for.

There is no plan out there for Medicare, at this time. Not by the Democrats,anyway.

I'm against raising the age, for the record. But someone will have to do something. I don't have the answer, and neither do you.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #50)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 07:31 AM

51. As a matter of fact, I DO have the answer

Single payer Medicare for All. If our overall per capita health care expenses were the same as in other developed countries (which pay on average about half what we do to take care of EVERYONE), there would be no deficit at all.

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Response to eridani (Reply #51)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 07:52 AM

55. That is not Medicare. Your fix for the CURRENT Medicare plan?

Your supposed fix is a totally different program. But taht's not a fix for the current Medicare.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #55)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 01:01 AM

60. Impose control of drug prices by federal negotiation for part D

Eliminate all Medicare Advantage plans that charge more than regular Medicare. Eliminate any profit-taking insurance plan.

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 03:25 PM

41. Strongly agree!

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:07 PM

43. I was done at 56

My body was totally shot. Industrial sandblaster, painter. Everything I touched weighed over 100 pounds it seemed like. Fuck yes when I was 40 I was a monster I was so strong, but it took a toll on the structure, the human body isn't designed for the manual stress. The parts wear out. Not to mention the chemicals, solvents and toxins that my body was saturated with I also have neuropathy from head to toe. And neuropathy SUCKS.
I want to puke when Hannity tells of how hard he has worked all his life. And Limbaugh like they actually EARN that 50 million a year.

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Response to sorefeet (Reply #43)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 01:37 AM

61. at one job, I would chat with the janitor in the evening, he explained that his knees

and legs hurt. The "trades" - carpentry, electrical, hvac of our institution were often seen taking breaks. Those with desks job thought they were slacking off. They explained to me that they only had so much work in them per day.

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:13 PM

44. I was a part of a focus group run out of D.C. and I have to say

of 15 people I was the only one complaining about the idea of raising the retirement age.

Everyone else said, well I have to work until I drop anyway..

They were very sheep-like, all working people, it made me upset that people give up like that.

No one had much in savings.

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:54 PM

48. I take a shower before work and after work and if I work out, during work.

But leaving the shower thing aside. I agree that some labor classes should be exempted from a higher retirement age. I think some labor classes should retire at 60 years. A person in my line of work can work as long as my mind is sharp because the physical demands on my body are low. The best system would have a tiered retirement age structure and allow people to either choose to retire early for their tier with reduced benefits, or work longer than their tier retirement age if they want to.

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #48)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:36 AM

62. And how many people stay in exactly the same line of work their entire lives? n/t

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Fri Nov 16, 2012, 09:01 AM

58. If it were a bit easier to qualify for disability under SS, that might help.


A lot of folks -- like whining republicans -- forget that that SS provides disability benefits and payments when a worker dies with kids.

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 06:13 PM

66. I understand the position but I do think some sort of social security & medicare

reform is going to be necessary to balance the budget. I also think that you need to responsible raise revenue alongside any sort of cuts or adjustment.

I understand how folks are so adverse to it but I think we're kind of at an 'all hands on deck' moment.

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 06:17 PM

67. The infant mortality rate is higher now

than it ever has been, thus giving the false impression that people are living longer. It's all bullshit propaganda to raise the retirement age and designed to get people to work cheap or starve!

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