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Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:29 PM

Paul Krugman: "How far should Obama go in accommodating GOP demands? My answer is, not far at all."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/09/opinion/krugman-lets-not-make-a-deal.html

Let’s Not Make a Deal

By PAUL KRUGMAN

Published: November 8, 2012

To say the obvious: Democrats won an amazing victory. Not only did they hold the White House despite a still-troubled economy, in a year when their Senate majority was supposed to be doomed, they actually added seats.

Nor was that all: They scored major gains in the states. Most notably, California — long a poster child for the political dysfunction that comes when nothing can get done without a legislative supermajority — not only voted for much-needed tax increases, but elected, you guessed it, a Democratic supermajority.

But one goal eluded the victors. Even though preliminary estimates suggest that Democrats received somewhat more votes than Republicans in Congressional elections, the G.O.P. retains solid control of the House thanks to extreme gerrymandering by courts and Republican-controlled state governments. And Representative John Boehner, the speaker of the House, wasted no time in declaring that his party remains as intransigent as ever, utterly opposed to any rise in tax rates even as it whines about the size of the deficit.

So President Obama has to make a decision, almost immediately, about how to deal with continuing Republican obstruction. How far should he go in accommodating the G.O.P.’s demands?

My answer is, not far at all. Mr. Obama should hang tough, declaring himself willing, if necessary, to hold his ground even at the cost of letting his opponents inflict damage on a still-shaky economy. And this is definitely no time to negotiate a “grand bargain” on the budget that snatches defeat from the jaws of victory.

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Well. This has to stop...

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:31 PM

1. My answer is, not far at all, too.

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Response to The Wielding Truth (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:33 PM

3. Me too

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Response to The Wielding Truth (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:40 PM

6. Verily

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:32 PM

2. Democrats should be totally driving the bus. will obama get on board or not? stay tuned nt

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:37 PM

4. I'm not going to hold my breath on this

Unfortunately, I think Krugman is being too optimistic here. What happens will let us know if Obama cares more about Morning Joe than the populist movement that actually elected him.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:38 PM

5. Mr. Krugman is ABSOLUTELY FUCKING RIGHT! NO SURRENDER! n/t

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Response to LiberalElite (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:50 PM

11. LiberalElite & Krugman are both ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY CORRRRRECT

NO SURRENDER! Needs to be our line in the sand. And this time WE the WINNERS need to CONTROL the MEDIA NARRATIVE on this.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:44 PM

7. If Mr. Obama was politically ruthless, he could goad the Republicans in the House to do their worst.

The economy would take a hit, but Mr. Obama isn't going to have to run for his seat in two years...but every House Republican will have to.

And Mr. Obama can hammer them mercilessly over their obstructionism every single day if he wanted to.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:49 AM

21. this is basically what Clinton did

Why at this point sign another round of Bush tax cuts?

They want tax cuts, to end the sequestering and to pretend to care about the debt ceiling. If their starting offer is no way to partial tax cuts like Obama wants... let them all go and see how happy they get. Once again all Obama has to do is nothing, the house is the one that has to act. All Obama has to say is, I will sign a tax cut with these provisions, I will be happy to raise the debt ceiling, I am happy to cut the debt IF ONLY THE REPUBLICANS ACT. Put the ball and the pressure on them, it is after all their job not Obama's.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:45 PM

8. How far is tooth and nail?

About there, if we're being generous.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:47 PM

9. He should stretch waaaayyyy up to his left with his right hand

and smack them right across their ugly mouth as hard as he can - like he shoulda done the first time. There was tons of dirt to dig up on the Republicans after the departure of W., Cheney and Turblossom. Probably enough to wreck them forever as a political party in much of the country. But it was allowed to settle back down to the bottom of the swamp and be forgotten. And did the Republicans acknowledge the favor of overlooking their many indiscretions? Oh yes - and in just the way which people who know them well knew they would.

Oops, forgot he is left handed. He should stretch waaaayyy up to his right with his left hand....

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Response to kenny blankenship (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:22 AM

42. Figuratively speaking of course.


Turtle McConnell needs to draw back into his shell and go hide under a rock. Ham Rove is smelling old. And the Orange guy has a lot to cry about, now!

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Response to Quantess (Reply #42)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:18 AM

77. haha

I always see McConnell as a turtle too!

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:47 PM

10. The Repubs are hurting. He should take advantage and show no quarter. nm

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #10)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:04 AM

24. PBO should draw the hard line and then say, "PLEASE PROCEED."

And that is all.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:56 PM

12. I hope they are listening to Dr Paul Krugman?

They are going to ask for more and more if you keep surrendering to the extortion.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:06 PM

13. Exactly. ENOUGH of the GOP's ideas! Where have those things gotten us? We need to cut a wide swath

in the consciousness of the American public. We need to be the party that has done more for the good of America - building infrastructure; spurring economic growth with stimulus ("priming the pump" to stimulate DEMAND, which is the real key to economic growth); dispelling all that talk about "evil government" or "supply side economics" and all the fervor for Privatization... all HORRIBLE REPUBLICAN IDEAS!!

And for God's sake, hopefully he realizes that Republicans are trying to get the U.S. to jump on the Austerity bandwagon. NO!! We don't need to join Greece and Spain so many other countries whose leaders have bought into that crap. That's the LAST thing we need.

Maybe I'm just old-fashioned, but I also hope that he will shake DLC influence right off and immerse himself in Democratic history from the 1930's through the 1970's. I'd suggest that for the whole party.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:07 PM

14. Obama doesn't have to worry about re-election. They do. Don't budge.

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Response to Viking12 (Reply #14)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:38 PM

18. Yep. That's it.

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Response to Viking12 (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:10 AM

25. +1

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Response to Viking12 (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:26 AM

31. The teabaggers don't give a shit about reelection.

All they care about is destroying the country.

It's going to be ugly.

For what it's worth I do agree with Krugman.

But Greenwald thinks that the Republicans will compromise.

That's naively optimistic.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:19 PM

15. Not far.

The people have spoken. Is President Obama listening?

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:24 PM

16. There's a reason why Krugman is not welcome at the White House

He doesn't even worship Simpson Bowles. WTF?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:32 AM

32. Simpson-Bowles didn't pass and was a joke.

It was primarily designed to move the budget crisis well into 2013 so that it could not be election fodder.

It worked.

Krugman is right that it's a joke (even terrible). We'll see what the President does.

One thing is for certain the teabaggers aren't going to work with the President.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:17 AM

40. WTF indeed, considering he practically campaigned for Obama in his columns this year

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:28 PM

17. Accommodate? No, *spit*...crush the little fascist weasels at every opportunity. nt

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:46 PM

19. Totally agree.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:10 AM

20. In 2008 he helped the GOP off the canvas.

 

It would be too bizarre if he did it again.

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Response to rudycantfail (Reply #20)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:31 AM

28. Yes, but he probably will

Now is as good a time as any to make him do the right thing.

I'm pretty sure he'll be a good centrist and strike some grand bargain that implements entitlement "reforms" to help with the budget deficit (which the entitlements had nothing to do with until the payroll tax cuts were implemented).

He seems to have dug his heels in about slightly raising the income tax rate for those making over $250,000. That's at least something for which to be thankful. Not much, though. The rich are rolling in money in this country, and they should be taxed appropriately in this country's time of great need.

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Response to dreamnightwind (Reply #28)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:04 AM

29. He's going to do whatever he wants

 

but it is good to know there are other people out there, such as yourself, who know what's going on.

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Response to dreamnightwind (Reply #28)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:09 AM

30. I do know this;

 

centrists are going to have to shelve the "Obama was too naive about who the GOP were when he first took office" argument and find a new excuse for him.

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Response to rudycantfail (Reply #30)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:34 AM

33. That's absolutely true.

But, then, we have people like Glenn Greenwald arguing that the Republicans will work with the President and DUers here reccing those threads.

I don't know if it's naive or willful!

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #33)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:49 AM

34. GG's opinion on a topic

 

is so insignificant compared to what President Obama does wrt taxes and the "grand bargain". Very odd that that would be a point out of the clear blue.

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Response to rudycantfail (Reply #34)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:13 AM

36. The point is that Obama's no longer naive about Republican obstructionism.

But supposed liberals are.

"The Republicans will work with Obama."

Bollocks. Obama needs to let the tax cuts expire and then, to top it off, call their bluff when they lose their shit.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #36)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:42 PM

62. No, the point is Obama was not that naive in the first place.

 

DLC lovin centrists used that lame excuse to explain the inexplicable - that a man as intelligent, worldly and pragmatic as Obama would allow himself to be stuck in a fantasy world where the Republicans are good faith compromisers. When did Obama awake from his stupor? It's almost 2013 and I haven't seen him call their bluff yet.

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Response to rudycantfail (Reply #62)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:14 PM

66. Indeed. It's not 100% that he's going to call their bluff.

But now it's the supposed liberals saying that Obama should reach across the isle.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #66)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:33 PM

68. Above you say that he is no longer naive

 

meaning that he was naive for some or all of this time up until now. I just disagreed and you agreed with that too.

It's not as if Obama wants to hear what "the supposed liberals" have to say anyway. And who are these liberals you keep referring to?

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Response to rudycantfail (Reply #68)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:05 PM

69. I have to leave room for error.

If he does compromise then it will be the worse political move in history. It will be unforgivable. One can no longer be naive and still compromise. So I can't say that Obama, after having learned his lesson, won't compromise. He might still do it. Thus it's not 100%. It would be an epic fail if he does though.

Glenn Greenwald was the supposed liberal who said that Obama should work with the Republicans and that they would work with him.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #69)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:41 PM

70. First, I'm pretty sure Glenn Greenwald is a libertarian.

 

Second, he speaks for himself and not for "the liberals".

Finally, why do you keep trying to shoehorn him into this thread? This is about the President and what he's going to do or not do. Insisiting on injecting Glenn Greenwald into this thread, someone of no consequence to the president's decisions, is odd. Isn't there an anti-Greenwald thread out there you can inhabit?

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Response to rudycantfail (Reply #70)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:52 PM

71. Well, there are many here who agree with his position.

While having bashed Obama for having that same position for the past 4 years.

That is, Obama was "reach across the isle" for the past 4 years.

Now Glenn Greenwald bashed him the entire time for that.

Now he's backpeddling and say to reach across the isle.

It's crazy land.

If you disagree with his position then great, but Obama should not do shit here, it's clear what needs to be done, and it sounds like the President is going to do just that (let the tax cuts expire, then demand a cut for the middle class).

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Response to dreamnightwind (Reply #28)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:04 AM

46. Problem solved!

Raise the $250,000. to $1,000.000.

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Response to CindyinIndy (Reply #46)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:27 PM

54. Not much of a solution

$1 million is the limit on deductible cash-based executive compensation. On a corporate tax return (I am posting from a phone so can't provide a link, but googling 'corporate tax return form' will get you one) there are two places for worker compensation, one for the rank and file, the other for executives. They can only deduct $1 million of an executive's pay, so very rarely will an executive earn more than $1 million cash.

Moving the top bracket to $1 million would affect entertainers, athletes and a few professionals, but not the folks we want to really go after, like Trump? Is it right to tax Jimmie Johnson the stock car driver higher than Donald Trump? Jimmie Johnson has a job that killed four people in 2000 and 2001; the only way Trump dies at work is if the thing on his head eats him.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 12:56 AM

22. KICK

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:00 AM

23. For God's sake, The R's are authoritarian, they only respond to authority figures, NOT

compromisers.

I hope Obama has learned at least that.

They crave to be told what to do and punished for their misdeeds.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #23)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:29 AM

78. "Fasten your seatbelts. It's going to be a bumpy night."

This group of Rs doesn't respond to anything other than getting what they want. It will get ugly, very ugly, in the face of a Demorat taking a hard stance. We should brace ourselves. I think Obama is ready to take a hard stance. Well, he's already said it.

It's like when you meet a mugger in a dark ally. You give him your wallet, if you want a chance to live. If you take a hard stance, the mugger gets really pissed, and you're likely to get shot.

There's no winning against someone who's hell bent on getting what he wants and doesn't care about the consequences.

I'm prepared. We can't succumb to blackmail and hostage taking. It only encourages more.

In the famous words of Bette Davis, "Fasten your seatbelts. It's going to be a bumpy night."

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:11 AM

26. When they ask for compromise just quote Hermain Cainstein

NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 01:28 AM

27. not an inch. I don't recall Dick Cheney making deals with us. mandate baby mandate.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:51 AM

35. Bitch slap em all

 

and expose their every move to the American people!

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:14 AM

37. Does the president read Paul Kraugman ?

I heard he reads andrew sullivan but he should read paul more if he doesn't , nothing but the truth comes out from his head

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Response to outsideworld (Reply #37)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:41 PM

57. That's very sad if true

I saw Sullivan on the tube after the election saying Obama is a wonderful (my word) moderate Republican (his words). He loves him some Obama. I hadn't heard that Obama reads his stuff.

If Obama reads Krugman, he sure doesn't seem to agree with much of what Krugman says. One can hope, though.

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Response to dreamnightwind (Reply #57)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:00 AM

73. He totally should , paul is someone he should probably appoint or make an adviser

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:26 AM

38. Time for Mr. Obama to act like a president. A Democratic president.

In the third presidential debate he stated that the sequestration cuts to defense spending mandated by the Budget Control Act "will not happen."

And another debate gem, referring to himself and Mr. Romney: "I suspect that on Social Security, we've got a somewhat similar position."

He also appointed Erskine Bowles as the lead "Democrat" on the super committee.

Mr. Obama needs to think about whose interests he is really going to represent.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:03 AM

39. I agree 100% with Paul and I think if anyone knows what they are talking about it would be him.

I've thought so for a while and after Boner made his recent comments, I knew he was going to remain obstructionist, So I say, No deals, lets go over the so-called "cliff."

It sort of reminds me of a fake clip they show in the movie "Airplane" of Point/counter point where the guy says, "I say, let 'em crash."

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:03 AM

41. Obama is done politically

he will never stand for election to any office again. Poll #s should not be a worry. The concern is about being effective for the next 4 years. He does not get to effective by cutting a deal with hostage takers at this point. He should be willing to sign a middle class tax cut, but only if all the other Bush tax cuts are expired and off the table. Draw a line in the sand and make the republicans cross it, and if they don't back down, clean out the house in 2014.

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Response to quaker bill (Reply #41)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:24 PM

56. I think it was Barney Frank who said last night that, if not for extreme Gerrymandering

on the part of the ReThuglicans, we would have a Democratic House right now.

Btw, we did pick up seats in both houses too.

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Response to Up2Late (Reply #56)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:17 AM

76. Likely true

but this election was bad enough for the Rs that some Rs lost in gerrymandered districts. Allen West is an example. Here locally the designated FL house majority leader appears to have lost by a handful of votes, against a political newcomer, in a district he drew for himself, ,hich is R+25% voter registration in a county that Obama lost (more narrowly than usual) and which had not elected a Dem to public office since Jimmy Carter.

If the guys in our party are paying attention, it would appear that going to populist messaging and policy is a formula that can run conservative Rs out of town in a great many more places that they might have expected going in.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:44 AM

43. kick nt

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:51 AM

44. There's a problem with this, they wont have any demands all they need

to do is sit on their hands, we may have won the office but were still hostage to the house.

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #44)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:39 AM

48. yes they have demands

along with the whole media, they are demanding legislation to avoid the "fiscal cliff". If you watch any TV, you will hear that there is no choice other than to enact such legislation. Krugman is arguing against this conventional wisdom.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #48)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:47 AM

49. I

 

agree with Krugman. The people who elected President Obama to a second term elected him because of his promises. The President needs to just let the Bush taxcuts expire. If he don't, then the GOP will call victory and make Obama look weak. This election is not over. We did not elect Mott Romney's Policies and that needs to be made clear to Boehner. I hope when Obama comes out for his Press conference, it is an ultimatum for the GOP. They can cry all they want.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:40 AM

45. gop tactics have been discredited. More importantly, gop policies have been

discredited. No need to embrace them just in the interest of compromise.

It is imperative that the country pursue policies that flow naturally from truth, honesty, research, economic science, physical science, long held social sciences, long established civil rights, enlightened world views, and egalitarian principles. We owe it to ourselves and the world.

What gop ideas have merit? Why bolster their failed and immoral policies by incorporating them into deals? The only reason I can think of is in response to more gop hostage-taking of the economy and people who need help. And this tactic NEEDS TO BE FURTHER AND PROACTIVELY CONDEMNED, DISCREDITED, RIDICULED, AND ISOLATED starting now.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:32 AM

47. anybody

 

listening to this clown Boehner right now. He is pushing Mitt Romney's platform and targeting only entitlements. Then he he throws it on the President must lead. Let the Bush Taxcuts expire period. I'll repeat this, the same old stuff from these Republican clowns. It is time to play hard ball with these idiots.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:19 PM

50. Just watched Andrea Mitchell

... and all I was hearing was "grand bargain, grand bargain". I have a sick feeling in my stomach about this...

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 02:20 PM

51. Krugman should have a job in this administration...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #51)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:09 PM

53. Yes, he should. Not because of his political inclinations, but because he deals in reality.

The results of the election should be a sharp reminder that you can't create your own reality.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:05 PM

52. we need to pressure Obama! eom

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 03:29 PM

55. The answer is obvious

No.

Don't return their calls.

Don't allow them in any meetings.

Vote No on every bill they submit.

When needed, veto any bill they sponsor.

Don't assert that you are open to bipartisanship.

Ignore them as if they don't even exist.

In the House, fight every earmark for Republican districts.

Marginalize every single last one of them in the Senate.

They were intransigent for four years. This Obama administration should redefine intransigence.

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Response to matt819 (Reply #55)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:33 AM

79. No. That's not running the government. That's juvenile. There's something

in between capitulating to hostage demands and throwing a temper tantrum.

It's called governing in the face of extreme obstructionism. Obama tried to reason with them the first four years. Now it's time for hardball. But that doesn't mean not taking care of business.

There are some things that can be done. Willing to let the chips fall where they may in some instances, if it doesn't hurt the average American too much. Executive Orders. Taking it to the people (I don't have much faith in that one...the Republican sheeples won't demand their leaders do anything). Certain kinds of pressure on a few key Republicans.

Hopefully Boehner will be able to control the tea partiers better this time around.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:41 PM

58. I gotta agree with Krugman. All the compromising in the world did not get

him out of square one. So if he's gonna have an uphill battle anyway, he should reach for the strongest positions he can, not the weakest and most watered down that will be filibustered or not voted for anyway. My hope is that Harry Reid changes the filibuster rules like he said he would so that the obstructionism becomes irrelevant.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:44 PM

59. He should stop reading Lincoln biographies and instead

start reading some LBJ books and how he dealt with members of Congress.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:46 PM

60. Never!!!

You are doing a great job without them - screw them they are heading off a cliff anyway. Do you want to be aboard when they do Mr. President? Stick with what you are doing, they never wanted to work with you and quite frankly the country is doing better without them.

NONE.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:49 PM

61. Sorry Paul: Too Late

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014297944

Second verse, same as the first...

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:09 PM

63. Impossible to compromise with people who are delusional all the time. nt

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:48 PM

64. Why isn't this man the White House economic adviser?

I have been asking that question since 2008.

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Response to DebbieCDC (Reply #64)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:50 PM

65. I always thought he should have Geithner's job.

Now that he's quitting, why not Krugman?

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:26 PM

67. DO NOT NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS!

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:09 AM

72. Agreed. First priority is Americans, not Republicans. n/t

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:13 AM

74. Not one inch

He caved too much in his first term; consequently, he looked like a DINO too many times.

Rethugs NEVER EVER accommodate us, and more often seek to destroy everything we've done. Now it's payback time.

MANDATE!

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 06:44 AM

75. If McConnell and Boehner cooperate, they should have their

cigarette and whiskey rations doubled. If they don't cooperate, their rations should be halved each day until they do cooperate.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:04 AM

80. Repond with a recent classic line

President Obama should reply to the Speaker just like he did to Mr. Romney during the second debate, "...., please proceed."

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 10:36 AM

81. Time to stand up for the 99 percent,

as promised during the election.

No more Grand Bargain, ever again.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 10:03 PM

83. R-130 (nt)

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